I’m not seeing Jones being an upgrade over Hurts. Maybe I’m missing things.

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I’m not seeing Jones being an upgrade over Hurts. Maybe I’m missing things.

Could be... let's see 

This is a good article describing our cap situation.

Players the Eagles can cut, trade, or restructure to clear cap space in 2021 - Bleeding Green Nation

Basically, if we release Ertz, Malik Jackson, Jeffery and Goodwin, we are around $13 million over the cap.

The next obvious move to me is signing Barnett to a long-term deal to lower his $10 million cap hit. I think they also need to do something with Graham's contract, which should get us under the cap for this year. Kelce retiring is the other possibility.

Overall, it will be a pretty painful year, but also a good chance to see some young players on both sides of the ball. We aren't really losing anyone crucial, and getting a lot of bad contracts off the books. 

54 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

We will see on the field.  

Jones ——   2,900 yards 11 TDs and 10 interceptions 

17 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Could be... let's see 

We're getting Jones?

2 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Just busting stones.... I hope every draft gives youth and talent.   Although I guess technically didn't we draft the fireman guy that was like 29 or so?   

Danny Watkins. 

40 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Jones ——   2,900 yards 11 TDs and 10 interceptions 

Lets review in a year.

42 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

This is a good article describing our cap situation.

Players the Eagles can cut, trade, or restructure to clear cap space in 2021 - Bleeding Green Nation

Basically, if we release Ertz, Malik Jackson, Jeffery and Goodwin, we are around $13 million over the cap.

The next obvious move to me is signing Barnett to a long-term deal to lower his $10 million cap hit. I think they also need to do something with Graham's contract, which should get us under the cap for this year. Kelce retiring is the other possibility.

Overall, it will be a pretty painful year, but also a good chance to see some young players on both sides of the ball. We aren't really losing anyone crucial, and getting a lot of bad contracts off the books. 

We can easily get under the cap, the trick will be at what cost going forward.    

1. Barnett, extending him saves about $7 mil... but is going to add him to the books down the line.  good or bad?    He won't be cheap
2. Graham, will be one of the ones they think about extending.... again, it adds to future years now   (Cox, Lane, Brooks, Hargrave and Slay are the rest of the guys they could extend to save this year, Seamulo is one too, but cap savings would be little.  
3. Kelce retiring wouldn't help unless it was a post June 1 retirement, so doesn't help us get under, but would open up new money to spend after June.   Not sure who is left at that point, but it's a few mil.  

I think Hargrave is the one that makes the most sense looking at age and cap savings.    Pick #6 is slotted as a $3.3 mil cap hit, with the current total without making trades is over $9.7 mil.  

Basically Howie is going to have to find around another $30 mil of cap space to function this year.  Hopefully without pushing too much down the road for guys that may not be here next year.  If the idea were to maybe try to trade some guys before the deadline this year, you want to be able to do it without making it way worse in 2022.     We will have plenty of cap room in 2022, but so will everyone else.  If we have a bad year, will be tough getting free agents unless we overpay.  Reputation right now around the league could take even worse of a hit depending on how things go.  Publicly guys will say all the right things, just like Wentz, Ertz and Jenkins... but behind the scenes everyone knows what's up.    

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I’m not going to say Sanders is Barkley...but Sanders is really a quality weapon. I’m actually pretty glad they haven’t used him much to this point. He wasn’t used much in college. Gotta a lot of thick tread on those tires.

I'll agree but i'll take a pre injury barkley if for no other reason than he's a powerful runner.

Sanders injuries are troubling though

5 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

We can easily get under the cap, the trick will be at what cost going forward.    

1. Barnett, extending him saves about $7 mil... but is going to add him to the books down the line.  good or bad?    He won't be cheap

His estimated value is $7 million a year. With the salary cap dropping and a bunch of DEs hitting free agency, as well as the draft featuring a bunch of solid prospects, they should be able to reach a reasonable deal with him. If not, I am fine with letting him walk. I see him as a decent player, but not someone you overpay for. Something like a three-year, $20 million deal, with cap hits of $2 million, $9 million and $9 million.

2. Graham, will be one of the ones they think about extending.... again, it adds to future years now   (Cox, Lane, Brooks, Hargrave and Slay are the rest of the guys they could extend to save this year, Seamulo is one too, but cap savings would be little.

