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**Official Philadelphia 76ers Thread 2022/2023 Regular Season*

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Here is a rundown of the nine teams sportsbetting.ag listed in their Ben Simmons trade odds, and who could be a Sixer next season from each:

Portland Trail Blazers +200

Damian Lillard is the No. 1 guy who comes to mind here and a one-for-one swap works exactly, as their salaries match. If the Sixers throw in some first-round picks, maybe they can pull this one off? Lillard has been rumored to have a desire to get out of Portland after their failure to build a contender around him. Imagine Dame and JoJo running pick-and-rolls next season? 

It's probably doubtful however, as Lillard is the franchise guy and they may be able to please Lillard by trading C.J. McCollum instead to pair Simmons with Lillard in Portland. McCollum's salary also matches with Simmons' and Kevin O'Conner at The Ringer already has speculated about this swap:

 

 

McCollum for Simmons as the main piece in a Blazers-Sixers deal is what executives around the league, just like fans, think is a reasonable trade that makes sense for both sides. Simmons could be like a supercharged Draymond Green to Damian Lillard’s Steph Curry. For years, the Warriors have shredded teams because Curry would often draw a trap and pass the ball to Draymond, who could get to the rim or make a clutch pass to a teammate. Simmons would thrive in a role like that since Lillard feels the same type of pressure in the pick-and-roll.

McCollum, in turn, would help the Sixers. Any player who can create their own shot at a high level would. But it’s not a no-brainer deal. McCollum is 29, and he has underperformed in past postseasons. A backcourt of McCollum and Seth Curry would also make for a weak defensive duo. Blazers fans have just about had it with McCollum, just as Sixers fans have with Simmons. But they could each drag their problems to a new team too.  [The Ringer]

 

Washington Wizards +300

If you can't beat them, join them? The Wizards are listed with the second best odds of trading for Simmons and Washington surely proved it was a defensively challenged team in their first-round loss to Philly. Russell Westbrook and Bradley Beal are really the two most appealing options. For Westbrook, the Sixers would need to throw in a Seth Curry or a handful of bench guys to get the money to work. And if it did, would the Sixers even want the triple-double machine, who will turn 33 in November?

Here's an interesting take on that potential trade from the Washington perspective, via Kevin Broom at SB Nation:

 

Ultimately, if it was a true one-for-one swap, I’d...still not be sure. At this moment, I lean towards making the trade and then hiring the best sports psychologist I could find to work with Simmons. It’d be a $140+ million gamble over the next four seasons, and backfire and make the team worse. When I think about it again later, I might change my mind.

I mean, he consumes too much of the cap to spend the playoffs standing in the dunker spot. But he also has so many skills that it’s easy to imagine him overcoming his mental block and becoming a great player.

It’s almost certainly little more than something for fans to chew on, however. The Wizards value Westbrook’s leadership and work ethic and believe he’s changing the team’s culture and helping build winning habits. It seems farfetched they’d trade someone as uber-confident as Westbrook for someone as timid as Simmons has been in his team’s biggest moments. [SB Nation]

 

The other Washington option is more appealing for Philly but may be hard to pull off after Beal nearly led the NBA in scoring this past year. Still, the salaries match up perfectly and perhaps throwing in a few draft picks could get the deal over the hump.

San Antonio Spurs +400

I guess in theory, the Spurs and Greg Popovich would love Simmons' defense. Salary-cap wise, DeMar DeRozan is the only guy who'd work in a straight up swap. He's 31 and still has a lot left in the tank and might actually work in Philly. DeRozan is a four-time All-Star and two-time All-NBA player and while Sixers fans may feel short-changed, with Simmons' low stock it might be a sleeper-good deal for them.

Utah Jazz +500

The Jazz don't have a simple offer to consider, but they would most definitely be interested in pairing Rudy Gobert with Simmons to form a defensive juggernaut. The first player in a one-for-one swap who comes to mind is Mike Conley, but the 32-year-old point guard is on an expiring contract. His departure will open up some cap space for Utah, making a trade for a lesser contract possible, perhaps for Bojan Bogdanović or for Jordan Clarkson — but they might be better passing on this one.

 

Oklahoma City Thunder +550

Now here's an interesting possibility. The Thunder just traded for Kemba Walker — and his salary is pretty close to Simmons'. The Walker trade straight up might work, if they think having Walker's scoring would put them over the top and help solidify the point guard position. 

