16 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

One of the best route-runners in college football, Olave is one of the most consistent downfield threat in the class. In total, 13 of his 65 catches ended in scores last season.                       I'm sorry,if you pass this guy up you are a total FOOL(But Howie can be that)

 Well, I guess there are going to be allot of Fools. Almost all Mock drafts have 2 WR's before Olave. I only saw one with Olave drafted before 19. So, if the Eagles think other players rank higher than a WR, they should ignore their board and draft Olave for the 3rd consecutive year(WR)? Last time any team did that the GM was fired the following season. I keep hearing draft the BPA. But it seems that you are saying BPA only if that player is a WR.... Sorry, I do not buy that line of thinking.

  Every year there are multiple WR's available. Fact is, that there are great options after round 1 at this position almost every yea. Kupp was drafted in the 3rd round. Devante Adams second round, Tyreek Hill was a 5th rounder. Metcalf 2nd round, Deebo Samuel 2nd round, Stefan Diggs 5th round, Tee Higgins 2nd round, Chris Godwin 3rd round, AJ Brown 2nd round, Terry McLaurin 3rd round,  Michael Pittman 2nd round.

 

   So, let's draft a WR in the first round because that is the ONLY round you can get a Pro Bowl WR! Let's do it for the third year in a row! Froget all other positions, we need to fix this one first!  Sorry man, I do not buy Olave as their pick. I do not even buy that Olave is the 21st ranked player in this year's draft. You can argue all you want, but you will never convince me that is the right path.

17 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2022-nfl-draft-board-big-board  FWIW I found this interesting. They take their time and I tend to trust them They have those "players you never heard of",which we tend to take

  OK,l if you look at this board, Olave will not be the BPA should 1-2 QBs be taken before the Eagles at 19. GB, you seem to be good at scouting WR's. Why not look for that WR that has the potential to be great but will be available in round 2-4. I am not saying to ignore the position, I just want other positions before they spend a high pick on WR again. There are huge holes on the defensive side of the ball. Ignoring them is going to be a mistake just to grab another WR to fix one position that is not a s critical....

2 hours ago, stine said:

  OK,l if you look at this board, Olave will not be the BPA should 1-2 QBs be taken before the Eagles at 19. GB, you seem to be good at scouting WR's. Why not look for that WR that has the potential to be great but will be available in round 2-4. I am not saying to ignore the position, I just want other positions before they spend a high pick on WR again. There are huge holes on the defensive side of the ball. Ignoring them is going to be a mistake just to grab another WR to fix one position that is not a s critical....

Eagles are in good shape with small WRs

If they're gonna draft one whey should be looking for a big body with some speed. Otherwise go elsewhere

38 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

Eagles are in good shape with small WRs

If they're gonna draft one whey should be looking for a big body with some speed. Otherwise go elsewhere

I agree ASG. If they are going to target any WR in Round 1(which I still do not want), at least get a big body. Something 6'3" or more... Burkes or London fits that bill....

5 minutes ago, stine said:

I agree ASG. If they are going to target any WR in Round 1(which I still do not want), at least get a big body. Something 6'3" or more... Burkes or London fits that bill....

How are things in NJ?

We're having a sleet/ice storm and now its starting to thunder. Odd weather for sure, and it's coming your way

15 minutes ago, stine said:

I agree ASG. If they are going to target any WR in Round 1(which I still do not want), at least get a big body. Something 6'3" or more... Burkes or London fits that bill....

So let's flip that same thought to free agency.  If you are going to spend $10 mil for a WR, make it the bigger WR.  Who fits that category?  Does Kirk fit that?   

Otherwise,  like I said, the needs are all there, so anything works.  Just my home run draft would have the stud DL and WR if available.  Combine that with the trade you and I seemed to like where it's dropping to early 2nd round while getting a 1st next year.   If that WR pick would be round two, it wouldn't bother me either.     Just need players.

At this point, I wouldn't look at any mocks yet...  things change with the combine and the pro days.   Let's see how things play out first.

