I’m just now breaking down his college career. I just stayed my opinion originally about his ability in the NFL. Not whether he could be the oldest player in college football history successfully. His team is doing well. Let’s be clear though…the volunteers. Not pro football. I would not even draft him for pro football. No good value in a crappy player that you need to cut instead of wasting roster space. Where is the value in an early round bust No Mas…regardless of age?

4 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I don’t see the value at all No Mas. I see a guy that didn’t accomplish anything in college until he was past the age of a normal college career. At 24 he began to do something. If guys had been eligible to play college ball through their 25thB-Day I think many guys college careers would’ve improved. Pretty much like how could it not be a huge advantage. Like a 21 year old playing high school ball. A 16 year old playing little pee wee guys.

He threw for 1,300 yards with 9 TDs his age of a extended college senior. Anybody impressed with that? Nope. Everything being based on him getting four extra college years to play. Usually 18,19,20 and 21. Is the normal expected college path. We know guys do plenty to get a fifth year by many different means of extending college. This guy is on his second college career. That’s not even getting into early pick guys that leave early. So how do you evaluate this player? Normal college player…he rode bench his whole career. Did absolutely nothing. You even drafting that guy after zero starts? 

2022 SEASON STATS

• YDS

  2,533

  18th
• TD

  21

  Tied-17th
• INT

  2

  Tied-6th
• QBR

  89.1

Actual stats ham not your BS from wherever you find it(and the season is not over yet)

Current Heisman Trophy Odds

A look at the Heisman Trophy odds ahead of Week 10, courtesy of BetMGM. 

PLAYER	SCHOOL	ODDS
Hendon Hooker	Tennessee	+100
C.J. Stroud	Ohio State	+175
Caleb Williams	USC	+1400
Blake Corum	Michigan	+1400
Drake Maye	North Carolina	+2500
Bo Nix	Oregon	+2500
Max Duggan	TCU	+3000
Bryce Young	Alabama	+3300
Chase Brown	Illinois	+4000

Apparently noone else has an age hangup except you

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Current Heisman Trophy Odds

A look at the Heisman Trophy odds ahead of Week 10, courtesy of BetMGM. 

PLAYER	SCHOOL	ODDS
Hendon Hooker	Tennessee	+100
C.J. Stroud	Ohio State	+175
Caleb Williams	USC	+1400
Blake Corum	Michigan	+1400
Drake Maye	North Carolina	+2500
Bo Nix	Oregon	+2500
Max Duggan	TCU	+3000
Bryce Young	Alabama	+3300
Chase Brown	Illinois	+4000

Apparently noone else has an age hangup except you

Undraftable, too old, can't play, has no experience, total loser

8 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I’m just now breaking down his college career. I just stayed my opinion originally about his ability in the NFL. Not whether he could be the oldest player in college football history successfully. His team is doing well. Let’s be clear though…the volunteers. Not pro football. I would not even draft him for pro football. No good value in a crappy player that you need to cut instead of wasting roster space. Where is the value in an early round bust No Mas…regardless of age?

Bama,not pro football,Georgia not pro football, Ohio state,not pro football,why do we bother drafting these kids with no experience??

4 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

OMG LMFAO, we're watching 2 different QB's then. Yep when you can't defend your point, go back to the old reliable name calling. Sadly that doesn't work with me because I don't back down to off topic immature drivel. SO last year Hurts was going through 3 reads? How did he have time when he was running every other play? or holding the ball for 6 seconds and taking sacks?(you know in that fab RPO college offense we ran for 5 weeks?) Where were those 50 yard bombs to wide open WR's he DID NOT SEE? If you bother to check he is still doing the dink and dunk and allowing our players to get YAC's. All those yards are NOT AIR YARDS(you may not understand this either but do your best). After you try to comprehend that,tell me WHERE I said this was a BAD THING. But yeah I'm a hater for seeing what I see. He's done alot of things better this year which is what we ALL were waiting for before handing him a huge contract. We all know you had a bronze statue put in your yard last year and if you couldn't see the 1 and run last year, then you are either blind or a complete fool. THIS year he is making more reads(and I stated I saw that also) So stop with the hater BS because you can't understand what you see from year to year. You can't claim Pitts, Joe had him in HS

Coach calls a screen pass or RPO….there is no second and third passing read. But you feel fine labeling Hurts one read and run because of the playcall? That’s BS to me. Of coarse I understand air yards versus accurate passes enabling YAC. I like both being done successfully. We hired Siri as Head Coach. You know…that guy on the field running the team. His main offensive belief is in YAC. You don’t want to rely on YAC you gotta get a new coach. But will defend Hurts on throwing some beautiful longer air yard throws already this season. Think he threw four TDs over 30 yards IN ONE GAME. I also noticed a below average WR room last season. Hurts has to throw those bombs to somebody. He threw some. But he doesn’t control everything. Coach gets his say. WR make a difference in types of plays opening up. We did have Goedert and Ertz(for awhile at least). Those were your experienced pass catchers. Would you characterize those two TEs as ‘Go Route deep ball specialist?’ Or maybe you think Hurts should have waited for the RBs to get forty yards downfield on their Wheel Route.

