1 hour ago, EaglesTD123 said:

I feel the same way as you regarding Wilson. Ride next season with Hurts/Minshew, then get a rook QB for the '23 season. Need to finish getting this team young. Need some damn D players! Gonna be some growing pains, but it'll be better in the long run, hopefully. 

As soon as we add a bunch more D players then we’ll lose our DC for sure.

Spencer Rattler got booed off the field by his own fans. Totally busted this last season.

5 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Spencer Rattler got booed off the field by his own fans. Totally busted this last season.

Agree. He  couldn't hold the starting job at Ok.

10 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

As soon as we add a bunch more D players then we’ll lose our DC for sure.

Yes, I could easily see that happening. He was almost with another team for the upcoming season. If that's what happens then so be it. Wouldn't stop me from shaping up the D on all 3 levels. Even though I don't believe that's where you were going with this post. I feel you were just making a simple statement. 

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14 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Congrats though,  you have Russell Wilson with not much else.    Story of the Eagles this century ...having a QB and not much else.  

Just top OL two budding WR a top 10 TE nope nothing else at all with Wilson lmao 😂…. still have cap space with Wilson who comes in at a whopping 19m 16th among QBs and all those old heads still come off the books next year as you suggest freeing up even more space still have numerous draft picks in 2022 and would have picks in 2023 and not losing much else. 
 

But yea D is going to suffer super long time because we have one less pick in 2022 lmao 

13 hours ago, Asg 15 said:

Wilson is a 32 year old  Qb that has used his legs as much as his arm to win games.

How much longer can that last?

True but why did Wilson have to use his legs so much throughout his career not like he was the rushing QB Lamar or even Hurts is he is dancing around the pocket because he never had an OL to protect him…. 

Shocking that the Eagles' 16 giveaways were the fifth fewest in the NFL (behind Green Bay, Seattle, Minnesota, and Arizona) their lowest total as a franchise since 1990. 

14 hours ago, joemas6 said:

things don't pan out.... then we won't have to use much to get a QB either.    You go QB now, investing the picks and the cap spsce.... then your team, especially your defense could suffer for a long time.   You give away the picks, and the cap space. 

And yea D definitely won’t suffer or the team in general if we give up 3 first round picks to move up in 2023 to select a QB lmao 🤣 

just can’t agree with the mindset of not using the capital when we have it. If Wilson didn’t pan out it’s two years and we still have two first rounders in 2022 and only lose a 1st in 23 roster can still be built still will have cap space the old heads still come off the books next year. Vs let’s wait another year get our QB in 2023 and give up 23/24/25 1st rounders so we can get that maybe 

12 hours ago, EaglesTD123 said:

Yes, I could easily see that happening. He was almost with another team for the upcoming season. If that's what happens then so be it. Wouldn't stop me from shaping up the D on all 3 levels. Even though I don't believe that's where you were going with this post. I feel you were just making a simple statement. 

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7 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Just top OL two budding WR a top 10 TE nope nothing else at all with Wilson lmao 😂…. still have cap space with Wilson who comes in at a whopping 19m 16th among QBs and all those old heads still come off the books next year as you suggest freeing up even more space still have numerous draft picks in 2022 and would have picks in 2023 and not losing much else. 
 

But yea D is going to suffer super long time because we have one less pick in 2022 lmao 

So I'm confused?    

1.  Kelce and Lane are playing forever?  Because our OL is like the old Washington Hogs???  It's elite for a decade into the future with Lane and Kelce playing into their 40s.  You think 2023 and 2024 we will still have a top OL?    It's automatic enough for Wilson to want to come here?

2.  You got a nice #2 and a nice # 3 WR.  He already has 2 studs in Seattle .

3. The D has Sweat, the rookie 3rd rounder and Maddux ... that's it long term.   You saw the performance vs every decent offense this year,  only gets worse without help as they lose all the vets.

4.  How do we give up just one pick in 2022 to get Wilson?    

5.   Whatever his " whopping " salary is now, his contract ends and it will go higher.  To think otherwise is a little naive.