17 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

How are things in NJ?

We're having a sleet/ice storm and now its starting to thunder. Odd weather for sure, and it's coming your way

Yes,  My area is expected to have up to 1-1/2" sleet followed by up to 1/4" Freezing rain. Slip sliding away!

Now my concern...isn't " well they don't draft WR if it's after a certain pick etc"  my concern has been consistent with this organization for years.

That is, they prioritize positions to the extreme.  They will value the line, CB and WR over the LB or S ... even if the LB or S is the better player.  ( this is first round, they have done this for decades)

So if the LB or S are there, sure take that guy instead of reaching for WR or DL.    But in a perfect world for me, the DL and WR would be the BPA.     

At this point, while a taller WR would be better, let's not be stupid again and do the Reager over Jefferson simply because of this obsession with speed.  Just pick the better player without harping on one aspect. 

11 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

So let's flip that same thought to free agency.  If you are going to spend $10 mil for a WR, make it the bigger WR.  Who fits that category?  Does Kirk fit that?   

Otherwise,  like I said, the needs are all there, so anything works.  Just my home run draft would have the stud DL and WR if available.  Combine that with the trade you and I seemed to like where it's dropping to early 2nd round while getting a 1st next year.   If that WR pick would be round two, it wouldn't bother me either.     Just need players.

At this point, I wouldn't look at any mocks yet...  things change with the combine and the pro days.   Let's see how things play out first.

  I have no idea what Kirk's size is. But yes, I would rather have a bigger body WR whichever way we go. You like WR round 1 as does GB. I don't. Let's leave it at that Joe and move on.

2 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Now my concern...isn't " well they don't draft WR if it's after a certain pick etc"  my concern has been consistent with this organization for years.

That is, they prioritize positions to the extreme.  They will value the line, CB and WR over the LB or S ... even if the LB or S is the better player.  ( this is first round, they have done this for decades)

So if the LB or S are there, sure take that guy instead of reaching for WR or DL.    But in a perfect world for me, the DL and WR would be the BPA.     

At this point, while a taller WR would be better, let's not be stupid again and do the Reager over Jefferson simply because of this obsession with speed.  Just pick the better player without harping on one aspect. 

  WE do have the issue of dealing with HR. He does make those head scratching picks. Here is hoping he actually does his homework this year and drafts 3-4 starters in the first two rounds. Would be a pleasant surprise!

20 minutes ago, stine said:

  I have no idea what Kirk's size is. But yes, I would rather have a bigger body WR whichever way we go. You like WR round 1 as does GB. I don't. Let's leave it at that Joe and move on.

Stine... this is where you lose me.  I said it would be my home run...if it was legit stud DL and WR.    Also said needs are all there so just get the good players.    You and GB always think everyone is arguing with you.  Lol.   

30 minutes ago, stine said:

  WE do have the issue of dealing with HR. He does make those head scratching picks. Here is hoping he actually does his homework this year and drafts 3-4 starters in the first two rounds. Would be a pleasant surprise!

Just take the best player like they did last year... with no bias against any position.   Get creative on day 3.  Don't overthink day 1 and day 2.

24 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Stine... this is where you lose me.  I said it would be my home run...if it was legit stud DL and WR.    Also said needs are all there so just get the good players.    You and GB always think everyone is arguing with you.  Lol.   

  Joe, Does anyone here actually know how NFL teams do their boards? I mean the simplistic form is putting a number from 1-300 on each player, but I am certain it is not that simple. Maybe they have a range after Pick 5 or 10. Maybe they say here are bonafide Starters and list them by need within that range. I really don't know exactly how it is done, but I am fairly certain it is not a clear cut 1-300 and draft highest ranked with every pick. You may have a WR, DE, LB and a CB all available at pick 15 and all are valued equally. Who do you pick? GB may say get the WR if it is Olave. someone else may say grab the LB as we are slim in that position. I may say get the CB because it is what we need within our division (to cover the WR's).

