Big plan stuff here. What is the Big Picture Plan forward? Feels like we are heading in a different direction with the defense. I’m all about building this team up to try and open a contending window. Defense we aren’t locked into much right now. So this offseason is a huge building step potentially for years. What do we need along the Dline? What kind of S are we thinking fit? See it all the time guys become good or great when they get a chance to move to a team that is a better fit. So you can add quality talent(in any form) but you gotta put them in a position to succeed. Plenty to think on here….especially considering our DC feels like a rental. 

Wow...planet Ham in full effect.  Let me discuss for 1000 words why 1 +1= 2.

On 2/19/2022 at 7:21 PM, cunninghamtheman said:

Terrible rankings?

Inept fans? Hurts couldn't cut it at OSU

First round, if we keep all 3 should all be defensive players. Best D-Player available. Sign a Vet FA WR to solidify the WR corps. So D-Line, LB, S or CB would be fine. Even two of either D-Line or LB....

  Round 2 maybe go for depth on the O-Line or RB Position....

https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2022-two-round-nfl-mock-draft-russell-wilson-derek-carr-aaron-rodgers-trades-aidan-hutchinson-first-overall

Above is a mock that has the Eagles taking defensive players with their first 4 picks. I would add in another possible 2nd round pick if they elect to trade Dillard. Just thinking ahead. Eagles Sign a solid Vet FA WR and I think this would be a decent team moving forward.....

   The Cowboys got the steal of the draft with Parsons last year. Who is to say that could not happen again this year for the Eagles.

 

 

https://www.nfl.com/news/three-round-2022-nfl-mock-draft-1-0-packers-add-wr-in-round-3

  Here is another Mock that seems more realistic as the Eagles never seem to draft a LB. Here they trade back and grab Linderbaum C.

   I don't like it as much but understand the logic. They do grab a S in round 2....

2 hours ago, stine said:

https://www.nfl.com/news/three-round-2022-nfl-mock-draft-1-0-packers-add-wr-in-round-3

  Here is another Mock that seems more realistic as the Eagles never seem to draft a LB. Here they trade back and grab Linderbaum C.

   I don't like it as much but understand the logic. They do grab a S in round 2....

The needs are all there, so any good player drafted or signed as a FA works. For me... I'd like a legit 1st round WR if one is there, simply to know we have that position locked in place for a while.   The half century mark is coming up for me... I've yet to see QB / WR combo last here for a while.   Get the 2 young WRs in place, ( 4 more years of Smith and 5 years of another solid WR)  great start for any QB that were to come here.  Especially with Goedert locked in for a while.

If we get 4 picks in the 1st 2 rounds, and free agent $$ that was going to be spent on WR... surely that money and those picks could be used for the defense.   I don't think one offseason is enough to set up the defense, but one pick at WR sure could solidify the receiving corps.

Signing a WR FA for a 4 year deal would basically do the same thing. It depends on who we can sign for a decent contract. Maybe Sign a friendly deal for a Kirk for 38 mil 4 years. I am not sure what they are going for now, but we could also go defense if the right person is available. Any LB would be a good signing. They don't have to be Pro Bowl types, just a solid starter that will settle for a decent contract. Anyway, I guess we will have a better idea after free agency starts. Who we sign should steer us who to target in the draft....

You like the idea of trading Dillard for a 2nd rounder?

1 hour ago, stine said:

Signing a WR FA for a 4 year deal would basically do the same thing. It depends on who we can sign for a decent contract. Maybe Sign a friendly deal for a Kirk for 38 mil 4 years. I am not sure what they are going for now, but we could also go defense if the right person is available. Any LB would be a good signing. They don't have to be Pro Bowl types, just a solid starter that will settle for a decent contract. Anyway, I guess we will have a better idea after free agency starts. Who we sign should steer us who to target in the draft....

You like the idea of trading Dillard for a 2nd rounder?

I'd be good with either Kirk or Juju. And use all 3 of my firsts on D. 

3 hours ago, stine said:

Signing a WR FA for a 4 year deal would basically do the same thing. It depends on who we can sign for a decent contract. Maybe Sign a friendly deal for a Kirk for 38 mil 4 years. I am not sure what they are going for now, but we could also go defense if the right person is available. Any LB would be a good signing. They don't have to be Pro Bowl types, just a solid starter that will settle for a decent contract. Anyway, I guess we will have a better idea after free agency starts. Who we sign should steer us who to target in the draft....

You like the idea of trading Dillard for a 2nd rounder?

Well, I'd rather get the 1st round WR for 5 years, than the decent WR for $10 mil per year.    I'd also rather use the money on defense,  you can sign a few solid players for that $$$.  Should be cheaper than the decent WR.

I doubt we could get a 2nd round pick for Dillard, yes I would do it.  Mailata is signed as the long term LT. We probably lose Dillard for nothing after this season anyway.    I would guess he gets traded if we can get a 3rd rounder.   Might be a trade that happens in camp or close to start of the season... for 2023 pick.

