Nate McMillan still doesn't have a signed contract after this year. Who knows a team might be willing to double what the Hawks offer him and he could leave. 

That would be such a ballsy move but kind of cool to see

33 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

tobi & ben for siakam and a sign/traded lowry!  

I think it moved

2 minutes ago, The_Omega said:

I think it moved

I think Kawhi has make Siakam a lot of money and not a big fan of his. He shot 29% from 3 last year and coming off torn labrum 

 

[Dumas] Three days later, there is still a high sense of embarrassment resonating through Sixers HQ in Camden, NJ. The ownership group wants answers and changes. A loss to Mil or Bkn would have been disappointing but acceptable. This was not.

39 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

Kawhi couldn't shoot for crap when he got drafted and Spurs shooting coach turned that all around

Not really accurate.  Kawhi shot 49.3% from the field as a rookie.  His career shooting percentage........................................49.3 %.

Ben Simmons lowest FG% for a season is 54.5 his rookie year, Kawhi's highest FG% for a season is 52.2.

The problem with Ben is not shooting the ball.  You can play 5 on 4 when a guy is afraid to take a shot.  Ben's FGA's per game has decreased every year from 12.3 as a rookie to 10.1 last year.  And he shoots 59% from the line.  Kawhi is 85% from the line.

3 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

[Dumas] Three days later, there is still a high sense of embarrassment resonating through Sixers HQ in Camden, NJ. The ownership group wants answers and changes. A loss to Mil or Bkn would have been disappointing but acceptable. This was not.

I mean if ownership wasn’t a bunch of **** they’d have not caved to the nba and put colangelo in charge who pissed away assets and then let Elton brand with no nba GM experience concoct a roster where they believe horford was the missing piece to spend on. 

also maybe the fire doc and not hired him in the first place. 

4 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

[Dumas] Three days later, there is still a high sense of embarrassment resonating through Sixers HQ in Camden, NJ. The ownership group wants answers and changes. A loss to Mil or Bkn would have been disappointing but acceptable. This was not.

Allowed him to be babies for years and now want answers. 

You gave him the max without him really proving anything. 

1 minute ago, DaEagles4Life said:

Allowed him to be babies for years and now want answers. 

You gave him the max without him really proving anything. 

Ownership is responsible for a bunch of this mess. First caving to the nba with colangelo. Then putting Elton brand in charge and allowing him to put the roster and spend the money he did the previous offseason. On top of all that allow Brett brown to run the draft where they traded bridges for zhaire. Like ownership has a large hand in where they currently sit. 

4 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Not really accurate.  Kawhi shot 49.3% from the field as a rookie.  His career shooting percentage........................................49.3 %.

Ben Simmons lowest FG% for a season is 54.5 his rookie year, Kawhi's highest FG% for a season is 52.2.

The problem with Ben is not shooting the ball.  You can play 5 on 4 when a guy is afraid to take a shot.  Ben's FGA's per game has decreased every year from 12.3 as a rookie to 10.1 last year.  And he shoots 59% from the line.  Kawhi is 85% from the line.

He shot 44% in college and 29% from 3 his 2nd year in college. Spurs and Chip absolutely made a difference and Kawhi put in the work. Not to mention Ben shot layups vs jumpers so hard to compare FG%

Leonard credited the San Antonio Spurs, head coach Gregg Popovich, and assistant Chip Engelland for working on his craft.

"Chip is my guy. He’s a great shooting coach and I was in the gym every day,” 

"First they altered Leonard’s release point, shifting it from a spot over Leonard’s head to one in front of his face . . . Leonard’s effort was well worth it. The new mechanics stuck, and Leonard has been an offensive asset ever since,” wrote Bill Barnwell

 

3 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

He shot 44% in college and 29% from 3 his 2nd year in college. Spurs and Chip absolutely made a difference and Kawhi put in the work

Leonard credited the San Antonio Spurs, head coach Gregg Popovich, and assistant Chip Engelland for working on his craft.

"Chip is my guy. He’s a great shooting coach and I was in the gym every day,” 

"First they altered Leonard’s release point, shifting it from a spot over Leonard’s head to one in front of his face . . . Leonard’s effort was well worth it. The new mechanics stuck, and Leonard has been an offensive asset ever since,” wrote Bill Barnwell

 

But he did not improve his FG% from his rookie year.  

