2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

The guy barely getting touches lost behind Boston Scott is your lock?

NO RB here is being overused. Once again the Hurts hog factor. Why would we press Gainwell into service if the RB's we have aren't being used much anyway?

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

Forget Cox and Hargrave.   You let them go.  

We're also going to need to pay HURTS AND a decent BU QB unless Book is ready to take the #2,which I can't see

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

You can't force yourself into a bad contract  because of " you let him go what do you do"  that compounds things.  That's Alshon, DeSean and Malik all over again.    If you need to take a step back for a year to retool and reshape the cap in your favor... it's the smarter move and better for a young QB you want to have a long successful career.    

I think you are in such a place with Hurts... you are afraid he fails that it means that's it.   Either lower the bar or force things for the short term.  No need for that.  If he is the guy, you can't hand cuff the roster long term.  If anything spend on OL to protect him early.  

A top Oline can make mediocre RB's look good (why I would like to find Lanes replacement). A Top Oline will push for those 4th and 1 Hurts sneaks, a top Oline will open that hole one last time to give you the game winner(see Colts). You can't tell me our RB's are overworked here

2 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

A top Oline can make mediocre RB's look good (why I would like to find Lanes replacement). A Top Oline will push for those 4th and 1 Hurts sneaks, a top Oline will open that hole one last time to give you the game winner(see Colts). You can't tell me our RB's are overworked here

Agreed, that's why I'm not spending money for one RB when I can find 3 of them for half the price.  You aren't thinking KC and Buffalo are favorites because of their RBs.   

12 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

For the season, the Eagles have scored touchdowns on 71.4% of their trips to the red zone, which ranks fourth in the NFL. And they’re also scoring touchdowns 85.7% of the time when the reach a goal-to-go scenario, tied for fifth in the league. Both of those success rates are considerably higher than the league averages — 57.0% and 72.4%

  They are also not scoring at all in 38% of the quarters this year which is lower 25% of the league.

10 hours ago, joemas6 said:

I'm already past that... I'm not paying what I think he can get as a free agent.  He can probably get $5 to 8 mil.   I don't think they value the RB position. But I would think they would prefer to draft a guy round 2... start over on 4 years of cheap RB.    

I think you want confirmation that Sanders is this " special player "  you aren't thinking good business.  His talent ( if you think he has special level) doesn't translate into what wins for this team.  I think you know that.  $8 mil could be used for a few decent free agents at other spots... you could sign  two vets for half of that and get similar production. Maybe even different type skills.   Just not a good investment. 

I can see them drafting a RB in round two. Have him for 3-4 years and draft another to keep the money low at this position.

 

Interesting thought I heard on the Radio this AM.

What QB in the NFC (other than Brady or Rodgers) would you switch with Hurts and see them doing better? Jimmy G? Maybe, bot I do not think better... Dak? Has better Arm, but creates more turnovers.

   So there really is no one. Having said that, Maybe we can make a push in the NFC this year, assuming all others play to their potential. What say you?

6 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Agreed, that's why I'm not spending money for one RB when I can find 3 of them for half the price.  You aren't thinking KC and Buffalo are favorites because of their RBs.   

Even if we don't win the SB,our record will be good enough to entice players who want to play for a winner. Often times they will even take a little less money to play for a winner. Most teams now going to RBBC, which will actually hurt the stud RB's who are looking for "bell cow" money. So if you want one of those,you need to DRAFT them. Also we will have to PAY 2 QB's. Hurts and whomever we want as our 2. I believe we let Shew go try his hand at starting somewhere like we did with Foles. Someone will take a chance on him, he leaves on good terms,but we still need to find a BU 

46 minutes ago, stine said:

  They are also not scoring at all in 38% of the quarters this year which is lower 25% of the league.

I got tired trying to explain this LOL. SO Stine,this week you and the wife sit on opposite sides of the room LOL

44 minutes ago, stine said:

I can see them drafting a RB in round two. Have him for 3-4 years and draft another to keep the money low at this position.

 

Possible. Having a rough time with that one also. We both agree on DE,DT and a DB,where we differ is RB vs ROT. Love Lane like we all do,but he keeps threatening retirement and we all saw how bad it was with him out. Finding a pro bowl replacement is not going to be easy,we may not find one,solid would be acceptable,but we need to start looking this draft unless we can find  decent ROT in FA,or draft a ROT and find a RB in FA, which is the choice I would make personally. The transition from LOT to ROT is not easy as most think. Whole different array of things you need to be good at. Right now we have 1,1,2,3,7,7. The first 3 can be impact players,round 3 should at least be a decent BU which is where I would assume Howie takes his "value" DB. These old washed up guys are still playing at high levels.  

8 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I got tired trying to explain this LOL. SO Stine,this week you and the wife sit on opposite sides of the room LOL

  Yep, one of us are going to be happy. The other, not so much.....

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Possible. Having a rough time with that one also. We both agree on DE,DT and a DB,where we differ is RB vs ROT. Love Lane like we all do,but he keeps threatening retirement and we all saw how bad it was with him out. Finding a pro bowl replacement is not going to be easy,we may not find one,solid would be acceptable,but we need to start looking this draft unless we can find  decent ROT in FA,or draft a ROT and find a RB in FA, which is the choice I would make personally. The transition from LOT to ROT is not easy as most think. Whole different array of things you need to be good at. Right now we have 1,1,2,3,7,7. The first 3 can be impact players,round 3 should at least be a decent BU which is where I would assume Howie takes his "value" DB. These old washed up guys are still playing at high levels.  

