18 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

harden plays 36 mpg...idk where maxey getting 25. idk...we'll see, i guess. i do like maxey. 

I thru a number out there but guess my point was you treat him like Lou Williams or Jordan Clarkson. Go get buckets, don't care what else he does for the 2nd unit.

Could he play with Harden, sure. Daniel House is a similar plauers and is shooting 20% from 3 last year and 36% the year before. 

I would want him running the 2nd unit until his 3 point shot is a tad higher. 

reading that simmons + mattise works due to trade exception. 

 

that's a lot of defense heading out....but harden gets buckets. 

2 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

You can't win with this, period. Like how does anyone defend this? He not only didn't shoot it, but he picked up his dribble. Middle school level crap. 

Kelly was standing at the FT line so his ability to drive by guys is zero when, guys wont guard him on the perimeter. Ben looks all worldly in the regular season because of the opportunities for fast break points. Those disappear in the playoffs and left with this below. 

 

that is one play, coming off an injury, early in the season, where he had probably his worst game of his career.  that is not how i would sum up ben's career.

the thing i keep seeing is people trash ben, but then want to use him to trade for ONE OF THE BEST players in the nba...  along with the other team WANTING ben.  you can't have both.  if ben is trash or as bad as some philly fans make him out to be, he wouldn't be so routinely brought up in trade talks for top players in the league.

 

a clean shaven harden spotted wearing sixers' gear!

 

Spoiler

 

 

1 minute ago, JayEcho said:

that is one play, coming off an injury, early in the season, where he had probably his worst game of his career.  that is not how i would sum up ben's career.

the thing i keep seeing is people trash ben, but then want to use him to trade for ONE OF THE BEST players in the nba...  along with the other team WANTING ben.  you can't have both.  if ben is trash or as bad as some philly fans make him out to be, he wouldn't be so routinely brought up in trade talks for top players in the league.

You're misunderstanding the point most of us keep making. Ben isn't trash -- he's a very good player, but a player with a glaring weakness -- shooting. That weakness is magnified on a team where the best player is a dominant post presence who needs spacing to operate. Ben is a horrible fit with Embiid due to his lack of shooting, and we see this in the playoffs when teams basically don't guard Ben at all outside. If Ben were on a team of shooters, he'd be much more effective. 

If you want to maximize Embiid's prime, you need to move Ben. They don't fit.

2 minutes ago, JayEcho said:

that is one play, coming off an injury, early in the season, where he had probably his worst game of his career.  that is not how i would sum up ben's career.

the thing i keep seeing is people trash ben, but then want to use him to trade for ONE OF THE BEST players in the nba...  along with the other team WANTING ben.  you can't have both.  if ben is trash or as bad as some philly fans make him out to be, he wouldn't be so routinely brought up in trade talks for top players in the league.

That play perfectly sums up his career IN YEAR FOUR. 

Ben isn't trash, he just doesn't care about the game of basketball and gives the Sixers zero shot of winning a title. I have said in the last few weeks, just shoot the Fing ball. He just refuses, his time has come to be someone elses headache. Maybe a market like Houston where no one will care he will flourish, but not in Philly. 

1 minute ago, vikas83 said:

You're misunderstanding the point most of us keep making. Ben isn't trash -- he's a very good player, but a player with a glaring weakness -- shooting. That weakness is magnified on a team where the best player is a dominant post presence who needs spacing to operate. Ben is a horrible fit with Embiid due to his lack of shooting, and we see this in the playoffs when teams basically don't guard Ben at all outside. If Ben were on a team of shooters, he'd be much more effective. 

If you want to maximize Embiid's prime, you need to move Ben. They don't fit.

...and what i'll throw at that is the ONE year where ben and joel were surrounded by shooters, the sixers had one of the best if not the best starting 5's in the league (at the time).  what did us in was our bench.  that is not the case this year (or looks like it isn't as far as early looks go).

1 minute ago, JayEcho said:

...and what i'll throw at that is the ONE year where ben and joel were surrounded by shooters, the sixers had one of the best if not the best starting 5's in the league (at the time).  what did us in was our bench.  that is not the case this year (or looks like it isn't as far as early looks go).

If you're talking about the year they lost to the Raptors, that team also had Butler to handle the rock in crunch time.

The year before they lost in the 2nd round to a depleted Celtics team that basically collapsed the lane and dared Ben to shoot. 

The cap for this pairing is the 2nd round.

2 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

If you're talking about the year they lost to the Raptors, that team also had Butler to handle the rock in crunch time.

The year before they lost in the 2nd round to a depleted Celtics team that basically collapsed the lane and dared Ben to shoot. 

The cap for this pairing is the 2nd round.

that's great, how'd the bench look on those squads?

also talking about this squad:

One Team, One Stat: Philadelphia 76ers had the league's best starting lineup | NBA.com

and i see you failed to mention what i brought up was the key weakness of those squad(s)...  the bench.  i can only imagine how those squad(s) would've done with a bench we have currently.  if green, curry, and tobi continue their trajectory...  along with the bench we currently have, i don't see how the cap is only the second round.

one thing i do know is we have the BEST person to gauge harden...  and that's morey.  i'd be hard pressed to find any other gm in the league to know harden's worth.

if or if he does not pull the trigger will tell us exactly what morey thinks of harden as a player going forward.  even if he wrote him a love letter heading out of houston. 

 

Can simmons, thybulle, mike scott, 8 mill TE, 2 firsts work for harden and tucker?

If they can keep Maxey this is a home run deal 

8 minutes ago, ggs5008 said:

Can simmons, thybulle, mike scott, 8 mill TE, 2 firsts work for harden and tucker?

Per the ESPN trade machine, we need to throw in more salary. Another $1,279,670. We can throw in Bradley or Ferguson.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine

My trade with Ferguson that works:

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y5v7tq7r

54 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

reading that simmons + mattise works due to trade exception. 

 

that's a lot of defense heading out....but harden gets buckets. 

Meh... don't care about defense heading out. There are players available on the free agent market right now who could replace that. 

 

folks  woj saying the nets got harden. 

 

 

We better figure out a way to get Beal.

price must have been too steep. 

 

 

1 hour ago, Khani1 said:

Ben has the most useless triple doubles in league history.  Forget the regular season, Ben is UNPLAYABLE in the playoffs.  How do some people not see this?

Remember when Michael Carter Williams had an NBA debut triple-double? The guy who was working/living in Syracuse at that time remembers

wow...that's not much when you consider the nets picks will be waaay late. the cleveland pick is valuable, but the rest.    

3 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

price must have been too steep. 

Nets better win in the next 2-3 years cause those pick swaps and firsts are going to be nice haul for the rockets down the road. 

1 minute ago, iladelphxx said:

 

 

4 firsts and 4 swaps? WOW. That's ridiculous. It's like the Nets can't learn -- finally past the Billy King damage and they do it again.