9 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

On both sides. Kind of shows how size isn’t everything. What do we know about Davis?

They said he dominated every other rep?

8 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Nope. Talking about having AJ under contract over five years. But the more I see it….the three years option seems like the steal deal. But once excercising that…we either extend and rework….or AJ probably forces a trade again.

Right... so the 3 years.   Really 4 if you count this year....  the rest of the world sees it as getting Brown cheaper than your boy in SF....yet planet Ham doesn't?   

Two scenarios on planet Ham

1. Howie overpays

2.  Howie underpays and the concern is the player being unhappy in year 5?

Yet Dallas ( the perfect way to sign guys on planet Ham)  never has cap space?

8 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

He is a master at spending the money of the future. That’s why he survived the 2020 crap. Who else knew how to fix all that? Who else would take over his ship if you fire him? He got caught overextending capping out a terrible team. How bad can you get? We still playing for that on our cap. Another GM is pretty well strapped for three years if you fire Rosie. Which no new guy could possibly survive here. Rosie got everybody by the balls for sure here.

Agreed ... one year he couldn't spend money.... we will never hear the end of it. Yet teams stay in Cao hell for years and no mention?

The team needs youth, didn't need to spend on vets last year.  

8 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

But I loved that Rosie forced the extension agreement as part of the trade. Made it worth it. Otherwise you can get stuck like KC with their T. Or worse.

Lol... common sense is the part you like.  Like a 5th grader showing they know that 1+1=2.    Teams isually make sure there is an agreement long term before trading for a player. Very common.   

The credit Howie should get is the actual amount.  We see how the other guys are getting much bigger deals.  It's only going to go up.  

When we redo Brown... if he earns it... thr big if... then it's with leverage of still having a year left on the deal without guaranteed $$$.   That's how team friendly deals are made, while the player gets some security.   Waiting and setting the market value at such a high number is dumb.

6 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

but just look at the Chiefs and many others.

Yea can always find outliers but definitely more common if your trading good capital for a guy on his final year you are looking to extend him.

I mean Hill and Miami 

Adams and the Raiders 

AJ and the Eagles 

Just couple for this offseason.

8 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Think he got a deal through….that AJ agent could sell to his guy on the trade. But players need to do their homework on this stuff. Think Rosie got him on this. Mostly though because we get him on the last season of his rookie deal.

It's so nice to see you get this simple stuff... like watching things click for my kids.   But one thing you miss.... you assume the player doesn't know the deal before signing.  Very ignorant on your part. 

6 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I don’t think everybody works contracts the same actually. You are half right. I’ll give you that. But Rosie been at it for a real long time. Backloading so bad for a four win team was terrible. I’d really point to 2019. It was time to cut weight instead of bury the future for those guys.

Buddy you should pay more attention to contracts then and you will definitely see teams all generally backload contract, give dummy years etc. escapes 

Most NFL GM know how to manipulate the cap to maximize it.

Now we can definitely say that 

16 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

They said he dominated every other rep?

  You have to like the Defense right now. Milton, Cox, Hardgrave and Davis are all starting quality DT's. The DE's are solid, but maybe not as deep. We have probably the best LB group in over 15 years. Top quality CB's. Safety is the only position that is suspect, but it seems capable. Last year run Defense was a issue. You have to think the acquisitions of Davis and Dean will put an end to that. I am actually excited to see how we do on this side of the ball....

6 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I don’t think everybody works contracts the same actually. You are half right. I’ll give you that. But Rosie been at it for a real long time. Backloading so bad for a four win team was terrible. I’d really point to 2019. It was time to cut weight instead of bury the future for those guys.

The rolling cap concept just doesn't compute does it?

6 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I’d really point to 2019. It was time to cut weight instead of bury the future for those guys.

This is a completely different issue we can definitely say now in hindsight that we tried to keep the SB window open little longer then we should have. Should t have been handing out contracts to older proven players.

But it’s really no different then we we see the Rams doing now who just won a SB or the Bills who are on the cusp when you believe your window is there you over spend. If things start to go south fast like us they won’t look pretty either cap wise 

2 minutes ago, stine said:

  You have to like the Defense right now. Milton, Cox, Hardgrave and Davis are all starting quality DT's. The DE's are solid, but maybe not as deep. We have probably the best LB group in over 15 years. Top quality CB's. Safety is the only position that is suspect, but it seems capable. Last year run Defense was a issue. You have to think the acquisitions of Davis and Dean will put an end to that. I am actually excited to see how we do on this side of the ball....

I like the LBs of Hicks, Bradham and Kendricks.   I wouldn't put the current guys there yet.

Is safety really suspect?  Or just that there isn't a big name?  

2 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

This is a completely different issue we can definitely say now in hindsight that we tried to keep the SB window open little longer then we should have. Should t have been handing out contracts to older proven players.

