19 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

So, let's draft a WR in the first round because that is the ONLY round you can get a Pro Bowl WR! Let's do it for the third year in a row!

Possible WHEN you get a pro bowl QB. Meantime why not pick up potential PB WR's? Even with "I wanna run around alot"Hurts, Smith had over 900 yards of offense when we finally discovered the run game that loosened up the passing game. Yeah I'd be fine with 3 rookie WR's producing 900 yards each and it dont cost me nuttin

8 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Possible WHEN you get a pro bowl QB. Meantime why not pick up potential PB WR's? Even with "I wanna run around alot"Hurts, Smith had over 900 yards of offense when we finally discovered the run game that loosened up the passing game. Yeah I'd be fine with 3 rookie WR's producing 900 yards each and it dont cost me nuttin

  You are missing my point entirely. You can draft a Pro Bowl WR in other rounds. It is done almost every year, yet you think our only shot is taking one with our first 3 picks. You seem to scout WR's well. Why don't you look at the others to see who may be that WR? We all agree that we have so many needs, especially on the Defensive end. So why not attempt to help that side? I don't have a clue who Howie will have on the Eagles Draft board, But I imagine there are quite a few defensive players on it. You saw that Article I posted about draft boards. I imagine the eagles will not have more than 125 players listed. probably 75 are defensive players......

I’m still on board for a veteran WR would like to see Juju in here on a prove it deal. Doesn’t mean we can’t still draft a guy but Smith/Watkins outside with Juju in the slot be a strong trio in my eyes all fairly young Juju being the oldest at 25.

2 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

I’m still on board for a veteran WR would like to see Juju in here on a prove it deal. Doesn’t mean we can’t still draft a guy but Smith/Watkins outside with Juju in the slot be a strong trio in my eyes all fairly young Juju being the oldest at 25.

I agree. Draft one day 2 or 3 if they feel he has the tools. We just need to stay away from the Reagors and Agholor's of this world.....

1 hour ago, stine said:

I agree. Draft one day 2 or 3 if they feel he has the tools. We just need to stay away from the Reagors and Agholor's of this world.....

Right, but let's not avoid the Jeffersons of this world either.  Can't be biased off of what happened in previous years... none of that effects anything come the exact moment the Eagles are on the clock.

The way I look at it is that you have the opportunity to select from 2 pools of players each year.

1 = the free agents.   In that pool you get a variety of different players that have a proven track record in the NFL.  You go after those players , but you are also in competition with 31 other teams in trying to get them.  You have be smart in targeting the players.  What position they play, the amount of $$ you pay them etc.      You use this pool of players strategically in that manner, it's a little complicated.

2. The draft. This pool of players is limited to what's available each year ( just like FA) but the 2 main differences are in that you control the situation.   You control who you select, you get their rights, no other team desiring the player matters.  You want that guy, you take that guy.    And you don't have to worry about $$$ , that player gets whatever $$ is associated with that spot he is chosen from.

So to me the draft is more simple.   I get the best player each time, build up my team using this strategy from this group of college kids.   I use free agency to strategize about positions. 

 The draft is the one time where you control it 100%.   You can take Reggie White instead of Todd Herrimans even though at the moment your DL might be better.  You shouldn't pass on Ray Lewis for Andre Dillard because you prioritize OL over LB.    The one time you have total control to just get the best player.. just do it.

Joe wanted to buy a motorcycle.He doesn't have much luck, until one day, he comes across a Harley with a 'for sale' sign on it. The bike looks better than a new one, although it is 10 years old. It's shiny and in mint condition. He buys it and asks the seller how he kept it in such great condition for 10 years. 'Well, it's quite simple,' says the seller, 'whenever the bike is outside and it's gonna rain, rub Vaseline on the chrome. It protects it from the rain, and he hands Joe a jar of Vaseline.

