HR did it right. Got the players we did, have 2 rd 1 next yr for QB if needed AND not having 3, 1st rd contracts coming due at the same time - something neither of you mentioned.

I'll stick with this team and moving on, not those coulda's and woulda's - they'll killya!

Ja’Marr Chase 1,455 yards and 13 TDs his rookie year.

Justin Jefferson 1,400 and 7 TDs his rookie year

9 minutes ago, mjkline1958 said:

HR did it right. Got the players we did, have 2 rd 1 next yr for QB if needed AND not having 3, 1st rd contracts coming due at the same time - something neither of you mentioned.

I'll stick with this team and moving on, not those coulda's and woulda's - they'll killya!

If we still traded for AJ we only would have two contracts to renew at that time. Of coarse if we didn’t trade the first round picks to the Saints they likely don’t get Olave.  But yep, we have the random first round pick next year instead of the starting S. I also thought a few pass rushers were very worth taking in the first also. Obviously we could have traded back in the first to add more picks. What I was suggesting.

I remember growing up the knowledgeable coaches saying each rd of the draft the odds of a player becoming a good starter dropped by a certain %. Sure there are busts early and diamonds later, but I still consider it a good rule of thumb. Really depends on the drafts' strengths, needs and how it's running. Sure I would've liked a S, but look at everything that got done. Plus we haven't seen all of the 1's in an actual game yet.

2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Chase was going early. Dude is amazing. Probably the best WR in the league. The trade up by the Saints completely forced the WR market in the draft. We enabled them to push us out of drafting a WR. We had to trade for AJ since the Saints did that.

I’m just shaking my head at your failed logic.

LMAO Ham's math 4>5

2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Ja’Marr Chase 1,455 yards and 13 TDs his rookie year.

Justin Jefferson 1,400 and 7 TDs his rookie year

But Olave set the market.Thats amazing stuff since he hasn't played a snap yet

2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Chase was going early. Dude is amazing. Probably the best WR in the league. The trade up by the Saints completely forced the WR market in the draft. We enabled them to push us out of drafting a WR. We had to trade for AJ since the Saints did that.

I’m just shaking my head at your failed logic.

Failed logic is on your end not mine

2 hours ago, mjkline1958 said:

HR did it right. Got the players we did, have 2 rd 1 next yr for QB if needed AND not having 3, 1st rd contracts coming due at the same time - something neither of you mentioned.

I'll stick with this team and moving on, not those coulda's and woulda's - they'll killya!

Ham's math.....4>5

Ham always squawking about a "vet presence" so we get one at WR and he wants to trade him and a round 1 pick next year for an untested rookie S. This is TMZ stuff at it's best!! We're dooooooooooooooooomed. We are going 3-14 book it

https://www.nfl.com/players/jaquiski-tartt/stats/career  Here's the stats on that crap S we signed,AWFUL. Let's skip over the fact he has been consistently decent on one of the leagues better defenses. Total waste,no upside,he sucks,terrible move,no future here, Howie stinks,. DOOOOOOOOMED

2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Ja’Marr Chase 1,455 yards and 13 TDs his rookie year.

Justin Jefferson 1,400 and 7 TDs his rookie year

What does "market setter" Olave have? He set the market and hasn't played a snap??? TOO comical. So let's do it this way. Answer me a few questions 1) Is Brown as good as Olave? 2) Is Brown as good as Smith? 3) Is Olave better than Brown that comes with a round 1 pick in his back pocket?  3 simple questions-not hard you can do it. Bonus question---- Is Garrett Wilson better than Olave?

4 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Not how I see the trade at all. They gave up a third to move up in the first just like we have several times now. So we got a first next year and a second in 2024 for our mid first round pick. That future first could be a lower pick. We had an elite starter S in our crosshairs at that pick. Have a huge need a S. Pick Hill!

??? We moved up with a 3rd?    We used that to get Brown.  Possibly you need glasses to see what happened?

15 hours ago, stine said:

You have to think it was one of his major training goals. To throw while moving to his left...?

Just being able to get the ball out quicker on time and accurately would go a long way even if he still struggles going left. 

On 8/21/2022 at 12:28 AM, cunninghamtheman said:

This applies to several guys. Mailata, Dickerson, Smitty, Quez……I’d start with the coaches though. Playcalling tendencies are always a big study. Think Gannon has enough new pieces to deliver much more looks. 

Mailata who started majority of the games 2 seasons ago but yea 100% had the same concerns with Mailata last season when I said the same thing lol. Yea I don’t just say these things about Hurts 

7 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

3+1=4 2+2=4 I’ll take Dax Hill instead of random first rounder next year while enabling the Saints to take Olave and control the WR run in the draft.

But it's not what you are saying. It's Dax instead of Dean ( which would have needed to be included for AJ without the Saints trade), next year's 1st, and 2023 2nd.   It's 3 for 1 that you are saying you would prefer Dax.   Not 1 for 1.

Finally watched the Clrveland game yesterday.

The thing thaat sticks out is the quality of the WR room. There's gonna be some tough cuts there.

As much as i like Ward i suspect he's gone.

30 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

The thing thaat sticks out is the quality of the WR room. There's gonna be some tough cuts there.

