greend Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 18 hours ago, Hawkeye said: The current Eagles backup QB has the same number of Super Bowl wins, Super Bowl MVP awards and 76 more wins as a starting QB than Foles. Is Joe Flacco a candidate as well? Nope. Once Wentz went down Foles became the "starter". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManchesterEagle Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 15 hours ago, Devaster said: Wilson will have a good chance as long as he can maintain his level of play over longevity. No one even brings up Ben's old allegations any more except for the rare few posts I see on message boards. Those have no chance of impacting his chances. Ben is likely a 1st ballot HoFamer as well. Yeah Ben and Eli are both close to locks. Wilson should get in comfortably as well if he continues playing at the same level for another 4/5 years or more. I love Foles but he isn’t even close to consideration at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MF POON Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 On 6/1/2021 at 9:06 AM, Sturm said: If I was Foles I wouldn't come back to Philly either. We messed him over twice in his career not believing in him as a starter. This. We still had one year to just let Wentz play in order to see if he was worth a big contract, or whether we should roll with Foles. The team guessed wrong, and now neither QB is here. I wouldn't want to go back either, especially with a new regime and possibly different offensive scheme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike030270 Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 Added 2 whole pages of discussion ✔️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devaster Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 4 hours ago, MF POON said: This. We still had one year to just let Wentz play in order to see if he was worth a big contract, or whether we should roll with Foles. The team guessed wrong, and now neither QB is here. I wouldn't want to go back either, especially with a new regime and possibly different offensive scheme. I wouldn't necessarily say they made the wrong choice. There was already a history with Foles and that history played out once again in Jacksonville and Chicago. Foles either can't stay healthy or his play is streaky. He has had small bursts of success throughout his career, but nothing sustainable. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-1000 Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 Apparently a lot of you have a terrible BS meter. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[TSM]_PimpDaddyPain Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 On 5/31/2021 at 3:40 AM, brkmsn said: Technically, only once. They actually exercised the option in his contract for another season, which he voided to become a FA. Well yeah true, but he wanted a chance to start and probably was a little insulted he wouldn't at least get a chance to compete for the starting job against Wentz in camp. A little weird to win a team a superbowl and get escorted right back to the bench. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devaster Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 3 hours ago, [TSM]_PimpDaddyPain said: Well yeah true, but he wanted a chance to start and probably was a little insulted he wouldn't at least get a chance to compete for the starting job against Wentz in camp. A little weird to win a team a superbowl and get escorted right back to the bench. Very rarely do players actually lose their job due to an injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brkmsn Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 6 hours ago, [TSM]_PimpDaddyPain said: Well yeah true, but he wanted a chance to start and probably was a little insulted he wouldn't at least get a chance to compete for the starting job against Wentz in camp. A little weird to win a team a superbowl and get escorted right back to the bench. After the Super Bowl, the Eagles reworked Foles' contract which was originally a 2 year, $11Million contract. In 2018, he made around that much alone on the reworked deal which also included an additional (option) year worth $20M guaranteed which the Eagles exercised. Foles was able to buy out the option by giving back the $2M signing bonus if he chose to become a FA (which he did). It's not like the Eagles did him wrong. But as mentioned already, Wentz was to be the starter. I get that Foles played a great game in the Super Bowl. He deservingly won the MVP award, but the whole team won the Super Bowl. It wasn't just Foles. Vaitai started in place of Jason Peters in the Super Bowl and the victory didn't land him a starting job with us either. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[TSM]_PimpDaddyPain Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 12 hours ago, Devaster said: Very rarely do players actually lose their job due to an injury. I don't know how rare it actually is. I mean Vick and Foles lost the job to each other here due to injury. Foles lost the job to Minshew due to injury in Jacksonville. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[TSM]_PimpDaddyPain Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 8 hours ago, brkmsn said: After the Super Bowl, the Eagles reworked Foles' contract which was originally a 2 year, $11Million contract. In 2018, he made around that much alone on the reworked deal which also included an additional (option) year worth $20M guaranteed which the Eagles exercised. Foles was able to buy out the option by giving back the $2M signing bonus if he chose to become a FA (which he did). It's not like the Eagles did him wrong. But as mentioned already, Wentz was to be the starter. I get that Foles played a great game in the Super Bowl. He deservingly won the MVP award, but the whole team won the Super Bowl. It wasn't just Foles. Vaitai started in place of Jason Peters in the Super Bowl and the victory didn't land him a starting job with us either. Oh don't get me wrong I'm not saying they did him dirty financially or anything. I don't think they should have "given" him the job because of the great playoff run, but at least a competition rather than just giving it right back to Wentz the second they thought he was healthy enough. