14 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Ham, what was your perception of our run defense vs Washington?  

What were their yards per carry?

Do both things seem to go together?

So " yards per carry"  we sneak an awful lot.  We are good in short yardage.  That kinda lowers " yards per carry"

Yet under your boy AR...we have good " yards per carry"   how did that help?

So we run in short yardage massively more than the rest of the teams us your theory? Most teams pass when needing one yard? Don’t see it. Just see that we convert at a higher rate. Not buying this argument. If you can point out how we’ve been in short yardage situations thirty times more than any other team I will adjust for that.

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

What is the flaw of logic that shows correlation between line of scrimmage and winning?

Explain the flaw...you haven't pointed out jack squat as to any flaws in that. You spit stats.. I'm saying wins.

So when our Oline gives up sacks and isn’t creating consistent yard per carry opportunities…..are losing their matchup against the Dline. To you….that’s means wins?

We beat the Colts. But it wasn’t because of our vaunted Oline. They got beat. Only stuff working was going around outside.

6 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Yes..the RB doesn't translate anymore. It's a passing league

Yep, been passing era for a long time in the league now. Defenses have adapted. Smaller LBs that can cover is more important. Pass rusher is more important. Exactly why I seeing being physical and running working. Paying all this money to everybody on D based on their pass D. That’s why most teams are so susceptible to the run. These speedy coverage LBs can’t hold up nearly like the old LBs against straight forward brute strength. Dline also. Just look at us. Hargrave hasn’t met a lane he’ll fill to effect the run. He just shoots the gap. Teams run all over us. Can beat us because they control the ball doing it.

10 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Yeah

So everybody else passes for that one yard? You’ll have to back this up with stats. Not the games I’m seeing.

5 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

So when our Oline gives up sacks and isn’t creating consistent yard per carry opportunities…..are losing their matchup against the Dline. To you….that’s means wins?

We beat the Colts. But it wasn’t because of our vaunted Oline. They got beat. Only stuff working was going around outside.

So ... do we have the best OL.. you say yes for 6th time.  We also have the best record. 

So ... all the other OLs are doing the same bad things.... but more so it seems .

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/highest-4th-down-conversion-rate-nfl

9 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

That we have the best OL...yet you don't want to invest in it. You would prefer to invest in Sanders?

We are giving up a ton of sacks. Not getting the yards per carry. Losing that trench matchup too much. How many teams does our best Oline not win the trench matchup against? Tampa we saw. Colts we saw. Niners we saw. I mean If our investment is so great. We achieve the best. Yet can’t rely on them winning or even dominating versus all these DLines. Then gotta reconsider old school thinking at this point. Sacked 26 times while having the best Oline. I don’t know. Seems like a bad investment then. I never thought this way before. But recent invents are showing me things have changed. 

6 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Teams run all over us. Can beat us because they control the ball doing it.

That's a D line issue?

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Sacked 26 times

1 read and indecision by your QB?? This is why I want him to grow into QUICK multiple reads and get the ball out, even if you have to throw it away

3 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

So ... do we have the best OL.. you say yes for 6th time.  We also have the best record. 

So ... all the other OLs are doing the same bad things.... but more so it seems .

Giving up 26 sacks. Yards per carry a yard less than it should be. I’m not sure I can say the Oline is why we are winning. In fact I’d say they got whooped against the Colts embarrassingly. No way they are why we won. Didn’t ever open anything in the middle. So if they lose their matchup. They don’t win their one on ones. How are we winning because of them? Now sometimes we do. But Hurts carried us to sneak by the Colts. Best Oline lost against that Dline. They didn’t correlate to our victory. Just facts and truth. Can’t say they dominating and won that game. 

3 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

That's a D line issue?

Hargrave and Cox been terrible against the run in this D. Add in our team tacking been terrible also…to be fair. Traded up to draft the run stuffer. Just picked up to run stuffers to fix things. So yep. Clearly a Dline issue.

I mean it's uncanny that you see ONE of the WR's have a good game but the others stink,then next week it's someone else,that is 1 read and while at times you have a great match-up somewhere there is zero way AJ should get 7 yards in ANY game

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Hargrave and Cox been terrible against the run in this D. Add in our team tacking been terrible also…to be fair. Traded up to draft the run stuffer. Just picked up to run stuffers to fix things. So yep. Clearly a Dline issue.

Yes, I agree tackling has been very poor

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Hargrave and Cox been terrible against the run in this D. Add in our team tacking been terrible also…to be fair. Traded up to draft the run stuffer. Just picked up to run stuffers to fix things. So yep. Clearly a Dline issue.