 

However, Oklahoma City is rebuilding, has some cap space, and it might be possible for them to snag a young player on a rookie deal, like Shai Gilgeous-Alexander. The Thunder might be willing to do either deal if a first-round pick is involved, as they continue to try and pursue a Process of their own.

 

Golden State Warriors +600

The Warriors will not be parting with Klay Thompson or Step Curry this offseason, as they should be a contender again in 2022 with the splash brothers back together and healthy. The options from Golden State aren't super appealing, as The Athletic's Marcus Thompson II lays out:

 

But the Sixers still could put together a package good enough for C.J. McCollum. Or Zach LaVine. Or Terry Rozier. Or John Wall. Any of them, or a number of other options, could be better than what the Warriors would feasibly offer: Wiggins. The Sixers wouldn’t have use for James Wiseman with Embiid already manning the middle. And it’s highly unlikely the Warriors give up their Minnesota pick if they get it. Not for Simmons. So that leaves Wiggins and their own late lottery pick at most. 
Even with Simmons being at a career-low value, the 76ers should be able to get more.  [The Athletic]

 

 

Los Angeles Lakers +650

It is no secret that LeBron James and Simmons are pretty close. They work out all offseason in L.A. and have the same agency. But a trade with the Lakers isn't particularly appealing from the Sixers side.

 

Financially, there are few pathways to matching the $33 million Simmons is owed for 2021-22—the second of a four-year, $177 million deal. Los Angeles could package their offensive scapegoat, 25-year-old Kyle Kuzma ($13 million in 2021-22), along with Caldwell-Pope ($12 million) and Montrezl Harrell (should he pick up his $9.7 million player option and agree to the trade), plus the no. 22 overall pick in the upcoming draft (roughly $2.4 million).

They could explore trickier but doable sign-and-trade scenarios involving Dennis Schroder (likely to earn around $20-$25 million this summer) or Horton-Tucker, their 20-year restricted free agent that could receive a "poison-pill” contract under the Gilbert Arenas provision that pays him $9 million in 2021-22, then hefty sums in later years. Because both players are free agents, they would need to approve a sign-and-trade.

The Lakers can offer their 2027 first-round pick, second-round picks, and first-round trade swaps down the road to sweeten the deal. Marc Gasol is on the books for $2.7 million, should they need him to match salaries.  [Clutch Points]

 

Any of that sound good to you?

Cleveland Cavaliers +700

Like the Lakers, the Cavs don't have a great superstar to offer Philly, so this would really be a last resort if they are trying to get rid of Simmons. Here's one potential offer that would work salary-wise, from SB Nation:

 

The most I’d offer to probably Love, Sexton and a pick or two. Simmons’ value has never been lower, so overpaying would be a mistake. Simmons is a star talent, and worth a bet. But he’s not bulletproof. There’s some risk on the Cavs’ part if they were able to do this. But it’s worth at least exploring, even if I don’t think a Simmons-to-Cavs deal is all that realistic. What the Cavs can offer just isn’t quite what the 76ers need to get back for Simmons to maximize Joel Embiid’s prime.  [SB Nation]

Houston Rockets +1000

And finally we have another Processing team in Houston. The only real player who makes sense here is John Wall who is on a max deal himself — though if the Sixers could find a way to get Eric Gordon it might help their shooting even more. Here's a snippet from FanSided's Rockets blog:

 

Houston could package some players along with picks to sweeten the deal for the Sixers. It’d be smart to include John Wall in a deal with the Sixers point forward, as Philly could benefit from his services. Wall still provides exceptional playmaking ability like Simmons, except that he shoots it considerably better.

The Rockets will likely have to involve the 30-year-old guard in this transaction for financial and logistical reasons also. Wall doesn’t fit Houston’s timeline as an organization, and offloading his contract would be a big weight off their shoulders. They’d inherit Simmon’s massive deal in return, but they still have time to mold him into the player they want. At 24-years-old, Simmons’ NBA career is only getting started.  [Fansided]

 

The options we've explored here are by no means the only ones. There are plenty of other teams out there who may be interested in Simmons this offseason. However, the sportsbooks always seem to know something we don't, and if they are onto something, the above players may have the best chances of being Sixers when the 2021-22 season tips off.

 

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8 hours ago, DaEagles4Life said:

 

 

That was fantastic :lol: 

What a deep draft and even at pick 28 I think you can get a quality basketball player, if they don't trade the pick with Simmons. 

Tre Mann, Ayo Dosunmu, Greg Brown, Jaden Springer, Trey Murphy are all guys that will be picked around 20 to 30

[Kevin McCormick] Brian Windhorst said on ESPN today that Ben Simmons still has value and if the Sixers decided to gauge his market there would be "more than a dozen" offers for him.