That night, his girlfriend, Sandra,  invites him over to meet her parents.  Naturally, they take the bike there. Just before they enter the house,  Sandra stops him and says, 'I have to tell you something about my family. 'When we eat dinner, we don't talk. In fact, the FIRST person who says anything during dinner has to do the dishes.''No problem,' he says.. And in they go. Joe is shocked. Right in the middle of the living room is a huge stack of dirty dishes. In the kitchen is another huge stack of dishes. Piled up on the stairs, in the corridor, everywhere he looks. Dirty dishes. They sit down to dinner, and sure enough, no one says a word. As dinner progresses, Joe decides to take advantage of the situation. He leans over and kisses Sandra. No one says a word. He reaches over and fondles her breasts. Nobody says a word. So he stands up, grabs her, rips her clothes off, throws her on the table and screws her, right there in front of her parents. His girlfriend is a little flustered, her dad is obviously livid and her mom horrified when he sits back down, but no one says a word. He looks at her mom. She's got a great body too. Joe grabs mom, bends her over the table, pulls down her panties, and screws her every which way right  on the dinner table. She has a big orgasm, & Joe sits down. His girlfriend is furious, her dad is boiling, & Mom is beaming from ear to ear. But still....Total silence. All of a sudden there is a loud clap of thunder, and it starts to rain. Joe remembers his bike, so he pulls the jar of Vaseline from his pocket. Suddenly the father shouts. I'll do the Fin’ dishes!!

As for needs.  We don't have any position group completed IMO.    TE is the exception of which I would avoid taking a player unless it's such a no-brainer stud.     So to say, WR is less of a need??? It's a need.  You can only take care of one need with each pick.  Whoever it is, it will help. 

3 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

The way I look at it is that you have the opportunity to select from 2 pools of players each year.

1 = the free agents.   In that pool you get a variety of different players that have a proven track record in the NFL.  You go after those players , but you are also in competition with 31 other teams in trying to get them.  You have be smart in targeting the players.  What position they play, the amount of $$ you pay them etc.      You use this pool of players strategically in that manner, it's a little complicated.

2. The draft. This pool of players is limited to what's available each year ( just like FA) but the 2 main differences are in that you control the situation.   You control who you select, you get their rights, no other team desiring the player matters.  You want that guy, you take that guy.    And you don't have to worry about $$$ , that player gets whatever $$ is associated with that spot he is chosen from.

So to me the draft is more simple.   I get the best player each time, build up my team using this strategy from this group of college kids.   I use free agency to strategize about positions. 

 The draft is the one time where you control it 100%.   You can take Reggie White instead of Todd Herrimans even though at the moment your DL might be better.  You shouldn't pass on Ray Lewis for Andre Dillard because you prioritize OL over LB.    The one time you have total control to just get the best player.. just do it.

Except Reggie White might not even be on their board if they are stacked at that position. Teams do not have more than 125 players on their draft board. Many solid players will not be. BPA is not the norm for any team today from what I read....

1 minute ago, stine said:

Except Reggie White might not even be on their board if they are stacked at that position. Teams do not have more than 125 players on their draft board. Many solid players will not be. BPA is not the norm for any team today from what I read....

Im not concerned with hypothetical... at the moment of truth all that matters is who is on the board.   They can anticipate,  which is part of their job, but at that moment it doesn't matter, the only decision is who is there to take.

4 minutes ago, stine said:

Except Reggie White might not even be on their board if they are stacked at that position. Teams do not have more than 125 players on their draft board. Many solid players will not be. BPA is not the norm for any team today from what I read....

Cincinnati had their biggest need as OL last year...  they took Chase, a position that they were good at with Higgins etc.     That worked out pretty well for them.  

In the end it's all about the player.  Not his position.   Leave that for free agency.   If we sign a Vet WR for cheap to fill a hole... isn't stopping me if the best player on the board is a WR.   Howie's track record doesn't matter either, only thing is who is available when we pick.

21 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Cincinnati had their biggest need as OL last year...  they took Chase, a position that they were good at with Higgins etc.     That worked out pretty well for them.  

In the end it's all about the player.  Not his position.   Leave that for free agency.   If we sign a Vet WR for cheap to fill a hole... isn't stopping me if the best player on the board is a WR.   Howie's track record doesn't matter either, only thing is who is available when we pick.

It may have worked out for 1 year but Burrow was the most sacked QB in the league.

How long do you think he'll last?

36 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Cincinnati had their biggest need as OL last year...  they took Chase, a position that they were good at with Higgins etc.     That worked out pretty well for them.  

In the end it's all about the player.  Not his position.   Leave that for free agency.   If we sign a Vet WR for cheap to fill a hole... isn't stopping me if the best player on the board is a WR.   Howie's track record doesn't matter either, only thing is who is available when we pick.

