56 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Youth at DB is clearly a much bigger need than youth at WR

A total stud like Chase…..of coarse

Agree...due to the quantity that I said before.   We need 1 WR, we need 4 DBs.   You only select one player at a time.  I'm not passing up the better player if it's WR.  Similar to Cincinnati needing more at pretty much every position other than WR when they took Chase

56 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

We watched Burrow get harassed and sacked repeatedly. Yet they had a chance to win it all.

Right...would swapping out Chase for one OL pick improve that?

Same with the Eagles... would swapping out one WR pick for DB solve everything?  Or even have more impact?  I actually think the WR would have more impact.  

Like he was talking about our QB? Can't do anything without first having the talent. 

3 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Agree...due to the quantity that I said before.   We need 1 WR, we need 4 DBs.   You only select one player at a time.  I'm not passing up the better player if it's WR.  Similar to Cincinnati needing more at pretty much every position other than WR when they took Chase

Sounds great! Except you rarely have such a massive talent gap like Cincy faced. Having that stud WR already crush it with your QB in college made it a no brainer. Think I’d label the Bengals situation more under exception to the rule than any norm though. Incredibly rare situation.

3 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Right...would swapping out Chase for one OL pick improve that?

Same with the Eagles... would swapping out one WR pick for DB solve everything?  Or even have more impact?  I actually think the WR would have more impact.  

Immediate impact? Or long term adding youth to a position group? Clearly I’d side with the massive need for youth at DB. Having him learn with Big Play Slay is invaluable. We have several young WR to grow with. So I’d clearly choose rolling with a vet at WR and adding youth at DB. Seems very obvious to me.

3 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Like he was talking about our QB? Can't do anything without first having the talent. 

Quoting Bellicheat about character isn’t proving your point like you think it is.

To me, character makes it highly likely you reach your ceiling.

4 hours ago, joemas6 said:

DBs.... that's plural.   So you need one WR and 2 DBs... or probably all 4 in reality.    You are on the clock... you can only take one player to fill one need.  After your selection you still may need 1 WR and 3 DBs... or 4 DBs...  either way it's 4 needs total.   I'm not passing up a player that I think is better because his position need is less in quantity than another position. 

Watkins, Smith and Reagor. Not lacking youth. McLeod, Harris, Nelson and Slay. Not young. I think adding a JuJu or Kirk makes since here. Bring in a guy that’s not old but can add his veteran knowledge from another pro team to the room. We have that in the Secondary room. Probably even shedding some of that. Could really use that top talent youth. 

It already seems very apparent there is going to be CB and WR all right there at our picks. I was really loving how the Bama WR was coming on. Felt he was climbing into the top of the position group. Got injured at the end though. So don’t think I could take him there now.

10 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

To me, character makes it highly likely you reach your ceiling.

Yep... gotta get to the floor level first though.   It's why a lot of these high character college guys can't make it in the pros.  

5 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Watkins, Smith and Reagor. Not lacking youth. McLeod, Harris, Nelson and Slay. Not young. I think adding a JuJu or Kirk makes since here. Bring in a guy that’s not old but can add his veteran knowledge from another pro team to the room. We have that in the Secondary room. Probably even shedding some of that. Could really use that top talent youth. 

You can add Jerry Rice or Eric Allen to the current Eagles... which one are you drafting.   Drafting as in potential lock him in for a career.     

The player matters more so than position.  Because rosters change over time... in 2 years we easily  be deep at DB and have limits at WR.    I'm taking the player all day.  

Player is huge. But you are acting like there is some massive gap. If the guy just fell to you….take him…no doubt. Otherwise it’s more coming down to Wr and CB both being right there when we pick. We can argue between the various WR and CB and their ranking position wise(as far as top NFL draft talent). Stingley and Gardner I’d take over any WR. Now after them it gets closer.

    Take the great player!!!!!

That’s obvious really. They don’t just have that written on their foreheads however. So I’d take CB I have rated similar or even the same. Basically, if I rated the draftees 1-100. At 16 I have one player rated 87 the other 86. I’m taking the corner over the WR.

Gardner and Linderbaum I believe are the top two guys that could fall to us.

Karlaftis falls also then we hit a home run of a first round.

We Probably take Kenyon Green, McDuffie and Corrall though. 

FL St DE Jermaine Johnson had a great Senior Bowl. So he’s your likely guy No Mas.

5 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Makes you question how important Oline actually is.

Makes me question the importance of building from the inside out vs. building from the outside in. 

13 hours ago, stine said:

  You are missing my point entirely. You can draft a Pro Bowl WR in other rounds. It is done almost every year, yet you think our only shot is taking one with our first 3 picks. You seem to scout WR's well. Why don't you look at the others to see who may be that WR? We all agree that we have so many needs, especially on the Defensive end. So why not attempt to help that side? I don't have a clue who Howie will have on the Eagles Draft board, But I imagine there are quite a few defensive players on it. You saw that Article I posted about draft boards. I imagine the eagles will not have more than 125 players listed. probably 75 are defensive players......

The higher the pick normally the higher the rate of success and as noted we FAIL at picking late WR's (even round 1 ones). So until you PROVE to me we can develop lower ranked WR's, Howie should let the "Pros" pick them as he has no talent for it

7 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

DB would be the obvious need for this franchise to add youth.

If I get close to Gardner,I do what I need to do

Allen Robinson if you MUST have a vet WR. Nice WR with a series of trash QB's

The question lies in whether you go for Maye and Godwin. Both top guys at their position hitting FA. Both tore ACLs. Neither can probably start the season.

The fact they tore their ACL might actually be the key to their teams letting them walk and making it to FA.

53 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

If I get close to Gardner,I do what I need to do

Been plenty of talk from many(including No Mas) of trading back. Haven’t heard too many thoughts of trading up. So many possibilities and combinations of trade options.  We obviously have the ammo to most likely get anywhere in this draft. What you think 16 and next year’s first gets us up to?

https://twitter.com/ASTRON_NL/status/1497134661176381440?s=20

15: WR Garrett Wilson Ohio St
16: CB Sauce Gardner Cincinnati
19: DT DeVonte Wyatt Georgia

2nd: DE CameronThomas San Diego St

3rd: C Alec Lindstrom Boston College
4th: LB Troy Anderson Montana St

5th: Punt God

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/eagles-vp-of-player-personnel-andy-weidl-interviews-for-steeler-gm-job/ar-AAUnt2Y