3 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

[Kevin McCormick] Brian Windhorst said on ESPN today that Ben Simmons still has value and if the Sixers decided to gauge his market there would be "more than a dozen" offers for him.

I absolutely believe it and his value will only increase as we get further away from Sunday. 

Dream trade is Garland, Love, #3 pick for Simmons, 1st rounder, Shake, 2022 1st rounder. 

Willing to throw in Maxey if have too. 

Or

Dejounte Murray, sign DeRozen to an extension, 2021 1st, for Simmons, 2021 1st, Hill

 

10 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said:

 

And yet continues to shoot his (rare) jumpers and free throws left handed. 

1 hour ago, mr_hunt said:

hasn't asked out yet.  and if...big IF....he does....what are the odds he'll want to play in philly?  

If he wants out it's to go win a championship. What teams are the contenders?

West

Lakers - They have Kuzma and???

Clippers - Straight swap for George? Not likely 

Jazz - Mitchell for Lillard?

Mavs - Porzingas is probably their best piece they can move but doesn't move the needle

Nuggets - Porter Jr and Murray. I don't know if they want Murray coming off a long term injury or they're willing to trade him to a western conference team

Grizz - Not close enough to a title and I don't know if they would do it based around what they can send and the fit with Ja

Warriors - Probably have the ammo to make a move but not going to work with a Curry/Klay backcourt. 

Nets - No way they could do this trade even if they got rid of Kyrie

Bucks - Doubt they make the move

Knicks - Probably not close enough to competing and their young guys aren't established enough to bring enough value in a trade

Hawks - Similar situation to the Grizz but swap Ja with Young

Heat - They're young guys that had value last offseason regressed but this might be the spot. They have some moveable pieces depending what they do with Oladipo. They also made the Whiteside trade so their FO's can get a deal done

Celtics - Brown would be the best piece. He is coming off his first all-star game and they also moved Kemba which creates a need at the guard spot. They will be the team to try and match in a bidding war. I'm not sure if Lillard and Tatum win you a title though. 

Wizards - Not happening, especially with Beal/Westbrook

Pacers - Not close enough to a title and with what they have to give up to get him there he may as well stay in Portland.

Looking at that list, if he leaves it's probably between the Nuggets, Sixers, Heat and Celtics. His best shot at a title is probably with either Embiid or Jokic. 

It also depends if Portland would want to go full rebuild or get a star back AND young talent. The picks are worthless if he is going to a contender. 

1 hour ago, mr_hunt said:

hasn't asked out yet.  and if...big IF....he does....what are the odds he'll want to play in philly?  

I think Lillard would want to play here cause of embiid. I don’t really think that’s the issue. The issue is Portland likely hires a coach he wants and he likely gives Portland another chance for at least another season. So the issue is more Portland isn’t likely to trade him for that package and in general he’s likely staying for at least another year. 

portland will do whatever it takes to make lillard happy & keep him there. sure, you inquire about him...but there's been nothing reported that indicates portland looking to trade him...or him asking to be traded. 

 

49 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

Dream trade is Garland, Love, #3 pick for Simmons, 1st rounder, Shake, 2022 1st rounder. 

Willing to throw in Maxey if have too. 

Or

Dejounte Murray, sign DeRozen to an extension, 2021 1st, for Simmons, 2021 1st, Hill

I’ll take the Cleveland trade over the Spurs. I don’t love Kevin love but i love garland a lot. I think he has tremendous upside. I think he’s a better shooter than murray already and can continue to improve. I understand you also sign derozan but i think that #3 overall pick has a ton of value in if you draft someone there or use it to make a deal to bring in another very good player. 

1 minute ago, mr_hunt said:

portland will do whatever it takes to make lillard happy & keep him there. sure, you inquire about him...but there's been nothing reported that indicates portland looking to trade him...or him asking to be traded. 

 

Was an article around March time frame from the Athletic that had rumblings. I can't seem to find it now 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’ll take the Cleveland trade over the Spurs. I don’t love Kevin love but i love garland a lot. I think he has tremendous upside. I think he’s a better shooter than murray already and can continue to improve. I understand you also sign derozan but i think that #3 overall pick has a ton of value in if you draft someone there or use it to make a deal to bring in another very good player. 

Jalen Green has a chance to be LaVine/Booker. Might take him a bit of time though. Where Suggs reminds me of Deron Williams type

1 hour ago, mr_hunt said:

[Kevin McCormick] Brian Windhorst said on ESPN today that Ben Simmons still has value and if the Sixers decided to gauge his market there would be "more than a dozen" offers for him.