5 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

He shot 44% in college and 29% from 3 his 2nd year in college. Spurs and Chip absolutely made a difference and Kawhi put in the work

Leonard credited the San Antonio Spurs, head coach Gregg Popovich, and assistant Chip Engelland for working on his craft.

"Chip is my guy. He’s a great shooting coach and I was in the gym every day,” 

"First they altered Leonard’s release point, shifting it from a spot over Leonard’s head to one in front of his face . . . Leonard’s effort was well worth it. The new mechanics stuck, and Leonard has been an offensive asset ever since,” wrote Bill Barnwell

 

The difference in this situation is that Kawhi was entering the league at 20 years old, not nearly as heralded and knew if he didn’t develop his shot there was a good chance he wouldn’t have the type of career or longevity without it. I think also his mentality was he wanted to be one of the best players on the floor especially in San Antonio where they had a championship culture.

Ben Simmons is already 24 and it made a ton of money and it’s going to be in the league at least for another 5 to 6 years on his defense alone. so I think his mentality is I don’t need to work on this. His mentality is more I’m good my game and it is what it is. 

if there is anything that could get it out of him it is the San Antonio Spurs but I just don’t think anybody’s ever going to unlock that until he wants to do it. Which might not be until down the road when it’s way too late

It was partially Ben, but not totally Ben.  If either Embiid or Harris had stepped up, we'd have won easily.  Embiid was completely out of sorts in the series, and allowed Atlanta to completely force him out of his game.  Same for Harris.  Then there's the fact that we were dominated by Huerter, Collins and Gallinari.  A star with the unwavering desire to win wouldn't have allowed us to play like the puzzies that we did play like.

1 minute ago, The_Omega said:

It was partially Ben, but not totally Ben.  If either Embiid or Harris had stepped up, we'd have won easily.  Embiid was completely out of sorts in the series, and allowed Atlanta to completely force him out of his game.  Same for Harris.  Then there's the fact that we were dominated by Huerter, Collins and Gallinari.  A star with the unwavering desire to win wouldn't have allowed us to play like the puzzies that we did play like.

Joel gets the pass with a torn knee. 

4 minutes ago, downundermike said:

But he did not improve his FG% from his rookie year.  

Because we all know he doesn't shoot. I am saying the Spurs have a track record of turning projects into stars. Kawhi, Tony Parker, and  Ginobili. 

If want to win a package of DeRozen and Murray is probably best can get and Klutch gets warm and fuzzies that Sixers didn't try to F their client. People remember that stuff. 

Kind of like when Memphis sent Conley to the Jazz and Marc Gasol to the Raptors, both teams with a winning culture. 

10 minutes ago, The_Omega said:

It was partially Ben, but not totally Ben.  If either Embiid or Harris had stepped up, we'd have won easily.  Embiid was completely out of sorts in the series, and allowed Atlanta to completely force him out of his game.  Same for Harris.  Then there's the fact that we were dominated by Huerter, Collins and Gallinari.  A star with the unwavering desire to win wouldn't have allowed us to play like the puzzies that we did play like.

Honestly Harris is lucky Hunter didn’t play this series cause his numbers might look even worse. That’s the hawks best defender who would’ve been covering Harris at the start of the series if he didn’t get hurt. 

In the first 3.5 games Harris was very efficient and good. averaged 22.3ppg, 60.3% (35-58) and 4-7 from 3 (57.1%). 

From the second half of game 4 to game 7 he averaged 16.6ppg on 35% shooting (21-60) and just 30.7% from 3. He scored 24 points but took 24 shots to get there. Like those numbers from the second half of game 4 on are on track for what his numbers looked like against Boston in the 2020 playoffs (shot 38% and 13% from 3) and in 2019 against the raptors (shot 38% and 27% from 3)

4 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

Because we all know he doesn't shoot.

His FGA per game has risen from 6.3 as a rookie, 12.8 by year 4 ( higher than Ben in any season ) up to 19.9 attempts per game last year.

Last season he was 25th in the league in field goal attempts. 2020 he was 7th. 2019 11th.  He shoots plenty.

14 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I mean if ownership wasn’t a bunch of **** they’d have not caved to the nba and put colangelo in charge who pissed away assets and then let Elton brand with no nba GM experience concoct a roster where they believe horford was the missing piece to spend on. 

also maybe the fire doc and not hired him in the first place. 

