40 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I get what everyone is saying about Trae young and harden. They are at the top for drawing fouls that are ridiculous. Frankly the entire league ****es and complains about fouls. I don’t think there’s a game where i haven’t seen guys complaining to the refs after a call. In that bucks/nets series PJ Tucker would literally complain after every foul call even though it was clearly a foul. That’s cause the nba has allowed it to be that way over the years. 

that said embiid also does some of this. I love embiid but yesterday there was an example of it. Coming off a screen, he dribbled doesn’t even attempt a decent shot and the ball gets knocked away from him. He looks at the official right after and asks where’s the foul. he wasn’t even trying to make the basket and just was fishing for a foul. I made the comment in game five or six it’s really irritating at times with embiid being because instead of going up and actually get the basket he’s just trying to get a foul call and overact in trying to do that. 

i'd think most would agree embiid is part of this issue. 

 

at least we all know one thing for sure, ben simmons isn't part of the problem. 

Damn, why is Steph getting hate? Come on guys.

Just now, rambo said:

Embiid is guilty of it, too.  I'm not pinning the whole complain every time on Trae and Harden.  It goes from Lebron down to the 12th guy on the bench.

It really is an nba problem as a whole. They’ve allowed it to come to this point where they allow stars and guys who aren’t even stars to complain about every non call. 

3 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

Baseball is in trouble because of the emphasis on analytics (and on home runs).  It’s either strike outs or home runs now.  I always thought the fun part was watching guys run the bases.  I like the occasional home run too though.  
If you listen to the radio broadcasts every once in a while L.A. will accidentally say how he really feels about it.  Lol

Baseball is in trouble for a lot of reasons. Here's a quick smattering:

1. Analytics -- launch angles, strike outs, etc. as you pointed out. Old school fans like me can't comprehend the inability to advance a runner, lay down a bunt, etc. But also changing pitchers constantly, starters no longer going deep into games (thank you Joe Torre and the 1990s/200s Yankees). There's no flow to the game at all. Back when you had Smoltz vs. Morris, game 7, 2 complete games...that was heaven.

2. Foreign Born Players -- I mean, we aren't supposed to say this outloud, but as more and more of MLB is made up of players from Central and South America, consumers in the USA tend to tune out. Young kids play soccer, basketball, etc. now, not Little League. 

3. The dwindling attention span of modern society -- Baseball is the most cerebral game of the big sports. But it's slow, and it's nuanced. That doesn't work for people used to videos and blurbs in 140 characters of less. 

Just now, Alpha_TATEr said:

i'd think most would agree embiid is part of this issue. 

 

at least we all know one thing for sure, ben simmons isn't past of the problem. 

Gotta respect Ben for that. Only player in the league not complaining about getting fouled. 

2 minutes ago, Paul852 said:

Damn, why is Steph getting hate? Come on guys.

@vikas83 doesn't like being poorer than him.

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

What does it look like for us non Athletic subscribers 

1 minute ago, rambo said:

Embiid is guilty of it, too.  I'm not pinning the whole complain every time on Trae and Harden.  It goes from Lebron down to the 12th guy on the bench.

The whining for calls isn't new -- Jordan did it all the time. Young takes it to another level by openly mocking the refs. But the way the refs call it for small guys (Young, Curry, Harden, etc.) vs. big guys (Embiid, LeBron, etc.) is just ridiculous. It used to just be Shaq that couldn't get a call. Now anyone with a physique has a different set of rules. 

It's pretty clear the NBA has favorites, and they gets calls. Full stop. 

2 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Baseball is in trouble for a lot of reasons. Here's a quick smattering:

1. Analytics -- launch angles, strike outs, etc. as you pointed out. Old school fans like me can't comprehend the inability to advance a runner, lay down a bunt, etc. But also changing pitchers constantly, starters no longer going deep into games (thank you Joe Torre and the 1990s/200s Yankees). There's no flow to the game at all. Back when you had Smoltz vs. Morris, game 7, 2 complete games...that was heaven.

2. Foreign Born Players -- I mean, we aren't supposed to say this outloud, but as more and more of MLB is made up of players from Central and South America, consumers in the USA tend to tune out. Young kids play soccer, basketball, etc. now, not Little League. 

3. The dwindling attention span of modern society -- Baseball is the most cerebral game of the big sports. But it's slow, and it's nuanced. That doesn't work for people used to videos and blurbs in 140 characters of less. 

I think baseball’s marketing sucks. Like Fernando tatis is an amazing player to watch. And baseball like with trout has done an awful job marketing their superstars. 

your second point i think has validity but i still think if you have exciting young players in the game and marketed them better most fans wouldn’t care as much where they were from. Otani isn’t from here but people love watching him hit and pitch. If MLB marketed him better i think he’d be even bigger than what he is now.  

3 minutes ago, Paul852 said:

Damn, why is Steph getting hate? Come on guys.