Graham is essentially in the last year of his contract, and I could see him signing an extension to lower his cap hit this year in exchange for some gtd. money and adding two more years. He made the pro bowl, but again the market for DEs is going to be somewhat depressed, so they should be able to reach middle ground. I wouldn't do anything with Brooks and Lane. Cox and Hargrave are good candidates for restructures. I would rather extend defensive linemen than offensive guys since they don't play as many snaps. Plus Lane and Brooks have struggled with injuries, so maybe best to let them play out their deals. Plus, I feel like we have better depth on oline than the dline right now. 

  
3. Kelce retiring wouldn't help unless it was a post June 1 retirement, so doesn't help us get under, but would open up new money to spend after June.   Not sure who is left at that point, but it's a few mil.

Yup, we should be able to squeeze under the cap by the deadline. And then we have to free up at least $15 million after that, which we should be able to do with restructures to Cox and Hargrave, plus our savings with Kelce. I would also restructure Slay, since if he loses a step, he can move to safety. 

I think Hargrave is the one that makes the most sense looking at age and cap savings.    Pick #6 is slotted as a $3.3 mil cap hit, with the current total without making trades is over $9.7 mil.  

Basically Howie is going to have to find around another $30 mil of cap space to function this year. 

Yup, and it shouldn't be too difficult. Cox and Graham are two guys you want to keep around. If we can add some talent to the back seven, we should have a decent defense. Obviously on offense we have a huge question mark at QB. But our oline depth is really good, so that's a huge part of the equation solved.   

 

I don’t think extending Graham is a great idea. Hargrave really didn’t show me reasons to extend him either. Barnett makes a ton of sense. Hope for the best. Slay I’d consider heavily. Obviously DJax, Malik, Ertz, Alshon.....all leaving

If you let Graham go you get at least a fourth round comp pick

For the Kyle Pitts fans.

Dane Brugler on Twitter: "Kyle Pitts, man. Kelvin Joseph is a high-level athlete at CB and 240+ pound Pitts separates and then hits another gear to finish. This guy is just different. #CheatCode https://t.co/scPnPnlyzx" / Twitter

This is him running right by Kelvin Joseph, who is rapidly rising up draft boards (and makes sense for us in the second round.)

A lot of teams aren't even listing Pitts as a TE, and are considering him to be a wr only. It will be interesting to see where he ends up going. 

 

1 hour ago, jsb235 said:

 

Barnett..

How do construct a contract that is 3 years $20 mil ...  that counts vs the cap $2 mil, 9 mil , 9 mil?    You giving him a $3 mil signing bonus with year one salary  being $1 mil?  $4 mil up front, that's it?   His agent will laugh at that one.  I get your idea, but in reality it's going to be a 5 year deal so that they can spread the signing bonus 1/5th each year, it's the way to get the low cap hit this year.  I think you will be close, but there will be dead cap hit for years 4 and 5 if it's a 3 year deal, at his age I think they go 5 years.  Otherwise,  he should want to go on the open market

Graham... idk if he is a guy you want for multiple years at this point. I think it's eating money down the line do to necessity.  I think it's pick your poison to get under the cap now. I don't think any of the older guys is necessarily the right choice, more so about who works best to save the most space.

The issues people also forget... Goedert and Mailata are entering their final year. To keep them under team control, they may need to be offered deals this year. Once we get closer to the end of the season, they can just wait to go on the open market. That creates a need for more cap space. 

At least we have a cheap QB, maybe 2 of them soon.

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I don’t think extending Graham is a great idea. Hargrave really didn’t show me reasons to extend him either. Barnett makes a ton of sense. Hope for the best. Slay I’d consider heavily. Obviously DJax, Malik, Ertz, Alshon.....all leaving

I don't think any are good choices to extend... but it's necessity now.  

53 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

For the Kyle Pitts fans.

Dane Brugler on Twitter: "Kyle Pitts, man. Kelvin Joseph is a high-level athlete at CB and 240+ pound Pitts separates and then hits another gear to finish. This guy is just different. #CheatCode https://t.co/scPnPnlyzx" / Twitter

This is him running right by Kelvin Joseph, who is rapidly rising up draft boards (and makes sense for us in the second round.)

A lot of teams aren't even listing Pitts as a TE, and are considering him to be a wr only. It will be interesting to see where he ends up going. 

 

I have a lot of reasons for wanting this kid to succeed. Exciting times for the local community.  Dude was a beast in HS, not surprised at all with his success.  Would hate to see him go to a division rival. 

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Hargrave really didn’t show me reasons to extend him either.

I mean I thought Hargrove showed a ton toward the end of the year. We tend to forget this was a guy who was coming into a new scheme no offseason and got hurt early on. 
 

