9 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Not in this case.  If a safety is the best player at 37, that's my pick.   Haven't seen one anywhere near #6.... so it doesn't effect the draft, at all.  

Here is my question reality is you rarely have one player graded that much higher if at all over guys in the draft usually have a list of couple guys. 
 

Eagles are sitting there round 2 got a S and a LB on the board graded equally does the S signing in FA then lean us toward the LB who in theory then should have a larger impact. 

2 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Because we didn't coddle to him and he couldn't take the competition. I think there were many reasons he left, one was he SUCKED DONKEY BALLS and I don't want to hear the bad O line excuse because he was missing wide open guys when he DID have time and tossing uneeded picks when the play was to THROW IT AWAY, but no, trying to play heroball.

Because he wants to compete for a SB, not for a job with a bad team.

You get offered a job with Led Zeppelin or the Beatles... you say no, because I really want to struggle playing the local clubs? 

You see 2020 as the issue...  you miss the big picture that this has been a bad team for 2 years.   Wentz already had to endure the pathetic environment for 2 years.  His favorite coach was in Indy and the GM and owner here so no signs of having a clue as to what to do.   It was an easy decision to make on both ends. Eagles saved cap space in and got picks, Wentz at age 28 goes to have a chance to compete... to win games. It's why athletes like playing. 

2 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Nothing do with trading., he will be a FA after this year if they don't re-sign him. He has stated the teams he would go to IF,IF they were to trade him THIS year(we are not on that list right now)

Wilson is under contract through 2023.  He is a free agent in 2024.    

2 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

If we doing hypotheticals what if the deal is 3 years 35m. 7m in 21 and 14 over 22-23 you mad that that price tag??? Do you know what good CBs go for??? 

If you think a player is good(I do with Adoree) can sign him through his prime make it happen. Let me have Adoree from 25-29 

My question is do we have $7 mil under the cap right now?    After giving the safety $5 mil ( which all counts this year)   

5 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

My question is do we have $7 mil under the cap right now?    After giving the safety $5 mil ( which all counts this year)   

I really have no clue the only people that know for sure our cap situation is the Eagles everything else is more or less guesses 

29 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Trying to do both isn't going to work ...

We don't have a choice Joe, we don't get 11 round 1 picks lol

1 hour ago, stine said:

This organization is in a tail spin. Drafting another QB at 6 will just make it fall that further behind in the rebuild process IMO..... If we have to trade up to grab any QB it will compound the issue. To get a QB worth drafting we would probably have to trade up to get one as many feel the top 3-4 will be gone before we select at 6. We don't know about Hurts yet. We may Think he will or will not perform, but no one knows for sure. Will the new system help or hurt him?

   The better path is to draft Well this year, grabbing players that will help this team moving forward. If hurts stinks, then we will be in the top 10 again so move up next year and grab a QB. Meanwhile we will have something to build on hopefully. Of course BG's reasoning is sound in that the Eagles do not draft anything other than QB or Linemen in the top 10. I am hoping they can figure out that has not worked out all that well and may choose a different strategy.

  We are doomed if we go QB with pick 6. As I have stated before, No QB drafted in the first round between 2009-2016 are with their original team.........

  

I will say...  I agree except where you say that drafting QB or OL early has not worked for the Eagles. 

McNabb,Wentz, Lane, Cox, ... those are the earliest pucks I can remember the last 20 years?   Two franchise QBs and two stud big time impact players on the lines.   

Now that might not translate to this year's draft.  But I won't go by history, more so in the moment,  as a reason not to go those routes.    I still think they want to trade back.  

27 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Not in this case.  If a safety is the best player at 37, that's my pick.   Haven't seen one anywhere near #6.... so it doesn't effect the draft, at all.  

There are 11 draft picks. If you needed a WR or S at 6 and you signed 2 decent FA S's, wouldn't you tend do to take the WR in the draft if you have them ranked evenly??????

