22 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

When Siri first came it was so pass heavy. Then switched to let our Oline attack and beat up the defenders first more. I really believe in the physical advantage our Oline and two TE set excels so much delivering. Just total different mentality going backwards pass blocking than charging full ahead trying to maul. Mailata, Dickerson and Lane hitting the defense wears them down/slows them down. Maybe takes a slight blip off their pass rush get offs towards us even. Defensive players want to hit and punish. They don’t like them being the target. Whole mentality

Then why are they letting Hurts get hit 14 times/game? We're not the only team trying to get to the opponents' QB and they're succeeding. No wonder the passing game's off.

Already seeing the blueprint has been written on our D. Beat the great pass rush with quick passing. No concern about coverage over the middle being tight. Gives any decent QB confidence.

2 minutes ago, mjkline1958 said:

Then why are they letting Hurts get hit 14 times/game? We're not the only team trying to get to the opponents' QB and they're succeeding. No wonder the passing game's off.

What I was saying seemed like a dumb plan all along this season. I was thinking the idea should be more based on just doing as much as possible to limit and protect Hurts to get him to the end at his best.

1 hour ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Your passing game is limited with the RPO though… can’t do many different routes since the OL is generally blocking like it’s a run. So if the pass isn’t off quick illegal man downfield happens a ton.
Would definitely like to see us get away from the RPO more not completely get rid of of but don’t lean on it as much either 

The RPO to me is a ploy to keep your QB from making multiple or complicated reads.    Read one thing and do one of of two things..

To me that isn't what a pro QB should be doing.  It's amateur stuff.   Use it a few times...but now you are limiting your QB.

They said Foles inconsistency was based off of his excellent ability to make the first or second read...if the play calls were having option 1 open, he would excel.  He struggled when 1st read was covered and check down didn't do enough.

As a QB, you gotta see the field.  Can't miss a wide open player if he option #3.  

Reading the D quickly is a basic QB skill.  We did growing up in the back yard.  Pro defenses obviously more complex...so should the pro QB's mind be thst much more skilled and fast at reading them.   

This should evolve....this is my problem with a guy who runs RPOs all his life and gets limited on his decisions...see 1st guy and check down or run...that isn't going to develop the skill of reading a defense.  

Hurts is excellent athlete...put him back there and let him read a defense....he can escape from the DL..so let him develop that skill to hang in and make the reads.

Hurts taking huge punishment the first few games is terrible. Even by winning we lose by that happening.

At least it seems clear they’ve stressed to Hurts to just go down and not try to take hits. A three yard loss can come back and overcome. But he’s a competitor. Twice specifically I’ve noticed on third downs…he lowered his shoulder to make it to the sticks. He won’t pull up on those. 

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Hurts taking huge punishment the first few games is terrible. Even by winning we lose by that happening.

Yea....stop running designed QB runs or RPOs where the defense makes him want to keep it.

I prefer he runs on a pass play as a last resort...  he can scramble out of bounds and also pick up more yards.  

I don't need him getting 4 yards and tackled like a RB...  run for 12 yards and out of bounds on a scramble 

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

Yea....stop running designed QB runs or RPOs where the defense makes him want to keep it.

I prefer he runs on a pass play as a last resort...  he can scramble out of bounds and also pick up more yards.  

I don't need him getting 4 yards and tackled like a RB...  run for 12 yards and out of bounds on a scramble 

Play action better than RPO,but IDK how good Hurts is faking a hand off because it's a rare occurrence

10 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Already seeing the blueprint has been written on our D. Beat the great pass rush with quick passing. No concern about coverage over the middle being tight. Gives any decent QB confidence.

Seems like this has been forever ???   Frustrating.  

9 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

What I was saying seemed like a dumb plan all along this season. I was thinking the idea should be more based on just doing as much as possible to limit and protect Hurts to get him to the end at his best.

Yeah....don't call QB runs.   

1 hour ago, mjkline1958 said:

But is he an NFL OC? I was calling for his head in the NE game, shrugged it off as him being a newbie. Then this game. If he can't get it going vs TB he has to relinquish play calling

59 points in 2 games ...I think it's a decent start. 

Heck I even went so far to suggest if QB1 takes too many hits early games to rest him a game on purpose. Week 7 I think is the Dolphins. If this rate of punishment continues on Hurts I want to give Mariota week 7. Healthy scratch Hurts to recover. Not just that one even. Considering two games. I look at it like I’d rather a healthy as possible Hurts being last playoff seed than second seed with him hobbling or worse. Don’t see him surviving 20 games like this. Very unlikely. 