11 hours ago, stine said:

https://www.nfl.com/news/three-round-2022-nfl-mock-draft-1-0-packers-add-wr-in-round-3

  Here is another Mock that seems more realistic as the Eagles never seem to draft a LB. Here they trade back and grab Linderbaum C.

   I don't like it as much but understand the logic. They do grab a S in round 2....

If the Eagles day one looks like this i'll be really happy

16 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Well, I'd rather get the 1st round WR for 5 years, than the decent WR for $10 mil per year.    I'd also rather use the money on defense,  you can sign a few solid players for that $$$.  Should be cheaper than the decent WR.

I doubt we could get a 2nd round pick for Dillard, yes I would do it.  Mailata is signed as the long term LT. We probably lose Dillard for nothing after this season anyway.    I would guess he gets traded if we can get a 3rd rounder.   Might be a trade that happens in camp or close to start of the season... for 2023 pick.

All First round contracts are for 4 years. Teams have an option for a 5th year but the size of the contract depends on performance. If the player makes 2 pro bowls you would probably be spending more than what you would get a Vet right now. Plus, this option must be exorcised after the third year. So the team would might offer a new contract at this time, thus wiping out the 4th year of the rookie deal. My point is: Assuming the Eagles draft a WR that actually performs well, we will pay him around 4 mil per year for 3 years and have to up that amount in order to keep him happy. We have such a great record drafting WRs after #14! So signing a Vet WR that we know will perform for 4 years at 10 or maybe less, may work out better.

  I would like to know how many rookie deals actually go the full length of 5 years at a discounted price. Can anyone find this info out?

  

   

   

OK DJ Moore and Calvin Ridley were eligible for a 5th year option last year. The contract amount is not negotiable and was 11.11 mil for the 5th year. So how exactly does exorcizing a 5th year save the club money?

 

 Marquise Brown's 5th year option will cost Baltimore about 13 million. He was the 25th selection, but it did not matter as that value is set in stone per the web site. By the time our WR is ready for a 5th year option I would venture that would be worth around 18 mil.... I am fairly certain we can sign a Vet for much less than that right now...

2 hours ago, stine said:

All First round contracts are for 4 years. Teams have an option for a 5th year but the size of the contract depends on performance. If the player makes 2 pro bowls you would probably be spending more than what you would get a Vet right now. Plus, this option must be exorcised after the third year. So the team would might offer a new contract at this time, thus wiping out the 4th year of the rookie deal. My point is: Assuming the Eagles draft a WR that actually performs well, we will pay him around 4 mil per year for 3 years and have to up that amount in order to keep him happy. We have such a great record drafting WRs after #14! So signing a Vet WR that we know will perform for 4 years at 10 or maybe less, may work out better.

  I would like to know how many rookie deals actually go the full length of 5 years at a discounted price. Can anyone find this info out?

  

   

   

Yep... give me the pro bowl WR all day....I'll gladly pay him.   Rather than 10mil a year for an average one.    Why I say this as an Eagles fan.   Go look back to1980 ... count how many pro bowl WRs we had.  Carmichael, Quick, Fryar, T.O. and DeSean.    If we draft a kid now that makes 2 pro bowls and add him to Smith and Goedert,  that's a huge impact for the offense. 

I'll pay that for sure starting in 2025 or 2027, whichever.  Get these vet contracts off the books in the next few years and we will be in excellent shape.  Rather do that than have a " solid " vet eat up $10 mil now.

1 hour ago, stine said:

OK DJ Moore and Calvin Ridley were eligible for a 5th year option last year. The contract amount is not negotiable and was 11.11 mil for the 5th year. So how exactly does exorcizing a 5th year save the club money?

 

 Marquise Brown's 5th year option will cost Baltimore about 13 million. He was the 25th selection, but it did not matter as that value is set in stone per the web site. By the time our WR is ready for a 5th year option I would venture that would be worth around 18 mil.... I am fairly certain we can sign a Vet for much less than that right now...

Math.... add up all the years of the contract.  You sign a vet now... 10 mil per year.... you draft a guy, he makes much less in the first 4 years... then you exercise the option ( only instead of it being Agholor level, the last WR we exercised the 5th year option for) it's a legit stud....then $18mil would be a bargain in 2027.   The total contract and the timing are the issues.  Plus the idea where if he turns out to be Reager, you cut him and move on.   

Besides 2017, when did you look at this team and think the offensive weapons were above average as a unit?   It's been forever.  Opportunity could be there to put that foundation in place for a while.    

40 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Math.... add up all the years of the contract.  You sign a vet now... 10 mil per year.... you draft a guy, he makes much less in the first 4 years... then you exercise the option ( only instead of it being Agholor level, the last WR we exercised the 5th year option for) it's a legit stud....then $18mil would be a bargain in 2027.   The total contract and the timing are the issues.  Plus the idea where if he turns out to be Reager, you cut him and move on.   