Hooker transferred to Tennessee from Virginia Tech in Jan. 2021.

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Coach calls a screen pass or RPO….there is no second and third passing read

But you said he was making those reads? Can't be both

4 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

But will defend Hurts on throwing some beautiful longer air yard throws already this season.

YES! Something we ALL NEEDED to see from last year(but we're haters remember?)

11 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Would you characterize those two TEs as ‘Go Route deep ball specialist?’ Or maybe you think Hurts should have waited for the RBs to get forty yards downfield on their Wheel Route.

I didn't. I said our offense was based on dink and dunk(and still is) and that we are good at it. Is that a problem for you? Somehow I am hater for seeing the obvious???? That HURTS "pass" yardage is mostly YAC? You disagree with this???? Hooker plays just like Hurts(but with a bigger arm),one guy is Superman,the other is undraftable trash lol.TOO funny,they play the same game except Hooker will take those downfield shots, Hurts not so much

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Right and Hurts was no different last year and WHY we all NEEDED to see his progression before anointing him king and signing him to a 5 year long term. Now that we all have seen what we needed to see and assuming he continues to grow,then I am fine with signing him,but that's a hater????

Let the season play out.

Bradberry needs to be cut immediately,I have no idea why we would sign a 29 year old,Slay is 31 needs be cut. We signed Sipposs when he was 27 a total disgrace

2 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Let the season play out.

Well he would really need to shaft himself out of a job

32 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I don’t see the value at all No Mas. I see a guy that didn’t accomplish anything in college until he was past the age of a normal college career. At 24 he began to do something. If guys had been eligible to play college ball through their 25thB-Day I think many guys college careers would’ve improved. Pretty much like how could it not be a huge advantage. Like a 21 year old playing high school ball. A 16 year old playing little pee wee guys.

He threw for 1,300 yards with 9 TDs his age of a extended college senior. Anybody impressed with that? Nope. Everything being based on him getting four extra college years to play. Usually 18,19,20 and 21. Is the normal expected college path. We know guys do plenty to get a fifth year by many different means of extending college. This guy is on his second college career. That’s not even getting into early pick guys that leave early. So how do you evaluate this player? Normal college player…he rode bench his whole career. Did absolutely nothing. You even drafting that guy after zero starts? 

?????    Who has time to read that book?   If you get a 29 year old on a rookie contract, that's great value.     

If you don't like the player, that is a different story.   

It's Iike the bad argument you make about when the Eagles spent all the $$ on Jackson and Jackson...etc.   It's a player thing, bad decision on the players.  Not due to not having cap space.

3 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Let the season play out.

Point was I am a hater,not when we sign him . I am a hater either way,so are you

Just now, joemas6 said:

?????    Who has time to read that book?   If you get a 29 year old on a rookie contract, that's great value.     

If you don't like the player, that is a different story.   

It's Iike the bad argument you make about when the Eagles spent all the $$ on Jackson and Jackson...etc.   It's a player thing, bad decision on the players.  Not due to not having cap space.

25 is washed up 29 is even worse Joe.Get with the program here 🤣

Here is a news flash...  EVERY BAD PLAYER IS A BAD CONTRACT. 

Signing a bad player is a bad cap decision.   

Managing the cap ...is about allowing yourself to make more of those bad decisions.  Giving your self a chance to replace that player with another. 

Eagles have had multiple shots at doing that. Dallas has not.   Eagles have has that because they managed the $$$ well, Dallas has not. 

2 separate arguments.  

10 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Here is a news flash...  EVERY BAD PLAYER IS A BAD CONTRACT. 

Signing a bad player is a bad cap decision.   

Managing the cap ...is about allowing yourself to make more of those bad decisions.  Giving your self a chance to replace that player with another. 

Eagles have had multiple shots at doing that. Dallas has not.   Eagles have has that because they managed the $$$ well, Dallas has not. 

2 separate arguments.  

But we paved the way to give up 2 firsts for Pitts

4 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Hooker transferred to Tennessee from Virginia Tech in Jan. 2021.