Just now, joemas6 said:

59 points in 2 games ...I think it's a decent start. 

My 30 PPG average LOL

BTW Elliott is a stud

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Yes I noticed a few times already I don’t believe Hurts could throw based on an Oline downfield. They tightened up on that penalty. Oline not real tight yet this season. One of the most surprising things this season so far from us. It’s still very early. Two games I’m not getting crazy about. But if the whole massive investment is focused on the line…then they need to perform well. Disappointing start from those guys.

Disappointed with the OL last night? Didn't they pretty much dominate??? 

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Heck I even went so far to suggest if QB1 takes too many hits early games to rest him a game on purpose. Week 7 I think is the Dolphins. If this rate of punishment continues on Hurts I want to give Mariota week 7. Healthy scratch Hurts to recover. Not just that one even. Considering two games. I look at it like I’d rather a healthy as possible Hurts being last playoff seed than second seed with him hobbling or worse. Don’t see him surviving 20 games like this. Very unlikely. 

So stop calling QB runs.  Not complicated.   Why treat him differently than the other $250 mil plus QBs.    He should be paid on his ability to read a Defense and throw the ball.   Let him do that.....so he develops those skills.  No more playing like a RB. Except for sneaks. 

Don't understand how both these teams could cover downfield and overpower our OL. I saw them load the box yet nobody was open. Where were the slants or Goedert up the middle? 

4 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

So stop calling QB runs.  Not complicated.   Why treat him differently than the other $250 mil plus QBs.    He should be paid on his ability to read a Defense and throw the ball.   Let him do that.....so he develops those skills.  No more playing like a RB. Except for sneaks. 

Hurts messes with my head. At times he looks lost,then he tosses a gorgeous rainbow pass(which I'd like to see more of)

NE played a LOT of man

38 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Looking like Swiss cheese pass D at the end of these first two games though. Terrible!

Yeah....missing 5 starters..... imagine that... yet Dallas was already in trouble because of one guy???

Let's relax.   At this point... we aren't going to win a championship 10-7.   It's going to be a shootout.    These young kids are going to have to develop this year... growing pains are coming.  We know this...last night they forced some turnovers...good sign.  The two Georgia studs developing is huge for present and future. 

1 minute ago, mjkline1958 said:

Don't understand how both these teams could cover downfield and overpower our OL. I saw them load the box yet nobody was open. Where were the slants or Goedert up the middle? 

I don't recall any targets to the slot,really we need to mix the plays up more

1 minute ago, mjkline1958 said:

NE played a LOT of man

Forces the QB to make multiple reads.

4 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Seems like this has been forever ???   Frustrating.  

Under Siri been real obvious. First whatever games he arrived they torched us doing this. Playoff game dissected us doing it. Super Bowl it was so easy we didn’t even slow them down. Only way to beat a great pass rush is get the ball out quick. Exactly what we keep telegraphing we’ll allow. Might need Siri to reconsider his core philosophy on things here. Chance giving up big plays more. But they only happen by a QB holding the ball longer and chucking it with a guy in his grill. With that pass just hoping his receiver gets open and wins instead of seeing it and throwing to that guy. Sure they’ll catch some deep bombs that way. But creates more blind interception opportunities as well. Clearly generates the opportunity for the Dline to disrupt and make plays. Which is the whole D philosophy approach. Don’t give up the plays our Dline can’t effect because the balls out too quick. Gotta try and give them the extra second that you rely on they’ll get it done. Most QB can hit the timing route five yard slant plays easy. Much harder to throw that accurate connection if the receiver gets disrupted even a little.

2 minutes ago, mjkline1958 said:

Don't understand how both these teams could cover downfield and overpower our OL. I saw them load the box yet nobody was open. Where were the slants or Goedert up the middle? 

I didn't see the beginning. But I saw a couple sacks where Hurts just held the ball.  One Dickerson pushed the guy into Mailata, and actually gave the defender extra leverage..and went right into Hurts.     Hurts needs this.... he needs to learn the pocket presence. Being the best athlete all his life where plan b is to run out...this is why I think he is behind on some of these basics. 

 

I complain,but they are hitting my 30 PPG target,so I can't complain. That will get tougher to do. Slay said the secondary room is tight,they are all working hard. Like Joe said growing pains,but they made some nice plays also. Looks like we are going to need them