He's a great player. He's not as great as the media makes him out to be. He's a hall of famer, sure. But anyone who claims he is the greatest PG of all-time needs their head examined. And he is on the cutting edge of representing this change in the game that has been taken to another level of insanity by people like Young.

He's the John the Baptist of the downfall of basketball. 

2 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

What does it look like for us non Athletic subscribers 

Can we post full articles from the athletic on here since we aren’t affiliated with the eagles organization anymore? I know we couldn’t in the past if it was paid content. If we are I’d just post it cause it’s a longer article 

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Can we post full articles from the athletic on here since we aren’t affiliated with the eagles organization anymore? I know we couldn’t in the past if it was paid content. If we are I’d just post it cause it’s a longer article 

Shoot me a message of it

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I think baseball’s marketing sucks. Like Fernando tatis is an amazing player to watch. And baseball like with trout has done an awful job marketing their superstars. 

your second point i think has validity but i still think if you have exciting young players in the game and marketed them better most fans wouldn’t care as much where they were from. Otani isn’t from here but people love watching him hit and pitch. If MLB marketed him better i think he’d be even bigger than what he is now.  

Great point. I wonder how much of this is blowback from the steroid era. MLB had egg on their face about McGwire and Sosa, but baseball was white hot in 1998 during that time. Maybe they are afraid to get behind guys again.

10 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Baseball is in trouble for a lot of reasons. Here's a quick smattering:

1. Analytics -- launch angles, strike outs, etc. as you pointed out. Old school fans like me can't comprehend the inability to advance a runner, lay down a bunt, etc. But also changing pitchers constantly, starters no longer going deep into games (thank you Joe Torre and the 1990s/200s Yankees). There's no flow to the game at all. Back when you had Smoltz vs. Morris, game 7, 2 complete games...that was heaven.

2. Foreign Born Players -- I mean, we aren't supposed to say this outloud, but as more and more of MLB is made up of players from Central and South America, consumers in the USA tend to tune out. Young kids play soccer, basketball, etc. now, not Little League. 

3. The dwindling attention span of modern society -- Baseball is the most cerebral game of the big sports. But it's slow, and it's nuanced. That doesn't work for people used to videos and blurbs in 140 characters of less. 

Pretty impressed with this post.  I figured you were a cricket guy.

  

1 minute ago, vikas83 said:

Great point. I wonder how much of this is blowback from the steroid era. MLB had egg on their face about McGwire and Sosa, but baseball was white hot in 1998 during that time. Maybe they are afraid to get behind guys again.

LET THEM JUICE! Or take TRT 

4 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

Shoot me a message of it

Sent you it 

4 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Great point. I wonder how much of this is blowback from the steroid era. MLB had egg on their face about McGwire and Sosa, but baseball was white hot in 1998 during that time. Maybe they are afraid to get behind guys again.

I used to be a big hockey fan until the 04-05 lockout.  Lost interest and never really got back into it.

7 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

Pretty impressed with this post.  I figured you were a cricket guy.

  

Baseball was my favorite sport as a kid -- it was the only one I could play (not a lot of Indian kids big enough for basketball or football). My dad's company had season tickets to the Phillies and couldn't give them away, so we always went to like 15+ games a year in the 1980s. Mike Schmidt was my first sports hero because I got his autograph as a little kid. Even in the 1990s and 2000s, I would never miss the baseball playoffs. Watching Maddux or Glavine against that Yankees lineup, or the 2004 ALCS, it was awesome. 

In recent years it just holds less interest. Watching guys swinging for the fences in a tied game, bottom of the 9th, no outs,  with a guy on second -- it's just infuriating. Plus, the games take forever, I have no clue who the 7th pitcher into the game is, etc. 

It doesn't help that the Phillies are the most infuriating team to watch.

10 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Can we post full articles from the athletic on here since we aren’t affiliated with the eagles organization anymore? I know we couldn’t in the past if it was paid content. If we are I’d just post it cause it’s a longer article 

a summary would work. 

 

12 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

a summary would work. 

 

Talks about other options like McCollum but says he’s really not worth what he’s getting paid at his age. Then really makes the point the bulls and sixers make sense as trade partners to do a Lavine-Simmons swap and it would help both teams long term with the rosters constructed. Then says however some of the trades that make the most sense are the hardest to get done based off his time in Memphis.  

If we are making a deal with the bulls i present them this deal. Markkanen wants out and Lavine could very well just leave after next year. Probably have to include a first rounder to get this done. But I’d do it. Gives you a stretch 4 and Lavine who can score the basketball. You could then also move Maxey into the starting PG spot and curry off the bench. Go with a starting lineup of maxey, Lavine, green (id re-sign him), Harris and embiid with curry, thybulle and markkanen as your top guys off the bench. Try to find a backup point guard with the MLE and use horford’s trade exception to try and bring in another wing or big. 

 

So we sign shaq to a ten day contract 

 

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

So we sign shaq to a ten day contract 

 

Cute, coming from the guy that never improved his FTs or even developed a shot either.