Congrats if you think either Wilson or Rodgers will want to come here... again,  a little naive IMO.   Jimmy G and Watson are more realistic due to their potential limited choices.    The other two will have their choices, it's not going to take much for them to choose elsewhere. 

On 2/17/2022 at 4:16 PM, Asg 15 said:

Agree. He  couldn't hold the starting job at Ok.

Whereas, the QB we have broke records at OK his senior year. 

21 hours ago, joemas6 said:

So I'm confused?    

1.  Kelce and Lane are playing forever?  Because our OL is like the old Washington Hogs???  It's elite for a decade into the future with Lane and Kelce playing into their 40s.  You think 2023 and 2024 we will still have a top OL?    It's automatic enough for Wilson to want to come here?

2.  You got a nice #2 and a nice # 3 WR.  He already has 2 studs in Seattle .

3. The D has Sweat, the rookie 3rd rounder and Maddux ... that's it long term.   You saw the performance vs every decent offense this year,  only gets worse without help as they lose all the vets.

4.  How do we give up just one pick in 2022 to get Wilson?    

5.   Whatever his " whopping " salary is now, his contract ends and it will go higher.  To think otherwise is a little naive.

Congrats if you think either Wilson or Rodgers will want to come here... again,  a little naive IMO.   Jimmy G and Watson are more realistic due to their potential limited choices.    The other two will have their choices, it's not going to take much for them to choose elsewhere. 

1. Lane is 31 like think he plays to around 35-36 would seem like the norm for guys in todays league. And i forgot don’t have Mailata who is 25 Dickerson who played extremely well I’d like 22 yup our OL is a bunch of old guys that only can play 1 more year I forgot.

2.you had a rookie WR put up 900 yards in a run heavy offense a TE that put up 850 yards while missing games for COVID in a run heavy offense and splitting reps to start the season and a 3rd WR that had 650 and started as the 4th option at best on the year…. Never once stated they were better then the Seattle Duo at WR so don’t know why you keep bringing it up said ours are not chopped liver because you love to act like they are just terrible. 
 

3. Yes we have Sweat and Maddox, Milton looks like he will be a keeper and if he stay healthy so does Taylor at LB completely realize we need to add to the D 

4. How do I see Wilson only costing One 1st rounder in 2022 simple using a similar cost that the Rams paid for Stafford…. So yea can definitely see the trade looking something along the line of 2022 1st a 2023 1st and Hurts stated it numerous times.

5. congrats your not naive yes his contract will end at some point and usually when that happens a new deal happens aren’t you so smart lmao but your whole argument is that 30m cap that is false for this year and next year so cap is still in place this year to spend and next plus picks.

And lastly being so dense to think this Eagles team is in such terrible situation that nobody wants to play here is the real naive stance. But they can choose elsewhere which spots are so drastically better then Philly???? Denver they don’t have any major weapons D isn’t great, Saints with them in cap hell and no Sean Payton doesn’t sound like a desire spot anymore. Miami location maybe but wanting to win meh the roster isn’t better then ours. 

1 hour ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

1. Lane is 31 like think he plays to around 35-36 would seem like the norm for guys in todays league. And i forgot don’t have Mailata who is 25 Dickerson who played extremely well I’d like 22 yup our OL is a bunch of old guys that only can play 1 more year I forgot.

2.you had a rookie WR put up 900 yards in a run heavy offense a TE that put up 850 yards while missing games for COVID in a run heavy offense and splitting reps to start the season and a 3rd WR that had 650 and started as the 4th option at best on the year…. Never once stated they were better then the Seattle Duo at WR so don’t know why you keep bringing it up said ours are not chopped liver because you love to act like they are just terrible. 
 

3. Yes we have Sweat and Maddox, Milton looks like he will be a keeper and if he stay healthy so does Taylor at LB completely realize we need to add to the D 

4. How do I see Wilson only costing One 1st rounder in 2022 simple using a similar cost that the Rams paid for Stafford…. So yea can definitely see the trade looking something along the line of 2022 1st a 2023 1st and Hurts stated it numerous times.