I think he has value. The issue is more how high is the value. I’m guessing those teams would make offers but i think most of those offers are likely not putting you over the top as a true title contender. And there in lies the problem with embiid having limited amount of years left 

i've read great things about green. i just think morey is trying to win now while embiid is still in his prime.  i think he'll be looking for vets who can make an immediate impact. 

4 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

Was an article around March time frame from the Athletic that had rumblings. I can't seem to find it now 

[Trail Blazers GM Neil] Olshey has given rival teams no indication that he’s willing to trade Lillard. Lillard and his agent, Aaron Goodwin, could easily change that tone, though. A person close to Lillard told CNBC that he’s expected to wait to see what the Blazers do this off-season before deciding his future.

 

When a rebuild occurs, a team loses leverage in negotiating corporate partnerships. The Blazers will be navigating a new regional sports network partner, moving from NBC Sports Northwest to AT&T’s Root Sports. Distribution issues have been a concern for the team for years and has cost it audience reach. But entering a new local TV deal with no superstar isn’t ideal.

Lillard is a huge financial draw, and losing him could be devastating. There would likely be fewer nationally televised games. It’s here the team’s jersey patch asset could take a hit because less exposure makes that advertising real estate less attractive.

1 minute ago, DaEagles4Life said:

Jalen Green has a chance to be LaVine/Booker. Might take him a bit of time though. Where Suggs reminds me of Deron Williams type

I’d love either one. And usually I’d say draft one and let garland and green grow together cause that could be a scary backcourt for years if developed right.

However i don’t think the sixers would use that 3rd overall pick to draft someone but as an asset cause they are in win now mode with embiid being on a limited timeframe. If Embiid didn’t have the injuries he had and a longer career i think a bigger chance the sixers make that selection

2 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

i've read great things about green. i just think morey is trying to win now while embiid is still in his prime.  i think he'll be looking for vets who can make an immediate impact. 

I don't disagree but if Garland fills the Simmons role and don't lose anything else then Green can take a year. He also played in the G League last year against grown men instead of college so that might help. 

1 minute ago, mr_hunt said:

[Trail Blazers GM Neil] Olshey has given rival teams no indication that he’s willing to trade Lillard. Lillard and his agent, Aaron Goodwin, could easily change that tone, though. A person close to Lillard told CNBC that he’s expected to wait to see what the Blazers do this off-season before deciding his future.

 

When a rebuild occurs, a team loses leverage in negotiating corporate partnerships. The Blazers will be navigating a new regional sports network partner, moving from NBC Sports Northwest to AT&T’s Root Sports. Distribution issues have been a concern for the team for years and has cost it audience reach. But entering a new local TV deal with no superstar isn’t ideal.

Lillard is a huge financial draw, and losing him could be devastating. There would likely be fewer nationally televised games. It’s here the team’s jersey patch asset could take a hit because less exposure makes that advertising real estate less attractive.

Are you trying to say watching Ben Simmons have a mental breakdown on national tv isn’t something people want to see?  Lol

2 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

I don't disagree but if Garland fills the Simmons role and don't lose anything else then Green can take a year. He also played in the G League last year against grown men instead of college so that might help. 

It's possible it depends on what morey could get for that 3rd overall selection tbh. 

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

It's possible it depends on what morey could get for that 3rd overall selection tbh. 

If can't get Beal or LaVine, I think Green is the next best option even over productive NBA Vets

 

4 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

If can't get Beal or LaVine, I think Green is the next best option even over productive NBA Vets

 

I don't understand the G-League very well.  If he's on a G-League team, why aren't his rights already owned by an NBA team?

i've seen a few articles suggesting tobi for mccollum...of course, it's all made up bullcrap like all the other trade ideas we're seeing...but i'd say their talent level is similar in that they're both good but not quite all stars.

they're looking to move on from cj & this opens up the sg spot for norm powell, who they just traded for. also helps philly since cj can create & is a better outside shooter. could be a move that helps both teams.  combo guard for combo forward.

then you still look to move ben, of course.  

9 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

I don't understand the G-League very well.  If he's on a G-League team, why aren't his rights already owned by an NBA team?

He was on a team called Ignite, which is basically a handful of high school kids and older vets like Jarrett Jack and Amir Johnson. The are not affiliated with any team and called a developmental team. 

Green signed a 1 year 500k contract to play for them instead of college. 

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