    Anyway, the bottom line is we don't know what Howie does and if he is modifying it this year due to all the first round picks. What strategy will he use knowing he is drafting ahead of Dallas? Does he want to try and grab a extra #1 for next year's draft in case he is looking at a QB?  Here is hoping we all are happy April 30th!

Been ton of talks of Washington willing to trade Chase young for a QB. Purely hypothetical don’t think they would but out of fun would you trade Hurts for Young 

OK, I found this article about NFL Draft Boards. This is real informative as the notion that teams always take BPA is thrown out the door. They all draft areas of need, even if that need is just for depth.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1953077-how-nfl-teams-put-together-a-big-board-for-the-nfl-draft#:~:text=The players who make the,where you would draft them.

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Been ton of talks of Washington willing to trade Chase young for a QB. Purely hypothetical don’t think they would but out of fun would you trade Hurts for Young 

  I highly doubt they would trade Young for Hurts. But if they are dumb enough go for it!

 

 

So this is why you see the occasional "Reach" by certain teams! They have specific players earmarked for a draft spot. If all of them are gone and that team does not find a trade partner, they are forced to reach from the next tier....

39 minutes ago, stine said:

  I highly doubt they would trade Young for Hurts. But if they are dumb enough go for it!

 

 

No I don’t think they would either but it’s a slow time so what else to do but think up hypothetical questions and scenarios lol

most of the reports were for far better QBs that had Chase packaged with the Wilson’s/Rodgers/Watson’s 

3 hours ago, stine said:

  Joe, Does anyone here actually know how NFL teams do their boards? I mean the simplistic form is putting a number from 1-300 on each player, but I am certain it is not that simple. Maybe they have a range after Pick 5 or 10. Maybe they say here are bonafide Starters and list them by need within that range. I really don't know exactly how it is done, but I am fairly certain it is not a clear cut 1-300 and draft highest ranked with every pick. You may have a WR, DE, LB and a CB all available at pick 15 and all are valued equally. Who do you pick? GB may say get the WR if it is Olave. someone else may say grab the LB as we are slim in that position. I may say get the CB because it is what we need within our division (to cover the WR's).

    Anyway, the bottom line is we don't know what Howie does and if he is modifying it this year due to all the first round picks. What strategy will he use knowing he is drafting ahead of Dallas? Does he want to try and grab a extra #1 for next year's draft in case he is looking at a QB?  Here is hoping we all are happy April 30th!

To avoid this same discussion year after year.   For me.. if I have a board there is no ties.   I plan for the scenario where ( let's say there is a tie in any point system or whatever technical method you all want to get into)  at thr moment of truth you only get 1 pick.  So in reality there are no ties.   The tie would be, let's see if we can move back a spot or two and take whoever falls.    

For me... I will state it CLEARLY again, which I do every year... don't reach for position. Take the best player.   This year, it would be my home run if the best player happened to result in a stud DL and WR.  If not, then take the other guy.    I'm not all in or all against any position.   I think 2022 draft is all about the 2022 players.  Not their positions, not Howie's track record,  not who our position coaches are..   the only thing that matters is the players that are coming out this year and who is there when we pick.   That's it.    

A big part of me would love to see LB and S taken ....simply because I would believe that those guys are clearly who the Eagles view as best player.  Because it's obvious over the decades... not just a few seasons with Howie...but decades with Lurie, that they avoid taking those positions and have passed on better players.

3 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Been ton of talks of Washington willing to trade Chase young for a QB. Purely hypothetical don’t think they would but out of fun would you trade Hurts for Young 

Yes!  No Brainer if it's straight up.   I assume we would have to throw in a high pick though. 

1 hour ago, stine said:

So this is why you see the occasional "Reach" by certain teams! They have specific players earmarked for a draft spot. If all of them are gone and that team does not find a trade partner, they are forced to reach from the next tier....