5. congrats your not naive yes his contract will end at some point and usually when that happens a new deal happens aren’t you so smart lmao but your whole argument is that 30m cap that is false for this year and next year so cap is still in place this year to spend and next plus picks.

And lastly being so dense to think this Eagles team is in such terrible situation that nobody wants to play here is the real naive stance. But they can choose elsewhere which spots are so drastically better then Philly???? Denver they don’t have any major weapons D isn’t great, Saints with them in cap hell and no Sean Payton doesn’t sound like a desire spot anymore. Miami location maybe but wanting to win meh the roster isn’t better then ours. 

Wilson isn't coming here.  Move on.  

30 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Wilson isn't coming here.  Move on.  

Says who lmao

On 2/18/2022 at 3:53 AM, EaglesTD123 said:

Shocking that the Eagles' 16 giveaways were the fifth fewest in the NFL (behind Green Bay, Seattle, Minnesota, and Arizona) their lowest total as a franchise since 1990. 

Not really, we passed the least and Hurts couldn't pass in the middle of the field.

2 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Says who lmao

Ok.... let's talk seriously.   

1.  Chances are he is staying in Seattle 

2.  He would have other choices than here.

3. Do you really think a 1st round pick this year and a 1st round pick next year gets it done?  Why couldn't Denver offer the same, except would be higher pick this year?    

I think it's a stretch in every aspect.  And that's not even looking at it from a standpoint of wanting to keep the assets myself.  That's just what's kinda obvious. 

On 2/17/2022 at 7:03 PM, EaglesTD123 said:

Yes, I could easily see that happening. He was almost with another team for the upcoming season. If that's what happens then so be it. Wouldn't stop me from shaping up the D on all 3 levels. Even though I don't believe that's where you were going with this post. I feel you were just making a simple statement. 

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On 2/17/2022 at 4:10 PM, cunninghamtheman said:

Spencer Rattler got booed off the field by his own fans. Totally busted this last season.

Then why is he ranked 3rd best QB?

On 2/18/2022 at 3:53 AM, EaglesTD123 said:

Shocking that the Eagles' 16 giveaways were the fifth fewest in the NFL (behind Green Bay, Seattle, Minnesota, and Arizona) their lowest total as a franchise since 1990. 

Welp, we didnt pass for 1/2 a season lol

I just want Howie to get off his ass and draft the defensive future we need and another top WR draft pick. We need basically everything and if Howie muffs this draft by avoiding defense I will be extremely P___________ISS---------------ED 

34 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Got it?

Yes. Thank you!

3 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Got it?

Then why is he ranked 3rd best QB?

Terrible rankings?

18 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I just want Howie to get off his ass and draft the defensive future we need and another top WR draft pick. We need basically everything and if Howie muffs this draft by avoiding defense I will be extremely P___________ISS---------------ED 

My home run....  WR & DL taken round 1.   Then a trade back into early 2nd round that also gets us next year's 1st rounder.    Now in round 2, you have a top pick and another decent one, take whoever, both should be quality players.   I'd probably only question getting a TE that early, everything else to me is a long term need that any quality player helps.

    I’m a huge believer in day two of the draft. Not totally sure on just blindly trading back out of our fifteenth pick though. We have a great opportunity. We can add quality top of the line draft talent this year. Year two of our new team. Hard to trade away from adding and developing talent as soon as possible. We hit the restart button. So now we have a chance for a great chunk of the team to build around each other. Resigned some quality this past season to stay and build with. Had a very quality draft last year to build on. Our team and coaches got playoff experience on the road of the defending Champs against The GOAT. So I’m leaning heavily towards continuing the youth build. Can’t start developing and geling with 2023 draft picks. So that part just feels like delaying our progress. 
   So let’s take this example: since No Mas says Dline and WR and trade back. So to me that feels like we are trading back from taking a top corner. Should be three or four very quality options at our draft spot at the position. Our DC, Gannon, is supposed to be a a DB specialist. So in this scenario I don’t like the idea of trading the pick. Get me the great top ranked corner and get Gannon developing him. I don’t think I’m alone in my belief that Gannon is just a short term rental here. So getting a high pick corner Learning under a top DB coach could be invaluable. 
  Next I could say that Stout is an absolute fantastic assistant coach. But I’m not sure how long he plans to keep going here either. Feel like we don’t have too much longer with him. Just my own speculation. But feel like it’s a fairly educated assumption. So that would really make me have to consider Oline. Stout could turn that top pick into a Pro Bowler. You could make the case he can develop depth and make mediocre players work. But long term thinking…..I want that top pick having the best coach. So I’m leaning Oline. 
   Is our WR coach great? Don’t think anybody is saying that. Think he more falls in the questionable area. Will add that Siri supposedly is a WR guru also. So that helps there. Of coarse we’ve been putting draft resources into WR so much lately it’s borderline Lions stuff.