I can guaranty you that Chase was on their draft board. If he was taken, I highly doubt any other WR would have been taken. OT or another top tier Lineman or trade back. You seem to think that the Consensus BEST player available will be their choice, when it may not even be on their draft board. Did you not read that Link I posted?

On 2/24/2022 at 1:37 PM, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Been ton of talks of Washington willing to trade Chase young for a QB. Purely hypothetical don’t think they would but out of fun would you trade Hurts for Young 

Yes

5 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

I’m still on board for a veteran WR would like to see Juju in here on a prove it deal. Doesn’t mean we can’t still draft a guy but Smith/Watkins outside with Juju in the slot be a strong trio in my eyes all fairly young Juju being the oldest at 25.

Makes plenty of sense. Even read about Smith wanting a vet receiver to learn some things from. Some fans don’t understand the value of having a vet to teach extra things. Smith had no problem explaining how HE thought it was a great idea.

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

As for needs.  We don't have any position group completed IMO.    TE is the exception of which I would avoid taking a player unless it's such a no-brainer stud.     So to say, WR is less of a need??? It's a need.  You can only take care of one need with each pick.  Whoever it is, it will help. 

DB would be the obvious need for this franchise to add youth.

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

Cincinnati had their biggest need as OL last year...  they took Chase, a position that they were good at with Higgins etc.     That worked out pretty well for them.  

In the end it's all about the player.  Not his position.   Leave that for free agency.   If we sign a Vet WR for cheap to fill a hole... isn't stopping me if the best player on the board is a WR.   Howie's track record doesn't matter either, only thing is who is available when we pick.

FA or draft…..get the best players. Rosie’s track record suggests he has areas of struggles drafting. History and the current situation also suggests certain positions are more attainable in FA than others.

1 hour ago, Asg 15 said:

It may have worked out for 1 year but Burrow was the most sacked QB in the league.

How long do you think he'll last?

My answer.  Do you think one OL pick has that major of an impact in that?   They can make moves now for that ... but they have Chase locked in.    Take the best player.   They made the freaking Superbowl... they have a QB entering year 3... 2 stud WRs entering years 2 and 3.    That stays as they build a line.  

Marcus Maye is such a huge question mark FA S. About to turn 29. Fantastic S. But he tore his Achilles on November 6. Usually figure around nine month recovery. The good is his price tag should have fallen. The bad is recovery time puts him not starting the season. Pretty big swing player here. Do you take a chance on a Pro Bowl level player that’s seriously injured in FA?

1 hour ago, stine said:

I can guaranty you that Chase was on their draft board. If he was taken, I highly doubt any other WR would have been taken. OT or another top tier Lineman or trade back. You seem to think that the Consensus BEST player available will be their choice, when it may not even be on their draft board. Did you not read that Link I posted?

No I didn't read the link.   Because I'm not interested in all that.    I liked last years draft in the first 3 rounds.   They got 3 good players... you can build with that...regardless of the players at other positions that they passed up.    

Which player seemed to be a reach to you?  Smith?  Dickerson?   They were selected for their value as players...not for positions.  Just do it the same early on again.   This way... as you keep bringing up about " the board"... we don't pass up Jefferson because speed put Reager higher on " the board" 

5 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

My answer.  Do you think one OL pick has that major of an impact in that?   They can make moves now for that ... but they have Chase locked in.    Take the best player.   They made the freaking Superbowl... they have a QB entering year 3... 2 stud WRs entering years 2 and 3.    That stays as they build a line.  

Makes you question how important Oline actually is.

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

DB would be the obvious need for this franchise to add youth.

DBs.... that's plural.   So you need one WR and 2 DBs... or probably all 4 in reality.    You are on the clock... you can only take one player to fill one need.  After your selection you still may need 1 WR and 3 DBs... or 4 DBs...  either way it's 4 needs total.   I'm not passing up a player that I think is better because his position need is less in quantity than another position. 

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Makes you question how important Oline actually is.

Makes you realize the impact a player can make regardless if that position is less of a " need" 

Youth at DB is clearly a much bigger need than youth at WR

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

Makes you realize the impact a player can make regardless if that position is less of a " need" 

A total stud like Chase…..of coarse

We watched Burrow get harassed and sacked repeatedly. Yet they had a chance to win it all.