But it’s really no different then we we see the Rams doing now who just won a SB or the Bills who are on the cusp when you believe your window is there you over spend. If things start to go south fast like us they won’t look pretty either cap wise 

You can point to 2019 and the injuries.    Then you can say that they signed the wrong players.  

Either way works more than obsessing over one year.   Like the years of constantly b$tching of not drafting Ziggy Anzah... not an intelligent look when looking around the NFL and seeing teams linger in bad cap situations. 

" everyone has injuries " is a nice cliche.... the 2018-2020 Eagles teams were way more than the norm.  Huge factor. 

17 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Yea can always find outliers but definitely more common if your trading good capital for a guy on his final year you are looking to extend him.

I mean Hill and Miami 

Adams and the Raiders 

AJ and the Eagles 

Just couple for this offseason.

What about Orlando Brown Jalen Ramsey….? Actually been plenty of guys traded first. Sure teams are looking to extend and sign these guys. 

5 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

You can point to 2019 and the injuries.    Then you can say that they signed the wrong players.  

Either way works more than obsessing over one year.   Like the years of constantly b$tching of not drafting Ziggy Anzah... not an intelligent look when looking around the NFL and seeing teams linger in bad cap situations. 

" everyone has injuries " is a nice cliche.... the 2018-2020 Eagles teams were way more than the norm.  Huge factor. 

After 2018 the team was capped out forcing overpaid vets because that’s all they could afford anymore. And by afford….I’m talking about being able to spend future money. You think it was brilliant to sink everything into 2019 and 2020. I just don’t!

36 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Right... so the 3 years.   Really 4 if you count this year....  the rest of the world sees it as getting Brown cheaper than your boy in SF....yet planet Ham doesn't?   

It’s a three year contract if the team excercises the out. When they do that AJ will fairly likely want to force a trade again. They have to exercise the out but extend him and rework. Did you look it over?

Rams extended Stafford after his SB victory

So it’s not always locked in the new contract when the trade is made. The key with AJ is Rosie caught his agent on a fairly quick timeline.

The Seahawks inherited all the risk when trading two first-round picks to the New York Jets for the former No. 6 overall selection. Doing so gave Adams insane leverage. The Seahawks were never going to let the star safety walk after paying such a high price to acquire him.

Adams had been sitting out practices while sides hammered out a deal.

27 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

The rolling cap concept just doesn't compute does it?

Not for you. You love dead money and being forced to cut good players.

You love that Rosie keeps spending. Is there ever an acceptable time for you to consider,with a rolling cap, to not spend?

You guys can go over the Contracts and dead money all you want. It is not going to change. Maybe the amounts will be lower once the few odd ball contracts are done with, but we will always have dead money. All teams will always have dead money. Why bother rehashing it? Because you do not like how HR did it? Do you think you would have done a better job? I mean, it is real easy to look after the fact and see the mistakes, but try doing it now for AJ and others we signed. Tell me where the issues are now and we can look back in 3 years to see if you were right or wrong. I can guaranty that your opinions will not be 100% correct. They never are.

 

Let the pros do what they do best and hope it works out.

https://theeagleswire.usatoday.com/lists/philadelphia-eagles-news-2022-nfl-salary-cap-dead-money/

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

https://theeagleswire.usatoday.com/lists/philadelphia-eagles-news-2022-nfl-salary-cap-dead-money/

So you just can’t wrap your head around how much better this team and the future would be without being saddled with this 52 million? Do we bow out of the Marcus Williams FA signing if we have that cap room?

10 minutes ago, stine said:

You guys can go over the Contracts and dead money all you want. It is not going to change. Maybe the amounts will be lower once the few odd ball contracts are done with, but we will always have dead money. All teams will always have dead money. Why bother rehashing it? Because you do not like how HR did it? Do you think you would have done a better job? I mean, it is real easy to look after the fact and see the mistakes, but try doing it now for AJ and others we signed. Tell me where the issues are now and we can look back in 3 years to see if you were right or wrong. I can guaranty that your opinions will not be 100% correct. They never are.

 

Let the pros do what they do best and hope it works out.

Yes, teams have dead money, but ours is over the top, has been the last 3 years, and we already have more than double of 30 teams next year.

https://overthecap.com/salary-cap-space

10 minutes ago, stine said:

You guys can go over the Contracts and dead money all you want. It is not going to change. Maybe the amounts will be lower once the few odd ball contracts are done with, but we will always have dead money. All teams will always have dead money. Why bother rehashing it? Because you do not like how HR did it? Do you think you would have done a better job? I mean, it is real easy to look after the fact and see the mistakes, but try doing it now for AJ and others we signed. Tell me where the issues are now and we can look back in 3 years to see if you were right or wrong. I can guaranty that your opinions will not be 100% correct. They never are.

 

Let the pros do what they do best and hope it works out.

52 million though? That’s a fourth of our cap money.