Besides 2017, when did you look at this team and think the offensive weapons were above average as a unit?   It's been forever.  Opportunity could be there to put that foundation in place for a while.    

  Joe, When was the last time we drafted a WR in the first round after pick 14 that was worth a 5th year option? You are assuming we figured this out, but I am not convinced. I don't want another Reagor to keep here for 3 years wasting a roster spot. Sign a Vet for a good deal that can be a #1 WR even if we won't need it.... Both Kirk and JUJU would be a solid opposite Smith.

  We stand a better chance drafting Defensive players IMO. We have drafted 3 defensive players in the past 15 drafts. Cox was the only Pro Bowl player taken. Marcus Smith stunk and we drafted Barnett, who was not terrible but the stupid penalties hurt the team. That is it. During that period of time we drafted 4 WR's, 3 after round 14. Agholor, Maclin and Reagor. Maclin was the only one who played decent and he only had 2 1000 yard seasons. I really prefer we do not go down that road again. Draft a CB, S or DT in round 1. Try Edge or even LB for the first time!

 

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On 2/22/2022 at 9:19 AM, stine said:

First round, if we keep all 3 should all be defensive players. Best D-Player available. Sign a Vet FA WR to solidify the WR corps. So D-Line, LB, S or CB would be fine. Even two of either D-Line or LB....

  Round 2 maybe go for depth on the O-Line or RB Position....

Who the hell needs a "vet" WR??? Smith has what it takes,get him the BALL. Draft Olave,costs you nothing, bringing in more old guys is what got us into this mess I a dont want to go back there. If you MUST have  a "vet" WR fine but Im still taking Olave. I would spend my "vet" picks on the lines as long as they are too old. JJ needed a vet WR presence(dont think so) How about Chase or Kupp?(dont think so) I'm fine if you want a YOUNG"vet". I will still take olave and tell the loser we picked instead of JJ to "hit the bricks"

On 2/22/2022 at 9:19 AM, stine said:

First round, if we keep all 3 should all be defensive players. Best D-Player available. Sign a Vet FA WR to solidify the WR corps. So D-Line, LB, S or CB would be fine. Even two of either D-Line or LB....

  Round 2 maybe go for depth on the O-Line or RB Position....

Why do we need a RB when we have a run happy QB? Nothing wrong with who we have.That would be a wasted pick IMO. LB's CB's S, WR, DT, DE are the spots I am shooting to get C/G if it's a majorly strong value pick

23 hours ago, EaglesTD123 said:

I'd be good with either Kirk or Juju. And use all 3 of my firsts on D. 

Nope I still sign Olave. Now you have 3 decent WR's. Tell Reagor to hit the bricks. Quez and Ward can stay. You can run those 3 WR's in about any combo putting any of them in the slot. You can now draw up a multitude of various plays with these 3(personally I would take Chark is a good WR he's QUICK) He is a WR who is being wasted due to to poor QB play 

2 hours ago, stine said:

  Joe, When was the last time we drafted a WR in the first round after pick 14 that was worth a 5th year option? You are assuming we figured this out, but I am not convinced. I don't want another Reagor to keep here for 3 years wasting a roster spot. Sign a Vet for a good deal that can be a #1 WR even if we won't need it.... Both Kirk and JUJU would be a solid opposite Smith.

  We stand a better chance drafting Defensive players IMO. We have drafted 3 defensive players in the past 15 drafts. Cox was the only Pro Bowl player taken. Marcus Smith stunk and we drafted Barnett, who was not terrible but the stupid penalties hurt the team. That is it. During that period of time we drafted 4 WR's, 3 after round 14. Agholor, Maclin and Reagor. Maclin was the only one who played decent and he only had 2 1000 yard seasons. I really prefer we do not go down that road again. Draft a CB, S or DT in round 1. Try Edge or even LB for the first time!

 

I'm not going off of any other year.  If there is a consensus WR that is the BPA around our pick,  take him.  The issue lies when we try to outsmart everyone else.   If a WR is there, I'd like to get him.   If not, I'm ok with that too...just don't reach.   

https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2022-nfl-draft-board-big-board  FWIW I found this interesting. They take their time and I tend to trust them They have those "players you never heard of",which we tend to take

Example...was WR the issue 2 years ago ...or was it taking Reager over Jefferson?   The WR was there, they just pulled a Ham and made things complicated.  

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

Example...was WR the issue 2 years ago ...or was it taking Reager over Jefferson?   The WR was there, they just pulled a Ham and made things complicated.  

Yeah,if we had JJ and Smith,we would be in pretty good shape right now. Not complete,but sure makes finding the last piece easier. I'm always for taking WR's even if it's round 4/5 to keep improving the room and weed them out as you move long

One of the best route-runners in college football, Olave is one of the most consistent downfield threat in the class. In total, 13 of his 65 catches ended in scores last season.                       I'm sorry,if you pass this guy up you are a total FOOL(But Howie can be that)