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brkmsn Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 8 hours ago, [TSM]_PimpDaddyPain said: Oh don't get me wrong I'm not saying they did him dirty financially or anything. I don't think they should have "given" him the job because of the great playoff run, but at least a competition rather than just giving it right back to Wentz the second they thought he was healthy enough. The QB situation is always a tricky one. You're dealing with the team leader, the focal point of your offense and the face of your franchise. Wentz was our franchise QB during Foles' 2nd stint here. When you start to deviate from that commitment, start raising questions about the team's direction there, all that, well ... you get what we had last year. The Eagles were coming off a Super Bowl win and the GM was trying to go all in riding that success forward for the next couple seasons (which didn't pan out). The last thing the Eagles should have even considered coming off the SB win is potentially dividing a team --- especially one that was particularly close to each other. Clearly things didn't work out for the Eagles. I still believe we took the correct approach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eglz1 Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 15 hours ago, [TSM]_PimpDaddyPain said: I don't know how rare it actually is. I mean Vick and Foles lost the job to each other here due to injury. Foles lost the job to Minshew due to injury in Jacksonville. In part. He did lose the starting position due to injury (collar bone fracture) but did start a few games once healthy if my memory is correct. He didn't do well after returning from injury. And of course Minshew looked like a world beater when he came in after Nick was injured. Nick seems to have no consistency for whatever reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrestlevessel Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 Majowski lost the job to Favre due to injury thanks to Tim Krumrie. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brkmsn Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 1 hour ago, wrestlevessel said: Majowski lost the job to Favre due to injury thanks to Tim Krumrie. The Packers traded for Favre because Majkowski sucked and they were looking for a young replacement. That injury (one of his many) was the opportunity to make the change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dweedlebug Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 9 hours ago, wrestlevessel said: Majowski lost the job to Favre due to injury thanks to Tim Krumrie. Then there's Bledsoe and Brady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrestlevessel Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 On 6/14/2021 at 12:10 AM, brkmsn said: The Packers traded for Favre because Majkowski sucked and they were looking for a young replacement. That injury (one of his many) was the opportunity to make the change. He was really good in 1989 lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brkmsn Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 1 hour ago, wrestlevessel said: He was really good in 1989 lol The packers were pretty much a losing team in those days and he came along and provided a spark. They gave him a cool nickname. However, he never really improved as a passer. After trying for a while to make it work out, they traded for Favre and it turned that team round. The only thing magic about the "Majik Man" was how long he was able to start. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Procus Posted June 17, 2021 Author Share Posted June 17, 2021 On 6/8/2021 at 8:30 AM, greend said: Nope. Once Wentz went down Foles became the "starter". Not the same, but analogous to Kurt Warner after Trent Greene went down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blindside Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 Foles is a Philly legend. Why would he want to tarnish that by coming to this Trainwreck with all those expectations? Let Foles keep his legacy. This team ain’t competing with or without him 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle45 Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 On 6/8/2021 at 6:42 AM, Cochis_Calhoun said: Eli gets in for the rings, SB MVP's and longivety, he didn't ride a great defense or stellar running game to a ring he led the team and set the NFL record for passing yards in a post season, I don't think overall record comes high on the consideration, Jurgensen and Namath both have losing records and they got in, Warren Moon has no rings and a 102-101 record and got in on gaudy numbers and longivety. Yup. Like it or not, basically any starting QB with 2 SB rings automatically goes to the HOF. Any long term starting QB is automatically injected into the conversation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blindside Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 If Eli gets into the Hall of Fame, then every player inducted in history should be pissed to have the meaning of the Hall if Fame tarnished. Eli was never, at any point in his career, a top ten QB. Not ever. Rings be damned. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brkmsn Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 3 hours ago, blindside said: ... to have the meaning of the Hall if Fame tarnished. That happened when they let jerruh in (2017). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
time2rock Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 On 6/26/2021 at 5:43 PM, blindside said: If Eli gets into the Hall of Fame, then every player inducted in history should be pissed to have the meaning of the Hall if Fame tarnished. Eli was never, at any point in his career, a top ten QB. Not ever. Rings be damned. Hall IF Fame … was that on purpose? If so, we’ll played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerolithe_Lion Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 On 6/26/2021 at 5:43 PM, blindside said: If Eli gets into the Hall of Fame, then every player inducted in history should be pissed to have the meaning of the Hall if Fame tarnished. Eli was never, at any point in his career, a top ten QB. Not ever. Rings be damned. 2007 Bleacher Report has Eli 8th: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/9030-best-qbs-of-the-2007-08-season Pro Football Focus top Quarterbacks from 2008-2010, Eli 10th: https://www.pff.com/news/making-the-grade-quarterbacks-2008-2010 Football Outsiders 2009, Eli Ranked 10th: https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/nfl/qb/2009 Business Insider has Eli ranked 9th in 2011, prior to second Super Bowl ring: https://www.businessinsider.com/nfl-green-bay-packers-aaron-rodgers-is-best-quarterback-2011-10 Bleacher Report has him 5th for 2011, prior to the second super bowl win: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/995340-nfl-top-15-quarterbacks-of-2011-season Athlon Sports, 2012 has Eli 4th: https://athlonsports.com/nfl/ranking-nfls-starting-quarterbacks-2012 John Clayton, ESPN 2012 has Eli 5th: https://www.espn.com/nfl/preview12/story/_/id/8276502/nfl-quarterback-rankings-john-clayton-reveals-2012-hierarchy-signal-callers-part-1 2015 Athlon Sports, Eli 10th: https://athlonsports.com/nfl/2015-nfl-player-rankings-quarterbacks 2016 FOX Sports, Eli 7th: https://www.foxsports.com/southwest/gallery/ranking-the-nfl-s-top-15-quarterbacks-012714 2017 Sporting News has Eli 9th: https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/list/nfl-quarterback-qb-rankings-tom-brady-aaron-rodgers-derek-carr-russell-wilson/fp3jhqdcx32q1u6t2n1ycvt6h/24 I got those in about 10 minutes, cycling google through the different years he played well. I'm sure there's dozens more from just about every publication that didnt show up on google's first page. I get not liking Eli Manning, but making a statement like him never being amongst the 10 best in the league... is just a stupid thing to say. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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