   Is our Dline coach a stud? I can’t even begin to answer that. First, Gannon had them doing different things. So gotta consider that. But we had a dominant pass rush… even though we stunk in 2020. Sacks dropped off a cliff. So questioning the change up at the Dline coach seems reasonable to evaluate and question. You could easily make the case we didn’t improve at that assistant coaching position. I will counter this with the numbers in pressures were good. We got a bunch of hurries but didn’t finish. Hurries are important. I don’t want to diminish them but so much.
   I guess what I’m getting at is matching the top talent with top coaching. Especially considering Gannon seems like he’s out the door very soon. Stout I only see as a few years left here. We got the WR to develop last year…..extremely high. Moorehead…..I’m undecided on. There were some very basic aspects of the Wr job that we struggled with. One easy example is pick plays. We stunk at running them. Did anyone take a step up along the Dline? Cox had an off year. Seemed like Rosie was complains about his offseason work ethic at the beginning of TC. So I’m not putting that all on the Dline coach. They asked the Dline to do more than just attack and penetrate. That was Gannon. So I’m not putting that on the Dline coach either. Hargrave was pretty much the same. Did well when healthy this season. Sweat looks good. Not really seeing coaching aiding him to launch his play though. Milton is the guy who developed during the season. I just really loved that pick. Super athletic big guy from a small school. So mapping out his trajectory this past season seemed very likely…..even predictable. But I’ll give the Dline coach credit there. Did his job. Pretty much what redeems his season and kept his job though.

  In conclusion, got the top talent with the top coaches. Seems like the best plan for success. Gannon and Stout are short term here. Utilize it before you lose it. 

Then when considering Dline: what D are we running? Do we need a Nose? 3-4 DE are different type players than we’ve mostly traditionally utilized. Then you bump the DE pass rusher to OLB. Dline is fairly broad. Seems like we transitioned to a semi-hybrid switch over year one with Gannon. So do we keep going towards 3-4? If I’m Rosie I’m already heavy into looking at the likely choices to take over at DC soon. Hard to zero in on one guy looking into the future. But I’m looking at the numbers. Only Rosie knows how his short list for DC looks next year….or the year after. But this is a huge part of the decisions. I can go back and go fall kinda of quotes about how Rosie feels he needs the right players for a system fit to succeed. Luckily he also seems to favor versatile players. It’s a very good time to change the D up. Plenty of turnover happening. The LB is struggling though. Going to the 3-4 will require massive attention and investment in the position group. Could completely revamp the whole position. Huge conflict is Rosie doesn’t invest in LBs. With his philosophy it makes it hard to believe he’d even allow a switch to a LB heavy D.

Holding you(No Mas) to higher standard of prediction. I know you don’t like predicting as much as hindsight thoughts. But WR/Dline feels like you’re cheating some. Three or even four WR can be on the field at once. So that obviously helps your odds. We are a fairly educated bunch about this team. So I think you owe a bit more specificity on WR draftee. Partly because identifying the needs helps sort out the options. I’m leaning towards a FA WR. Looks to be a few hitting the market. JuJu and Kirk are probably my top guys. Thinking the couple guys ahead of them aren’t going to be any real option for us. Dline feels the same. Like eight different Dline positions. So you kind of cheating with the numbers there.