Well we went out and got a HC that’s expertises is the WRs so thats a good thing that the WR seems to have taken massive strides 

31 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

As much as i like Ward i suspect he'd gone.

He should be gone that is the best indication that our WR room has improved. Ward really just isn’t anything special and is a feel good story and underdog but even at his best he couldn’t crack 500 yards. And that was playing in 16 games and the QB threw for over 4000 yards that season. 

https://www.theringer.com/platform/amp/nfl/2022/8/23/23317632/jalen-hurts-philadelphia-eagles-nick-sirianni-howie-roseman-quarterback
 

They gave 3 scenarios for Hurts this year but really don’t see the decision being all that hard when looking at the 3 options.

Option 1- he balls out takes massive strides as a passer team has success he shows he is the franchise QB we pay him and the debate is over simple.

Option 2- he regresses hurts the team(pun not intended lol) we move on draft a QB next year.

Option 3-  they talking this as a tricky situation but I don’t see it that way. If Hurts doesn’t we have a limited passing attack struggle against good teams and lay another lackluster performance in the playoffs. The team will again move on from Hurts likely through the draft. 
 

To me there is no middle ground and don’t think Howie and Laurie will settle for middle ground either it’s either Hurts is the franchise QB or we move on. 

4 hours ago, joemas6 said:

But it's not what you are saying. It's Dax instead of Dean ( which would have needed to be included for AJ without the Saints trade), next year's 1st, and 2023 2nd.   It's 3 for 1 that you are saying you would prefer Dax.   Not 1 for 1.

Welp there you go trying to use logic again with Ham. This gotta stop LOL. I think a little gear fell out of his machine

47 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

Finally watched the Clrveland game yesterday.

The thing thaat sticks out is the quality of the WR room. There's gonna be some tough cuts there.

As much as i like Ward i suspect he'd gone.

I hope not. I know he is nothing special,but he is reliable,but that may not be enough in this league now

12 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

You like Olave yet you love that we enabled the Saints to jump ahead of us and force the WR market so we couldn’t draft an elite one.

Comical,we had 2 first rounders. SO say we kept all 3.There were zero other "elite" (which we don't know yet) WR's in round 1?? Olave was there alone??? No other WR went in round 1??? We had out selection of any of the rest of them????? We could have done that,then Davis goes somewhere else and there is no reason then to make the Brown trade if your first pick is a WR???? If you consider Olave "elite" is Smith "elite" as well?? We have 2 firsts next year and we could trade up for Njinga? Although if the 2 we have perform why would you do that??? I think Howie did a great job Ham. So did all/any analysts,so they must all be wrong too. You wanted 4 players with 3 picks(not happening) Instead of 3+1 Howie gave you 2+2 and got Brown besides that. That is 5 players for 4(Brown plus 2 round 1's this year and 2 round 1's next year) and the fact you fail to understand this is sadly amazing

1 hour ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

https://www.theringer.com/platform/amp/nfl/2022/8/23/23317632/jalen-hurts-philadelphia-eagles-nick-sirianni-howie-roseman-quarterback
 

They gave 3 scenarios for Hurts this year but really don’t see the decision being all that hard when looking at the 3 options.

Option 1- he balls out takes massive strides as a passer team has success he shows he is the franchise QB we pay him and the debate is over simple.

Option 2- he regresses hurts the team(pun not intended lol) we move on draft a QB next year.

Option 3-  they talking this as a tricky situation but I don’t see it that way. If Hurts doesn’t we have a limited passing attack struggle against good teams and lay another lackluster performance in the playoffs. The team will again move on from Hurts likely through the draft. 
 

To me there is no middle ground and don’t think Howie and Laurie will settle for middle ground either it’s either Hurts is the franchise QB or we move on. 

The 3rd option is possible ( keeping Hurts one more year without paying him) ... if the cost of moving up in next year's draft is too high.   Then basically they use him as a place holder.     

It's also very likely he improves slightly, I don't see regression, not sure he could go backwards from where he is at, his running should still be good. Passing can't get worse.    With slight improvement and difficulty moving up in the draft, by default he stays one more year.   The " kiss your sister" scenario.

2 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

  I would switch Saints and Panthers Records.... No Kamara for a good part of the season. So a top 10 pick next year, which is a good thing.

14 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Ja’Marr Chase 1,455 yards and 13 TDs his rookie year.

Justin Jefferson 1,400 and 7 TDs his rookie year

  So, which Rookie WR out produces A J Brown this year? If your answer is no one, than I fail to see your logic we screwed up trading those picks. We got Davis, Probably the Best DT in a long time. We got A J Brown, a proven #1 WR with Pro Bowl status. We have 2 #1 picks next year and an additional #2 pick in 2024. I cannot see how anyone does not like those results! Add in Dean and Jurgens and it looks like one of the best drafts HR had in a long long time, maybe ever....

 

12 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Ham always squawking about a "vet presence" so we get one at WR and he wants to trade him and a round 1 pick next year for an untested rookie S. This is TMZ stuff at it's best!! We're dooooooooooooooooomed. We are going 3-14 book it

I never said that. Just wanted to use our THIRD first round pick on Dax this year.