But you mentioned both lines in the same post lol,so IDK we were talking about the O line,and that shifted to D line

20 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

That we have the best OL...yet you don't want to invest in it. You would prefer to invest in Sanders?

Let’s not turn things around like that. We aren’t getting the results enough from the best Oline. So things have changed in this league. Our guys have games they completely dominate….no doubt. But looking at several teams we can’t count on the top Oline to win their matchup in the trenches. 

4 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Hargrave and Cox been terrible against the run in this D. Add in our team tacking been terrible also…to be fair. Traded up to draft the run stuffer. Just picked up to run stuffers to fix things. So yep. Clearly a Dline issue.

Right and why Joe and I both say rebuilding the lines is the priority.both O and D

21 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

What is the flaw of logic that shows correlation between line of scrimmage and winning?

Explain the flaw...you haven't pointed out jack squat as to any flaws in that. You spit stats.. I'm saying wins.

I pointed out Cincy. Oline was terrible . Was just in the SB.

15 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

1 read and indecision by your QB?? This is why I want him to grow into QUICK multiple reads and get the ball out, even if you have to throw it away

Total crap. You still calling him a one read QB. False narrative. You go out of your way to blame Hurts for everything. I’ll be fair and admit he’s not perfect. But he’s actually had what I consideredgreat plays…by just escaping the onslaught and throwing it away. You just tear him down for lower completion percentage. But specifics do matter. Hurts isn’t to blame for everything. Kind of just growing so tired of your answer being mislabeling our QB1 and blaming him for everything. Just too low football knowledge thinking for me to even keep responding. 

19 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

1 read and indecision by your QB?? This is why I want him to grow into QUICK multiple reads and get the ball out, even if you have to throw it away

One read and run….but he’s indecisive and staying back to get sacked? These statements don’t even add up. Is he constantly indecisive looking through his reads and holding the ball like Wentz? One read and run sure isn’t Indecisive. Can’t cause sacks. I completely crap all this down right now. I think Hurts strength…is being very decisive. Quick decisions he excels at. Not a liability like you claim…elite level ability at it. You want him to stop just doing one read creating sacks….and go through his progressions. Somehow that adds up to less time holding the ball somehow to you?  He goes through multiple reads. Depends on playcall. But just dumb statement to say Hurts is causing sacks by only doing one read….that he needs to go through more reads to somehow get the ball out quicker. Makes absolutely no sense. On top of that a completely false narrative. You win the dumbest post of the day award. Doubt that gets topped.

47 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

What is the flaw of logic that shows correlation between line of scrimmage and winning?

Explain the flaw...you haven't pointed out jack squat as to any flaws in that. You spit stats.. I'm saying wins.

The flaw is plain as day. You have done nothing but dance around my points the whole time. Says enough right there. Otherwise you would have just answers.

29 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I mean it's uncanny that you see ONE of the WR's have a good game but the others stink,then next week it's someone else,that is 1 read and while at times you have a great match-up somewhere there is zero way AJ should get 7 yards in ANY game

Yes, I agree tackling has been very poor

Actually that’s matchups, right?

31 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I mean it's uncanny that you see ONE of the WR's have a good game but the others stink,then next week it's someone else,that is 1 read and while at times you have a great match-up somewhere there is zero way AJ should get 7 yards in ANY game

Yes, I agree tackling has been very poor

I see it as Goedert, AJ or DeVonta have some matchups they have just completely outclassed their opponent. So go there this game. They double AJ and leave a weak starting corner against Smith. Go there. Again and again.

Washington just held the ball so much. What we usually do to everybody else. I’ve explained how that works to win. Not all about posting stats and points. Chip Kelly O always wins that battle. But losses games too much. AJ also was hurt. They obviously want to keep things under wraps about it as much as they can. But I’m not blaming anybody for his seven yards…well maybe the D a bit.

55 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

What is the flaw of logic that shows correlation between line of scrimmage and winning?

Explain the flaw...you haven't pointed out jack squat as to any flaws in that. You spit stats.. I'm saying wins.

So we were better than Cincy last year then right?

Their Oline was terrible. Ours the best. 

All about Oline correlating to wins though you say

Our Oline got killed against Vea. Embarrasing

49 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

So ... do we have the best OL.. you say yes for 6th time.  We also have the best record. 

So ... all the other OLs are doing the same bad things.... but more so it seems .

So Rams we’re best Oline last year? Bucs before that. On and on. Don’t think so.

36 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Right and why Joe and I both say rebuilding the lines is the priority.both O and D

Dline no doubt. I can clearly see the effects dominating DLines have on games.

I’m making the point that several DLines in the league win the matchup versus our best Oline. So that investment pays off clearly.