But you said he was making those reads? Can't be both

Sure it can. He’s not reading a third or fourth receiving option in a playcall that those don’t exist….obviously. I guess I need to clarify when a running play is called Hurts isn’t going through three receiving options also. That’s every QB everywhere…throughout time. Also many times the primary WR actually gets the pass. So Hurts isn’t progressing through all passing options if read number one is open. If the primary was covered and he felt the pocket wasn’t collapsed he progressed to other targets.

  That’s the end of today’s lesson on Football 101. Tomorrow we’ll cover how many yards it takes to move the ten yard long chains to get a first down. Pregame Monday be sure to tune in to learn why and Eagle is at midfield at the Linc. Riveting stuff you can’t miss.

5 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I have no clue why he didn't enter college at 19,some HSers take a year off or really search for the best school for them.Maybe that takes a year. So he enters college at 20 and decides to look out for himself AFTER football to stay in school and get his 5 year degree. SO?????? That was his personal choice to make. maybe he could have declared when he was 22?? or maybe he wanted to ensure he had a future outside football??? Washed up, undraftable,too old. Totally BS 22 or 25 you still have a 5 year window to decide if he deserves the money or not. If 30 is "too old" cut him loose,big deal

He will need that degree. Hopefully, for him, he’s a first round pick. Probably his biggest contract he’ll receive.

5 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

He can play or he can't.There is no age limit for that. Either he can play at 30 or he can't. Either Hurts can play at 22 or he can't. Now that he is 24 we know he can,but at 27 there is no way Hooker can play? And I want to know how you know that

Why can’t Hurts play at 30?

I really have nothing against Hooker. Just wouldn’t draft him. Don’t think he’s much of NFL talent. I’m not a Tennessee fan either. Wish him well and all. I just don’t really see it. Hopefully Washington draft him.

Just how I see him. We’ll find out here in a couple seasons. 

2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Sure it can. He’s not reading a third or fourth receiving option in a playcall that those don’t exist….obviously. I guess I need to clarify when a running play is called Hurts isn’t going through three receiving options also. That’s every QB everywhere…throughout time. Also many times the primary WR actually gets the pass. So Hurts isn’t progressing through all passing options if read number one is open. If the primary was covered and he felt the pocket wasn’t collapsed he progressed to other targets.

  That’s the end of today’s lesson on Football 101. Tomorrow we’ll cover how many yards it takes to move the ten yard long chains to get a first down. Pregame Monday be sure to tune in to learn why and Eagle is at midfield at the Linc. Riveting stuff you can’t miss.

Incoherent,you don't even understand your own posts 🤣

2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

He will need that degree. Hopefully, for him, he’s a first round pick. Probably his biggest contract he’ll receive.

Why can’t Hurts play at 30?

Why can't Hooker? Once again the double standard shows it's ugly face.  24 LEADER!!!!!   25- Undraftable LMAO TOO funny. Hurts can play at 30,Hooker is already washed up at 25. I enjoy our chats, but would rather chat with someone who was coherent

3 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Incoherent,you don't even understand your own posts 🤣

You are labeling Hurts based on the coaches playcall. But really, I have to explain  all the positive reasons Hurts isn’t going to a third option in his progression? Beneath us all to call out the obvious..it’s this game we call football. You only go through your progression of reads passing. When the first isn’t open. So every play you aren’t going to your third option. That’s why they call it the third option. But I will add one point I missed. The RPOs and options…really usually have three options. Rb,Qb and wr

3 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Incoherent,you don't even understand your own posts 🤣

Just trying to explain the most obvious of points about football.

3 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Why can't Hooker? Once again the double standard shows it's ugly face.  24 LEADER!!!!!   25- Undraftable LMAO TOO funny. Hurts can play at 30,Hooker is already washed up at 25. I enjoy our chats, but would rather chat with someone who was coherent

I didn’t say he was washed up at 25. But pointing out how old he is for things to click on a college level. Clearly it’s an advantage to be six years older than your competition everywhere below pro level.

Leader…with Hurts you seem to be missing what all he does to make him great at it. I’ve said it over and over. That all you focus on is stats. Leadership is much more a job than just that. I see Hurts effects on the whole team. Not just WR or even offense. Intangibles! You don’t understand but just trust me.

3 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Why can't Hooker? Once again the double standard shows it's ugly face.  24 LEADER!!!!!   25- Undraftable LMAO TOO funny. Hurts can play at 30,Hooker is already washed up at 25. I enjoy our chats, but would rather chat with someone who was coherent

Hooker having a very good year. You saw it coming. I’ll pat you on the back for that. I didn’t say he couldn’t be a good college player though.