Yet he still ended the season with 4.5 sacks now is he elite not saying that but definitely a promising guy that should be above Avg. at worst 

18 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Barnett..

How do construct a contract that is 3 years $20 mil ...  that counts vs the cap $2 mil, 9 mil , 9 mil?    You giving him a $3 mil signing bonus with year one salary  being $1 mil?  $4 mil up front, that's it?   His agent will laugh at that one.  I get your idea, but in reality it's going to be a 5 year deal so that they can spread the signing bonus 1/5th each year, it's the way to get the low cap hit this year.  I think you will be close, but there will be dead cap hit for years 4 and 5 if it's a 3 year deal, at his age I think they go 5 years.  Otherwise,  he should want to go on the open market

Yup, they will put in some dummy years. I think $10 million up front gets it done, with a $2 million bonus for each year, and salaries of $1 million, $7 million and $7 million, and two dummy years on the back end (so a $3 million cap hit year 1.) That way if he outperforms his contract, he isn't locked in and will be a free agent at 28. And if he wants more, we can just let him walk for the comp pick. But I don't see anyone giving him more. 

Graham... idk if he is a guy you want for multiple years at this point. I think it's eating money down the line do to necessity.  I think it's pick your poison to get under the cap now. I don't think any of the older guys is necessarily the right choice, more so about who works best to save the most space.

He stays healthy and is still productive. The only question will be how much we want to pay him. It makes a lot of sense for us to keep him around for three more years (if he wants to play that long.) So we take $12 million off his salary and pay that as a bonus over four years, lowering his cap hit this year by $9 million. And then we can pay him salaries of $6 million per year for 2022 and 2023. He gets a $12 million payment, and we have cap hits of $9 million, $14 million, $14 million and a $5.5 million dead cap hit in 2024. It's obviously not great that his salaries the last two years will be that high, but $37 million for three seasons is better than $18 million for one.    

The issues people also forget... Goedert and Mailata are entering their final year. To keep them under team control, they may need to be offered deals this year. Once we get closer to the end of the season, they can just wait to go on the open market. That creates a need for more cap space.

At least we have a cheap QB, maybe 2 of them soon.

I think both guys will be pretty easy to re-sign. Mailata is still a work in progress, so I don't see him breaking the bank in free agency, and Goedert might get hurt by bad qb play. Plus, if both guys have breakout years, you gladly pay them, especially since we will have the money. 

 

2 hours ago, jsb235 said:

 

Absolutely you pay either Goedert or Mailata....  my question is why would they want to stay?   Especially Goedert if effected by poor QB play?    This idea that players will want to play here... if given a choice,  I think people may get a rude awakening.  

The other thing about a guy like Graham.  If he has trade value, he may be on his way out the door come trade deadline..  as may anyone else.  Which may create increased dead money for 2022.   It's why restructuring any of these guys is a tricky thing. 

Pittman not giving up number 11 to Wentz  🤣

4 hours ago, jsb235 said:

For the Kyle Pitts fans.

Dane Brugler on Twitter: "Kyle Pitts, man. Kelvin Joseph is a high-level athlete at CB and 240+ pound Pitts separates and then hits another gear to finish. This guy is just different. #CheatCode https://t.co/scPnPnlyzx" / Twitter

This is him running right by Kelvin Joseph, who is rapidly rising up draft boards (and makes sense for us in the second round.)

A lot of teams aren't even listing Pitts as a TE, and are considering him to be a wr only. It will be interesting to see where he ends up going. 

 

This is my 6 pick, just BRUTAL

3 hours ago, joemas6 said:

I have a lot of reasons for wanting this kid to succeed. Exciting times for the local community.  Dude was a beast in HS, not surprised at all with his success.  Would hate to see him go to a division rival. 

That's my 6 pick lol. IDK if anyone can defend him(I'd love to find out). Homer ontop of that. C'mon Howe make the right call this time

20 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

That's my 6 pick lol. IDK if anyone can defend him(I'd love to find out). Homer ontop of that. C'mon Howe make the right call this time

I'd be happy with him or Parsons. Still think it's gonna be QB though. I hope not! Not in the 1st round.   I like your idea about the QB pick that you posted earlier. 

2 hours ago, EaglesTD123 said:

I'd be happy with him or Parsons. Still think it's gonna be QB though. I hope not! Not in the 1st round.   I like your idea about the QB pick that you posted earlier. 

IMO Parsons would just force teams to throw on us  and we dont have the secondary. Good player,.bad timing

Next up in the Top Six QB Countdown.....Mac Jones.

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/mac-jones-nfl-draft-player-profile-2021/