17 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Both Jaws and McNabb were saying to scrap the RPO... if you are telling your QB not to get hit....why run it.    Makes no sense. 

I agree... plus as they said, he needs to worry about the pass game... he can run if he gets flushed out, as a last option.

RPO can be more hand off or pass. I totally agree on cutting back on Hurts taking hits. But the passing game clearly needs help. Playcalling needs help. Johnson just missing to many details I think. Hard to put an exact finger on all the issues. 
  But if you get the play in early..then line up while still having time left for the coach to give instruction based on playcall on O versus reading the D. Forget exact time rules. But coach gets cutoff earlier than just the playclock. That’s one area. That’s if Johnson is reading things well enough himself. I usually assume any NFL OC should be good at doing.

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

RPO can be more hand off or pass. I totally agree on cutting back on Hurts taking hits. But the passing game clearly needs help. Playcalling needs help. Johnson just missing to many details I think. Hard to put an exact finger on all the issues. 

Your passing game is limited with the RPO though… can’t do many different routes since the OL is generally blocking like it’s a run. So if the pass isn’t off quick illegal man downfield happens a ton.
Would definitely like to see us get away from the RPO more not completely get rid of of but don’t lean on it as much either 

But is he an NFL OC? I was calling for his head in the NE game, shrugged it off as him being a newbie. Then this game. If he can't get it going vs TB he has to relinquish play calling

Playcalling revolves around setting things up so much. Calling a play thinking about how you’ll come back and show the same but counter the play. Getting the D off balance and conflicted also. Predicting the D call with a great O play to optimally beat that D. Then there is just observing what’s taking place. When it’s time your QB should go for it…and when he maybe needs a little confidence booster to get rolling. But been looking too predictable so far. First game needed to utilize Goedert YAC ability. Second game practically told everybody going to make up for Goedert not seeing the ball. Week three the obvious is force feeding AJ now. Those guys are great players. They can do it as the expected option. But much easier with balance offsetting.

4 minutes ago, mjkline1958 said:

But is he an NFL OC? I was calling for his head in the NE game, shrugged it off as him being a newbie. Then this game. If he can't get it going vs TB he has to relinquish play calling

I didn’t think much would change with such a short week… will give the nod that atleast they seen the ground game was working and actually rode it to a the win…But if there are going to be some schanges to the passing attack week 3 would be the game 

5 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Your passing game is limited with the RPO though… can’t do many different routes since the OL is generally blocking like it’s a run. So if the pass isn’t off quick illegal man downfield happens a ton.
Would definitely like to see us get away from the RPO more not completely get rid of of but don’t lean on it as much either 

Yes I noticed a few times already I don’t believe Hurts could throw based on an Oline downfield. They tightened up on that penalty. Oline not real tight yet this season. One of the most surprising things this season so far from us. It’s still very early. Two games I’m not getting crazy about. But if the whole massive investment is focused on the line…then they need to perform well. Disappointing start from those guys.

6 minutes ago, mjkline1958 said:

But is he an NFL OC? I was calling for his head in the NE game, shrugged it off as him being a newbie. Then this game. If he can't get it going vs TB he has to relinquish play calling

To who?

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

To who?

He’s gotta be the guy. Whatever they need to figure it all out has to happen.

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

But if the whole massive investment is focused on the line…then they need to perform well. Disappointing start from those guys.

Is this all that surprising though they didn’t play much together in the preseason they are still working some of the kinks out as well…. Plus you have the new guy Jurgens…. Definitely see they are dominating still as a run blocking unit 

Will say I’ve liked what I’ve seen mostly from Desai the new DC early but he seems like an improvement over Gannon.

Secondary been a bit shaky but lot of new faces and he already dealing with injuries… but unit is still finding ways to make plays 

29 minutes ago, mjkline1958 said:

But is he an NFL OC? I was calling for his head in the NE game, shrugged it off as him being a newbie. Then this game. If he can't get it going vs TB he has to relinquish play calling

I know it's ugly,but we're 2-0

33 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Your passing game is limited with the RPO though… can’t do many different routes since the OL is generally blocking like it’s a run. So if the pass isn’t off quick illegal man downfield happens a ton.
Would definitely like to see us get away from the RPO more not completely get rid of of but don’t lean on it as much either 

Not really a fan of the RPO as most know. I would opt to move to play action instead of the RPO(similar but different). I think it's a small adjustment that needs done

https://www.viqtorysports.com/play-action-rpo-read-option/

1 hour ago, mjkline1958 said:

For a while seemed like Hurts was frustrated w/ the passing game and took it upon himself until we got the running game going.

When Siri first came it was so pass heavy. Then switched to let our Oline attack and beat up the defenders first more. I really believe in the physical advantage our Oline and two TE set excels so much delivering. Just total different mentality going backwards pass blocking than charging full ahead trying to maul. Mailata, Dickerson and Lane hitting the defense wears them down/slows them down. Maybe takes a slight blip off their pass rush get offs towards us even. Defensive players want to hit and punish. They don’t like them being the target. Whole mentality

38 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Will say I’ve liked what I’ve seen mostly from Desai the new DC early but he seems like an improvement over Gannon.

Secondary been a bit shaky but lot of new faces and he already dealing with injuries… but unit is still finding ways to make plays 

Pleasantly surprised. Wasn’t big on the hire. Wanted Fangio. But he really is lacking the tools. Doing decent cobbling together.

LB room is really weak. S room is lacking.

Gannon was supposed to be the Secondary guru. But Desai looking like he getting young guys to look good. No faith in backups under Gannon. Jobe, Goodrich maybe Ricks look at least serviceable.

Got Ellis and Cunningham looking like actual LB. Dean was off to a great start. Blankenship turned into Pro Bowl possibility player.

Looking like Swiss cheese pass D at the end of these first two games though. Terrible!

Rosie giving him two over thirty CBs and Maddox to work with other than Dline just isn’t very workable. Can’t field a real D off that!

Dean first action. Then force Desai to scrap a starting LB off the street leftovers. Plus a ST specialist.

You can see Desai needs three S looks. Believe he can disguise and kick butt if he had them. He got one undrafted second year gem

1 hour ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Gainwell was better v the Giants last year as well.

Final game v the Giants 

Gainwell 5 carry’s 35 yards 7 ypc

Scotf 9 54 yards 6ypc 

Giants playoffs

Gainwell 12 112 yards 9ypc 

Scott 6 32 yards 5.3ypc

Yeah... Scott gets a little more work vs the Giants.  

1 hour ago, mjkline1958 said:

Unfortunately dem boyz look good from the start.

As per usual...."  it's their year ... this time it's different "  the motto every September. 

Whole idea and plan for D by Rosie is all Dline. Trenches will dictate and control the game. But you need LB and S to make the tackles behind that against the run. The plan of giving obvious gimme passing opportunities anywhere in the middle makes any opponent confident. Pair that with just giving up known quick hitters against the corners. Because Siri won’t allow Press and Jamming basically by his stated known core football D philosophy. So unleash the waves of pass rush while telegraphing easy gimme quick passing game. Great combo! Not! If it’s all about the line pass rush? Then you need to challenge the receivers. They can’t just be free to run timing routes. Don’t let QBs get the ball out so quick. No easy quick timing allowed. Gotta make the QB hold the ball that extra second. Allow that investment a chance to disrupt and make that philosophy pay off. QBs then gotta anticipate and just chuck it up hoping it works out or run for their lives.