I always wondered, what would've happened if Harris and the execs told Silver "No Thanks" when given that order for Hinkie out, Colangelos in.  What could the NBA have done?  They aren't gonna kick the 4th largest media market out of the league.  What's the worse that could've happened, some made up fines for insubordination? 

These guys got bullied by NBA Head Quarters and it effed everything up. 

2 minutes ago, therealdawk20 said:

I always wondered, what would've happened if Harris and the execs told Silver "No Thanks" when given that order for Hinkie out, Colangelos in.  What could the NBA have done?  They aren't gonna kick the 4th largest media market out of the league.  What's the worse that could've happened, some made up fines for insubordination? 

These guys got bullied by NBA Head Quarters and it effed everything up. 

It really was a defining point in the whole thing. You could also put in there the rumor that Hinkie wanted to draft porzingis at 3 and not okafor even after porzingis told the sixers he wouldn’t come there if they drafted him. Ownership didn’t want to draft porzingis and then potentially have nothing to show for a tank year the following year. Frankly i think porzingis would’ve came once he saw Simmons and embiid flourishing together. Porzingis is a shell of himself now but you could’ve also used him as a trade chip and he is still was better than okafor who was made to play in the 80-90s era

5 minutes ago, downundermike said:

His FGA per game has risen from 6.3 as a rookie, 12.8 by year 4 ( higher than Ben in any season ) up to 19.9 attempts per game last year.

Last season he was 25th in the league in field goal attempts. 2020 he was 7th. 2019 11th.  He shoots plenty.

Don't play us for being dumb. We all know he shoots layups, floaters or dunks and not 3 pointers or mid range, who cares what his FG% is or how many shots he takes. 

Interesting news potentially with the nets

https://heavy.com/sports/brooklyn-nets/kyrie-irving-trade-offer/?fbclid=IwAR1H_tZgMS1pzVOACMQxZZazijjk_RS-ieK0sckyofdXBSXeBJTRVFPRmKk

Let me give you guys a little news, I’m not sure that’s been out there. I’ve heard that Nets ownership was quite upset with Kyrie’s ‘pause,’ especially that maskless party that turned his psuedo-paternity leave into more like a COVID suspension. And in the last week I’ve heard rumblings – whispers, really, because cracking the Nets is kind of like breaking into the Kremlin, that Brooklyn GM Sean Marks would maybe, possibly, apparently be willing to at least listen to a trade offer for Kyrie this offseason.

Now, I’m not sure what the market for Kyrie is at this point. It’s not like Ben Simmons giving you the headache on the court. It’s that complex personality that comes from off the court. I think it’s been annoying some people in the franchise. I can’t speak to his teammates, who obviously want to play with one of the world’s best and get him back there

3 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

Don't play us for being dumb. We all know he shoots layups, floaters or dunks and not 3 pointers or mid range, who cares what his FG% is or how many shots he takes. 

You are missing the point of what I am saying.  He shoots the ball, and has been top 10 in FG attempts.  We are talking about him in comparison to Ben Simmons, who takes 10 shots a game and passed up a dunk in a game 7.

18 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

Joel gets the pass with a torn knee. 

It also made it easier to double Joel when there was a player that they didn't have to account for whatsoever on offense. I think Simmons does a lot of damage to Embiid's offensive game.

He shot 52.7% of his shots from 0-3 feet, 38.3% from 3-10 feet, 7% from 10-16 feet, 0.3% from 16-3p, and 1.7% from 3

He doesn't shoot

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

You are missing the point of what I am saying.  He shoots the ball, and has been top 10 in FG attempts.  We are talking about him in comparison to Ben Simmons, who takes 10 shots a game and passed up a dunk in a game 7.

I am making the comparison that Kawhi wasnt a good shooter coming out of college and Chip and Spurs are credited for helping him improve. Spurs would be his best chance in a small market WITH PRIOR success of non shooters being good shooters. 

5 minutes ago, Gannan said:

It also made it easier to double Joel when there was a player that they didn't have to account for whatsoever on offense. I think Simmons does a lot of damage to Embiid's offensive game.

They have never worked together because of the lack of space and both need the paint to be successful