Correct... but our needs are everything,  so don't reach.  Take the player from the top tier that is there in the moment.  Reach on day 3.   Repeat of 2021 draft.   Make solid picks,  and come out with an additional 1st rounder. 

On 2/23/2022 at 2:58 PM, joemas6 said:

I'm not going off of any other year.  If there is a consensus WR that is the BPA around our pick,  take him.  The issue lies when we try to outsmart everyone else.   If a WR is there, I'd like to get him.   If not, I'm ok with that too...just don't reach.   

What he said

14 hours ago, stine said:

 Well, I guess there are going to be allot of Fools. Almost all Mock drafts have 2 WR's before Olave. I only saw one with Olave drafted before 19. So, if the Eagles think other players rank higher than a WR, they should ignore their board and draft Olave for the 3rd consecutive year(WR)? Last time any team did that the GM was fired the following season. I keep hearing draft the BPA. But it seems that you are saying BPA only if that player is a WR.... Sorry, I do not buy that line of thinking.

  Every year there are multiple WR's available. Fact is, that there are great options after round 1 at this position almost every yea. Kupp was drafted in the 3rd round. Devante Adams second round, Tyreek Hill was a 5th rounder. Metcalf 2nd round, Deebo Samuel 2nd round, Stefan Diggs 5th round, Tee Higgins 2nd round, Chris Godwin 3rd round, AJ Brown 2nd round, Terry McLaurin 3rd round,  Michael Pittman 2nd round.

 

   So, let's draft a WR in the first round because that is the ONLY round you can get a Pro Bowl WR! Let's do it for the third year in a row! Froget all other positions, we need to fix this one first!  Sorry man, I do not buy Olave as their pick. I do not even buy that Olave is the 21st ranked player in this year's draft. You can argue all you want, but you will never convince me that is the right path.

Who is forgetting all the other picks????? Would you be happy with JJ and Smith on our team? I know I would. The problem is Howie's inept drafting. SO what is the "right path" paying out huge money for someone who "may" stick, maybe get hurt and we have WHO for BU's? You seem to forget that DISASTER rather quickly. SO yeah lets pay a boatlod with what little money we have and hope Ward can pick up the slack if they go down. Going BACKWARDS is not moving forward. IDK who will be there.;If he is a WR that is over and above loser Reagor,you'd be a total fool to pass him by,so you will never convince me overpaying  old guys with a QB who is run happy is the right path

13 hours ago, stine said:

  OK,l if you look at this board, Olave will not be the BPA should 1-2 QBs be taken before the Eagles at 19. GB, you seem to be good at scouting WR's. Why not look for that WR that has the potential to be great but will be available in round 2-4. I am not saying to ignore the position, I just want other positions before they spend a high pick on WR again. There are huge holes on the defensive side of the ball. Ignoring them is going to be a mistake just to grab another WR to fix one position that is not a s critical....

I would be ok with that,but no later than 2. I like Olave because he is NFL ready like Smith. Can run the PRO routes unlike little,baby hand hold Reagor who really isnt all that concerned. If he drops passes. If a player doesn't care about their performance get the hell out of town NOW. I'm pretty SICK of being "nice guys" I want to see players with cojones who will beat on Dallas and everyne else  

13 hours ago, stine said:

  OK,l if you look at this board, Olave will not be the BPA should 1-2 QBs be taken before the Eagles at 19. GB, you seem to be good at scouting WR's. Why not look for that WR that has the potential to be great but will be available in round 2-4. I am not saying to ignore the position, I just want other positions before they spend a high pick on WR again. There are huge holes on the defensive side of the ball. Ignoring them is going to be a mistake just to grab another WR to fix one position that is not a s critical....

WHY? he is sitting right at pick 19 which is our last round  pick. I will be honest here.If it was up to me I would do whatever I had to do to get Gardner.Would require some heavy lifting. but an absolute cornerstone for your secondary. At cicny he allowed ZERO TD' in 4 years and only 130 yards against him.If you want an immediate impact player this is your guy and you can't argue about it