21 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Mmmm so Juju is different then Adoree??? That who we were talking about... Nothing to do with the QBs we could trade for who are already under contract 

Stine was talking about the QBs when he mentioned cap space,  where you initially LMAO at him.    But yes Juju and the CB are on similar plains $$ wise  

18 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

You see 2020 as the issue...  you miss the big picture that this has been a bad team for 2 years.

Totally wrong. 2020 is the issue of getting players in here and doing the best you can with them. Just because I am rebuilding doesn't mean I am going to tank 17 games

20 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Here is my question reality is you rarely have one player graded that much higher if at all over guys in the draft usually have a list of couple guys. 
 

Eagles are sitting there round 2 got a S and a LB on the board graded equally does the S signing in FA then lean us toward the LB who in theory then should have a larger impact. 

Idk... I would be excited to take a LB that early though!   

41 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

you mention signing a guy to a one year deal effects your draft? 

Yeah a 1 year for all the reasons  everyone mentioned. You are also assuming we can't sign him again if it mutually works out?????

8 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Idk... I would be excited to take a LB that early though!   

I get your stance don’t pass on S if he is clearly the best player because of Harris but have to also think that if we have players closely graded to each other we would favor the position that would generate the bigger impact especially in the early picks. 

7 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

We don't have a choice Joe, we don't get 11 round 1 picks lol

Yes ....you do.   The draft is al about your future, not this upcoming year for a bad team.   You are a contender,  you then can think about drafting the player who fills the need the upcoming year.    The Eagles need to draft as if they don't have a roster, a need everywhere.   It's why QB could be an option,  even though like I told you my preference that I view QB differently when it comes to BPA.    If anything for me, I look at the roster and see where I have a bunch of youth that may actually develop.   To me that's the WRs, Goedert and Sanders.   Along with giving Hurts a shot.    It's why I would lean towards drafting elsewhere,  especially doing so after a trade back.

I also like Mailata,  Herbig and Driscoll... so not a fan of putting them on the bench.  I would love to see Dillard, Seumalo, Kelce, Herbig, Driscoll  as my OL.    I think the trade pieces would be Lane and Cox at the moment.. not sure if Brooks restructure makes him harder to trade?  Or they just have a bunch of guys they might decide to trade post June to spread the cap hit?  

I would commit 100% to this youth movement,  especially on offense. I think it speeds up the process of competing again, by finding out quicker who we want to keep... while allowing these guys to gel.  

2 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

I get your stance don’t pass on S if he is clearly the best player because of Harris but have to also think that if we have players closely graded to each other we would favor the position that would generate the bigger impact especially in the early picks. 

Right... is that smart due to 29 year old Harris on one year deal? 

16 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

There are 11 draft picks. If you needed a WR or S at 6 and you signed 2 decent FA S's, wouldn't you tend do to take the WR in the draft if you have them ranked evenly??????

I'm not winning this year... and there is no safety ranked up near 6.  So again, in THIS instance,  the Harris signing means zero for me in regards to draft. 

9 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Yeah a 1 year for all the reasons  everyone mentioned. You are also assuming we can't sign him again if it mutually works out?????

Not assuming anything.  Just saying that I am not changing my draft strategy due to this signing.  A championship organization wouldn't do that.   

Did you have safety in any of your mocks in the first few rounds?  If not, then it isn't changing your ideas either ... is it? 

18 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Totally wrong. 2020 is the issue of getting players in here and doing the best you can with them. Just because I am rebuilding doesn't mean I am going to tank 17 games

???     2020 was last year.  I was referring to the guy you said with the donkey balls.   Has nothing to do with tanking 2021.   There needs to be no reason to tank.  There needs to be a reason to get these young guys in there... and needs to be reason to draft according to who you see having the better career, not who has the better 2021. 

10 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

I get your stance don’t pass on S if he is clearly the best player because of Harris but have to also think that if we have players closely graded to each other we would favor the position that would generate the bigger impact especially in the early picks. 

