2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

You somehow misread that blaming me for talking about downs

Because your "downs" post had ZERO to do with MY post. You just went off on another direction,which again surprises noone

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

But I reread what ‘I’ posted….no idea how you really got lost there.

Nope your post had ZERO to do with mine,nothing at all,but keep that spin machine running

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Your boy will be right at that last year before the cutoff thirties to be eligible receive a new contract

29

First round and you get a fifth year option. How many guys you remember being thirty on their rookie contract?

Great value

On 11/11/2022 at 8:57 AM, GreenbleedinNC said:

What's "ignorant" about reality? You saw "air Coryelle" in Hurts? Not our fault you deny reality that's on you. Ignorance is ignoring what your eyes are telling you

Here's the post Hamburger, now tell me what this has to with with 3rd down reads? I know, NOTHING!!!! NOT ONE THING,So what do 3rd down reads have to do with YARDS IN THE AIR???? Completely OFF TOPIC and if you didn't see the 1 and run last year(everyone not on planet Ham did) then I can't help you

2 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Great value

No, you're washed up at 25. Ham knows

2 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

So you deny what you see,ok that's on you

I’d say most every first year QB in a new offense isn’t reaching their third and fourth progressions as much. But there is clear breakdowns of Hurts game. Sometimes he leaves too early not trusting a good pocket. Sure. But I saw plays in pretty much every game last year he didn’t just not throw to his primary and run. He clearly changed plays at the line at times. But go back and look. I challenge you. Who is it Johnny does breakdowns of games? You see Hurts look at several different targets within a play. So you just tried to bash him with an all encompassing label. Sometimes like I said he left early on a good pocket. Basically what you are saying…but just on some plays. So I will acknowledge there were times he didn’t like his primary and didn’t trust his pocket and bailed or…..saw DBs backs turned and such with a huge lane to take it himself for large chunk plays. I’m fine with latter. Only completely immobile QBs aren’t guilty of taking off early on a pocket that held. Especially first year starting. But there is no crystal ball back there guiding him. His concern might be the backup Oline against a certain matchup problem. He’s concerned smith the Dlinestunting. A blitz pickup. Especially we know he’s correct in not being able to trust our RB. So if Gainwell is actually in the right spot this time I can understand the skittishness by a QB to trust that block. When would you be comfortable putting everything on the line depending on Sanders passblocking? 

 

12 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Because your "downs" post had ZERO to do with MY post. You just went off on another direction,which again surprises noone

What "downs”?

7 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Great value

You're a hater!!! 😂

I never said downs. I said "reads” Exsctly our misunderstanding here. Pretty sure I’m right and you misread "read” for "downs” some how. Quote my post saying downs instead of reads there. 

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I’d say most every first year QB in a new offense isn’t reaching their third and fourth progressions as much.

Right and Hurts was no different last year and WHY we all NEEDED to see his progression before anointing him king and signing him to a 5 year long term. Now that we all have seen what we needed to see and assuming he continues to grow,then I am fine with signing him,but that's a hater????

On 11/11/2022 at 2:14 PM, cunninghamtheman said:

Showed you break down after breakdown  of Hurts going to his second and third reads. After audibly to a better play to start. Super critical of the 22 year old pro. But your loving how the 25 year old in college is doing less. Just your talking point agenda pushing.

Here it is "reads”

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I never said downs. I said "reads” Exsctly our misunderstanding here. Pretty sure I’m right and you misread "read” for "downs” some how. Quote my post saying downs instead of reads there. 

Neither have a thing to do with yards in the air which was why I had the 1 and run posts last year and lack of deep balls

No biggie. Just you were blaming me for it.

17 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Because your "downs" post had ZERO to do with MY post. You just went off on another direction,which again surprises noone

Nope

So I will ask again,when you watched Hurts last year did you see "air Coryelle"? Yes or no will suffice

https://www.nfl.com/players/jalen-hurts/stats/career  Should be able to see the YOY improvement????? last year was like' OK looks good,but we need to see more NFL QB stuff". But we are haters because we didn't buy in after the nearly awful 2020 season when you were "all in"?? would you pay 50 million a year to the 2020 QB???? 

I confess to not understanding what you mean by air coryell.  I was continuing from your other comment about Hurts one read and run…you’ve beat to death. He progressed through reads and changed plays first year starting. Like I explained: if he noticed defenders backs turned with massive run for him opening up…and he took it. You can label that if you want. I see first downs and a guy creating the most explosive plays in the league. But I will clearly acknowledge there were times he would have been better served sticking in the pocket and passing. Huge gap between those two plays however. My point also being that he threw to READ two and three in every game last year. I don’t know exact numbers. But I’m comfortable describing it as regularly. Not as much as he probably is now being in this offense a second year. Pretty silly to expect to have all the new plays from new coaches and scheme perfected week one by a first year starter….heck any starter. Your bar is that of a grizzled vet playing in the same system for years. Would be nice…but completely unrealistic to expect. Frankly no QB ever really accomplished that no matter how long they’re in the same system or their IQ.

2 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

https://www.nfl.com/players/jalen-hurts/stats/career  Should be able to see the YOY improvement????? last year was like' OK looks good,but we need to see more NFL QB stuff". But we are haters because we didn't buy in after the nearly awful 2020 season when you were "all in"?? would you pay 50 million a year to the 2020 QB???? 