  Well, I think the D-Line will be a priority as that is where HR values round 1 picks the most. So maybe DB/RB or another player of need in rounds 2/3

4 minutes ago, stine said:

  Yep, one of us are going to be happy. The other, not so much.....

Maybe we will tie LOL

3 minutes ago, stine said:

  Well, I think the D-Line will be a priority as that is where HR values round 1 picks the most. So maybe DB/RB or another player of need in rounds 2/3

Maybe one of the 2 additions can stick another year. That would allow a RB draft pick,or we re-sign one of the RB's we have allowing for a ROT pick. But you and I are close as to what needs addressed. Just need more youth infusion

We really need Howie to start addressing DB's in drafts or we will end up like we always do,scraping barrels. We were fortunate Slay and Bradberry and CJG came free for us to grab. Won't have that many times. We hit the trifecta

1 hour ago, stine said:

Interesting thought I heard on the Radio this AM.

What QB in the NFC (other than Brady or Rodgers) would you switch with Hurts and see them doing better? Jimmy G? Maybe, bot I do not think better... Dak? Has better Arm, but creates more turnovers.

   So there really is no one. Having said that, Maybe we can make a push in the NFC this year, assuming all others play to their potential. What say you?

It's amazing how this changes from year to year with QBs.... somehow the supporting cast and the schedule have an impact???  Shocking!

45 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Maybe one of the 2 additions can stick another year. That would allow a RB draft pick,or we re-sign one of the RB's we have allowing for a ROT pick. But you and I are close as to what needs addressed. Just need more youth infusion

Again...  there is more to team building than just the draft.   Also, forget how the picks look now, we all know there will be changes to that with Howie making trades.    

Let the season play out.... then free agency.... then the draft.  Lane is playing 2 more years....it's what he said.   I do think they may go OL with a day 1 or 2 pick.... idk if it's specifically for RT though.  My gut tells me that position gets filled with either a later round pick/ UDFA find ...or a free agent in a year or two.   Either way it works.

12 hours ago, joemas6 said:

8 mil for a RB not top level is dumb

Who’s paying 8 mil for a top level anything?

12 hours ago, joemas6 said:

No you aren't.  What happened in 2017.  What have the Patriots done for years.   SF has been a good running team... how much investing did they do at RB?   A nice committee is enough...especially if you think you have a $50 mil QB

Right now the 16th and 17th RBs make $5.75 and 5.25 million.    If I want a committee, no way I pay $8 mil.     Austin Eckler makes $6.25 mil.  

Too many other needs to use that much cap for a position you can spend 4 mil total.

They brought in McCaffrey?

12 hours ago, joemas6 said:

You can't force yourself into a bad contract  because of " you let him go what do you do"  that compounds things.  That's Alshon, DeSean and Malik all over again.    If you need to take a step back for a year to retool and reshape the cap in your favor... it's the smarter move and better for a young QB you want to have a long successful career.    

I think you are in such a place with Hurts... you are afraid he fails that it means that's it.   Either lower the bar or force things for the short term.  No need for that.  If he is the guy, you can't hand cuff the roster long term.  If anything spend on OL to protect him early.  

Sounds like you are spouting my own theories ….to me.

11 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

How did we underestimate him(Scott) by re-signing him? How was Gainwell "hand picked"?

Siri was here for that selection. Gainwell they were trying to get in committee as 1B or something. Now he’s third string as Scott was underrated but earned the backup gig.Think Sermon might come up and even change that.

1 hour ago, stine said:

  Well, I think the D-Line will be a priority as that is where HR values round 1 picks the most. So maybe DB/RB or another player of need in rounds 2/3

IDK I think DT is another priority add. We have seen how bad we are without Davis at stopping the run and IDK if there will be a decent ROT in the draft near where be pick. We really have no found and adequate BU for Lane,so I would like to get a young good prospect in to replace him. So edge,DT,ROT and DB I would look at before RB. We need the Saints to lose alot,that would give Howie a chance to move back from the firtst pick,get our guy and add the extra position we need(either RB or OT) I see 5 needs with 4 picks as of now. See NP picking up a guy say like Marlon Mack(he's over the hill at 26 lol) or similar in the off season

2 hours ago, stine said:

Interesting thought I heard on the Radio this AM.

What QB in the NFC (other than Brady or Rodgers) would you switch with Hurts and see them doing better? Jimmy G? Maybe, bot I do not think better... Dak? Has better Arm, but creates more turnovers.

   So there really is no one. Having said that, Maybe we can make a push in the NFC this year, assuming all others play to their potential. What say you?

The mind boggler for me is Carr. He has players now and can't do squat/struggles. Flashes of brilliance last year when he had worse players. I'm not understand this at all. IDK why the 9ers keep trying to lose Jimmy. All he does is win games for them(against good teams too) 

56 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Lane is playing 2 more years

If he doesn't get hurt and as I said we really have no adequate BU I can see, some RG's trying to play RT. iI we get to a SB does Kelce retire? I believe he would want to go out on a high note. I hope Jurgens is ready to go

23 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Siri was here for that selection. Gainwell they were trying to get in committee as 1B or something. Now he’s third string as Scott was underrated but earned the backup gig.Think Sermon might come up and even change that.

Gainwell is Cox's cousin. He was only a 5th round pick,it's not like we broke the bank here. He will hang around in the event we lose 2 at once. We're not paying him much-keep. Unless he needs cut for someone else. I was anxious to see Sermon play but he has not.Insurance mostly is what he is. He was "ok" at OSU. Not a stand out,but usable. I could see Marlon Mack being grabbed in the off season. I know he is over the hill at 26, but he'd be cheap enough as a RBBC RB. Knows Siri already if we can't/Don't want to sigh Sanders/Scott again