For me BG.    When I am drafting,  it's not a grade or rating.   I have a list... pure vertical order... I  want this guy over that guy.   That decision to me is made already going into the draft. 

The only thing the horizontal rankings do for me is if look to trade up or down.   You can tier players for sure, but you have to have those players already in an order within that tier. 

Harris would not change that for me. A team offering me a trade back a couple spots and if I can or can't still get one of these, then it has an impact.  But I have to draft with the idea that I want this guy for 10 years.  There should be a pecking order there,even with guys in same tier.  That should not change with a Harris signing.

3 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

When I am drafting,  it's not a grade or rating.

This is fine and dandy but most teams have grades or rating whatever you want to call it.

Of course all this is done before the draft but again it begs the question two guys equally tiered graded whatever 1a and 1b however you want to label it. What is the difference between those picks and reality is could be what you have already. 
 

It’s easy to say take BPA but it isn’t black and white lots of greys mixed in on how you define best player 

6 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

This is fine and dandy but most teams have grades or rating whatever you want to call it.

Of course all this is done before the draft but again it begs the question two guys equally tiered graded whatever 1a and 1b however you want to label it. What is the difference between those picks and reality is could be what you have already. 
 

It’s easy to say take BPA but it isn’t black and white lots of greys mixed in on how you define best player 

Yes.... what I have .. longer than a one year deal.    In this instance Harris does not change anything for me.  Two guys on same tier , grade or whatever you want to call it. We can only pick one.  That decision is not effected by Harris,  not for me.   If he was 25 and just signed a 5 year deal, then the LB moves in front.  

9 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

 

It’s easy to say take BPA but it isn’t black and white lots of greys mixed in on how you define best player 

There has never been a gray area for me.   I either want this guy or that guy if both are there and no trade is going to happen.  It's why the grades are ultimately secondary.  In the end, gun pointed at your head who are you taking.... boom,  move on.  5.5, 6 2 7.3 ...etc all meaningless in the final moment. 

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

Yes.... what I have .. longer than a one year deal.    In this instance Harris does not change anything for me.  Two guys on same tier , grade or whatever you want to call it. We can only pick one.  That decision is not effected by Harris,  not for me.   If he was 25 and just signed a 5 year deal, then the LB moves in front.  

So then who would you pick is the question??? Again think it is false to say Harris doesn’t slightly alter that mindset.

For me if I had a S and another position Graded evenly if look at who I thought would provide the bigger impact who can help your team more.

That LB evenly graded with that S likely gets the edge and part of that equation likely has to do with having Harris and McLeod already 

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

There has never been a gray area for me.   I either want this guy or that guy if both are there and no trade is going to happen.  It's why the grades are ultimately secondary.  In the end, gun pointed at your head who are you taking.... boom,  move on.  5.5, 6 2 7.3 ...etc all meaningless in the final moment. 

Lmao this coming from the guy that never picks anyone. You just want BPA it such an easy thing to say though not to do.. Grading players is a massive grey area how do you judge a S vs a Lb you can’t really other aspects come into play 

Again it’s easy to just take your clear cut top guy when it’s just him but that rarely the case you have multiple guys on your boards rated closely or evenly even what are the deciding factors over going that S or that LB 

1 minute ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

So then who would you pick is the question??? Again think it is false to say Harris doesn’t slightly alter that mindset.

For me if I had a S and another position Graded evenly if look at who I thought would provide the bigger impact who can help your team more.

That LB evenly graded with that S likely gets the edge and part of that equation likely has to do with having Harris and McLeod already 

So 2 guys who have good chance of neither of them being here past this season will change your preference?   This to me is a bigger issue of the organization thinks this way.  

Like I said, I would lean towards the LB anyway,  but to me the things we don't see in film,  like the interviews have impact here.  You should always have an order if 2 guys are there. Please don't change due to Harris and McCloud.    Imagine passing on Dawkins for Michael Kendricks ....and the reason was Harris?