Now look at the 2021 stats,much better, and all we wanted top see was improvement on those numbers before COMMITTING. In my view he has done most of the additional things I needed to see PERSONALLY. I asked him to PROVE it and he did,but that makes me a hater for asking LOL. No questions allowed,no critique allowed

21 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

No, you're washed up at 25. Ham knows

Not washed up. But had to be considered when evaluating a guys accomplishments at that level. The other facts are you basically missed your draft picks normal rookie contract years. 
   If you go to a High School game and this guy is playing great….but then realize he’s 21 playing high school ball….that means nothing to you?

27 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Great value

You wouldn’t want to have the option to have those four extra years playing for you out of a draft pick? 

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I confess to not understanding what you mean by air coryell.  I was continuing from your other comment about Hurts one read and run…you’ve beat to death. He progressed through reads and changed plays first year starting. Like I explained: if he noticed defenders backs turned with massive run for him opening up…and he took it. You can label that if you want. I see first downs and a guy creating the most explosive plays in the league. But I will clearly acknowledge there were times he would have been better served sticking in the pocket and passing. Huge gap between those two plays however. My point also being that he threw to READ two and three in every game last year. I don’t know exact numbers. But I’m comfortable describing it as regularly. Not as much as he probably is now being in this offense a second year. Pretty silly to expect to have all the new plays from new coaches and scheme perfected week one by a first year starter….heck any starter. Your bar is that of a grizzled vet playing in the same system for years. Would be nice…but completely unrealistic to expect. Frankly no QB ever really accomplished that no matter how long they’re in the same system or their IQ.

Nah, we saw 2 different things. We started the year(2021) with the stupid college RPO which I complained about right off. That lasted about 5 weeks when we were getting tagged for illegal linemen downfield because Hurts was indecisive and held the ball too long. He made 1 read and took off running and I am sorry you are in denial about it. Week 6 I was happy to see Siri move away from that college BS and play PRO ball. Things began clicking after that. Hurts is a dink and dunk running QB,that is his STYLE and it STILL IS,but there was no way I saw a super passing QB. We win on YAC because we are GOOD AT IT. mere observation,call it hate all you want but that's his style and how we play

8 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Not washed up. But had to be considered when evaluating a guys accomplishments at that level. The other facts are you basically missed your draft picks normal rookie contract years. 
   If you go to a High School game and this guy is playing great….but then realize he’s 21 playing high school ball….that means nothing to you?

I have no clue why he didn't enter college at 19,some HSers take a year off or really search for the best school for them.Maybe that takes a year. So he enters college at 20 and decides to look out for himself AFTER football to stay in school and get his 5 year degree. SO?????? That was his personal choice to make. maybe he could have declared when he was 22?? or maybe he wanted to ensure he had a future outside football??? Washed up, undraftable,too old. Totally BS 22 or 25 you still have a 5 year window to decide if he deserves the money or not. If 30 is "too old" cut him loose,big deal

10 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

You wouldn’t want to have the option to have those four extra years playing for you out of a draft pick? 

He can play or he can't.There is no age limit for that. Either he can play at 30 or he can't. Either Hurts can play at 22 or he can't. Now that he is 24 we know he can,but at 27 there is no way Hooker can play? And I want to know how you know that

Damn Brady shoulda been fired on his 31st birthday. Noone else over 27 has even succeeded at QB

I don’t see the value at all No Mas. I see a guy that didn’t accomplish anything in college until he was past the age of a normal college career. At 24 he began to do something. If guys had been eligible to play college ball through their 25thB-Day I think many guys college careers would’ve improved. Pretty much like how could it not be a huge advantage. Like a 21 year old playing high school ball. A 16 year old playing little pee wee guys.

He threw for 1,300 yards with 9 TDs his age of a extended college senior. Anybody impressed with that? Nope. Everything being based on him getting four extra college years to play. Usually 18,19,20 and 21. Is the normal expected college path. We know guys do plenty to get a fifth year by many different means of extending college. This guy is on his second college career. That’s not even getting into early pick guys that leave early. So how do you evaluate this player? Normal college player…he rode bench his whole career. Did absolutely nothing. You even drafting that guy after zero starts? 

12 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

You wouldn’t want to have the option to have those four extra years playing for you out of a draft pick? 

What extra out of a draft pick? 22-27 or 25-30. Who can play is what matters

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I don’t see the value at all No Mas. I see a guy that didn’t accomplish anything in college until he was past the age of a normal college career. At 24 he began to do something. If guys had been eligible to play college ball through their 25thB-Day I think many guys college careers would’ve improved. Pretty much like how could it not be a huge advantage. Like a 21 year old playing high school ball. A 16 year old playing little pee wee guys.

He threw for 1,300 yards with 9 TDs his age of a extended college senior. Anybody impressed with that? Nope. Everything being based on him getting four extra college years to play. Usually 18,19,20 and 21. Is the normal expected college path. We know guys do plenty to get a fifth year by many different means of extending college. This guy is on his second college career. That’s not even getting into early pick guys that leave early. So how do you evaluate this player? Normal college player…he rode bench his whole career. Did absolutely nothing. You even drafting that guy after zero starts? 

Anyone draft Trevor Lawrence? Will anyone draft Young or Stroud,they also have zero pro experience. By your "standards" no QB would ever be drafted because NONE have experience