1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Honestly,regarding this disagreement. There are many reasons to get a FA. 1) He is an improvement of what you have-short term(right now) or long term(hopefully long term if he is young enough) 2) You can't draft or develop players you DO draft worth a damn(you are HERE!!!!! 💢) 3)You replaced someone who cost you too much money(or wasn't WORTH the money) 4)You found a developmental talent that SHOULD be capable of replacing an aging player down the road(which hopefully goes with #2) IMO one or more of these options WOULD affect my draft, others may NOT

100 %...     and for me .   It only has to be my opinion, everyone is free to disagree.  The Harris signing would fall into the category of NOT effecting my draft.  

S was already low on my list anyway, but I will take a late rounder for long term and let him start on ST.  Harris didn't change that for me.   

For me, where we draft, the home run move is the trade back and getting DL, CB or the LB from Penn State.  For me, it's the best thing to get us back to contending in a few years. 

Tom Pelissero on Twitter: "The #Packers are re-signing CB Kevin King to a one-year, $6 million deal, source said." / Twitter

This is a serious overpay, especially since they are in great position to draft a corner.

At this point, start Craig James, hope the scheme change benefits Michael Jacquet and draft someone in the first three rounds seems like a better plan than seriously overpaying someone.

Though I didn’t see us going Pitts to begin with with his pro day it might be unlikely he falls to 6 anyway.

6’6 240 ran a 4.46 bigger and faster then Mike Evans for comparison. He might be the first skill position player off the board 

Just now, jsb235 said:

At this point, start Craig James, hope the scheme change benefits Michael Jacquet and draft someone in the first three rounds seems like a better plan than seriously overpaying someone.

Hoping to draft a Cb in the 2nd to start still think round 2 is the money round for CB 

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

100 %...     and for me .   It only has to be my opinion, everyone is free to disagree.  The Harris signing would fall into the category of NOT effecting my draft.  

S was already low on my list anyway, but I will take a late rounder for long term and let him start on ST.  Harris didn't change that for me.   

For me, where we draft, the home run move is the trade back and getting DL, CB or the LB from Penn State.  For me, it's the best thing to get us back to contending in a few years. 

For me the devil is in the details. If we had signed him to a 3-4 year, then that WOULD effect it (if I was comfy with the other S's and BU's) A 1 year may have kicked the can down the road, so if I have a S graded the same as a LB, I take the LB if that is a hole that needs filled, however I would not hesitate to take a S with a later pick if that was my BPA and I had other holes filled. Now we all understand we are NOT filling all the holes with 1 draft, thus the contractual FA kicking the can down the road. The hope being we can develop the draftees this year to fill whatever position we got them for.if that is accomplished we are then free to take a S in round 1 the following draft. The key to any decent team is the ability to develop your draft picks.Some teams are great at it,and some are like us. I hope the staff change-up will yield more development than we have seen the past 5 years. First, Howie needs to draft the right guys,which is basically like throwing darts, rather than showing draft skills from a "football guy". SO he will hit on a few.............out of sheer luck,but overall,he stinks

2 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Hoping to draft a Cb in the 2nd to start still think round 2 is the money round for CB 

Samuel, the two Georgia corners, Newsome and Melifonwu are all draftable at 37 IMO. One of them should be there.

4 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

You keep acting like I’m saying they effect the grades no the grades are the grades they are set the roster should have ZERO effect on them.

The way you list them though the roster effects on your final vertical list.

Oh I have 3 guys at different positions with the same grade how do I rank them then???? The roster going to sway the decision simple 

Ok.   And for me  its the young roster,  not a Harris.  And I have said all along...it's if I was making decisions.  I'm not saying right or wrong... nor worrying about the same exact thing you are saying which I have never disagreed...  LMAO.  

Like I'm new... " You know Joe, teams have these things call draft boards and they have these things called grades.   And one guy bends over to grab the ball,  he is called the center,  he proceeds to give the ball to the guy behind him, we call him the Quarterback "    

I've been following the sport since before you were born . I know how it works.  It was a simple statement that at the moment of truth it's a decision about drafting one guy.  They already have their guys in order on each tier before the draft.   I simply said I hope Harris does not change anything.  It may or may not.  You seem to need to have it an absolute that it does.  You have to lump it with every other move on the roster. No kidding the roster effects decisions in the draft, but not everyone on it should.  Harris is one for me, that wouldn't.   It's OK if he does for you.  Neither of us are looking at safety early anyway.  

Just now, jsb235 said:

Samuel, the two George corners, Newsome and Melifonwu are all draftable at 37 IMO. One of them should be there.

Exactly why I think that is the sweet spot for CB should be able to find a starting CB in round 2 to pair with Slay. 

2 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Though I didn’t see us going Pitts to begin with with his pro day it might be unlikely he falls to 6 anyway.

6’6 240 ran a 4.46 bigger and faster then Mike Evans for comparison. He might be the first skill position player off the board 

Hoping to draft a Cb in the 2nd to start still think round 2 is the money round for CB 

I would move up for Pitts if I had to,giving up some 6th's to do it.If Carolina doesn't move to 4, I think we should. Usually I don't feel this strongly about anyone to move up,but for a few 6ths,to move to 4, I would do it for Pitts

2 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

Samuel, the two Georgia corners, Newsome and Melifonwu are all draftable at 37 IMO. One of them should be there.

Yeah Newsome is on my mock, the others are fine also. Just get a decent one in here and I agree 37 is CB all the way, which is why Howie will take a punter

6 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

Tom Pelissero on Twitter: "The #Packers are re-signing CB Kevin King to a one-year, $6 million deal, source said." / Twitter

This is a serious overpay, especially since they are in great position to draft a corner.

At this point, start Craig James, hope the scheme change benefits Michael Jacquet and draft someone in the first three rounds seems like a better plan than seriously overpaying someone.

Maybe they will pull a JOE and pay this guy AND draft one???? LOL

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I would move up for Pitts if I had to,giving up some 6th's to do it.If Carolina doesn't move to 4, I think we should. Usually I don't feel this strongly about anyone to move up,but for a few 6ths,to move to 4, I would do it for Pitts

It would cost you a 3rd round pick to move up to 4. Just a FYI.... no amount of 6th round picks will help here....

2 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I would move up for Pitts if I had to,giving up some 6th's to do it.If Carolina doesn't move to 4, I think we should. Usually I don't feel this strongly about anyone to move up,but for a few 6ths,to move to 4, I would do it for Pitts

It’s going to cost more then 6ths to get to 4.... if you use draft trade chart more like a 2nd just to go up 2 spots 

4 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

You seem to need to have it an absolute that it does.

Because it does all things equal you take the guy who can help you now.. If all things aren’t equal of course you take the best one it isn’t hard to get 

I would stay put and draft the best player at 6. Either Chase or Pitts would be a huge help IMO

4 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

For me the devil is in the details. If we had signed him to a 3-4 year, then that WOULD effect it (if I was comfy with the other S's and BU's) A 1 year may have kicked the can down the road, so if I have a S graded the same as a LB, I take the LB if that is a hole that needs filled, however I would not hesitate to take a S with a later pick if that was my BPA and I had other holes filled. Now we all understand we are NOT filling all the holes with 1 draft, thus the contractual FA kicking the can down the road. The hope being we can develop the draftees this year to fill whatever position we got them for.if that is accomplished we are then free to take a S in round 1 the following draft. The key to any decent team is the ability to develop your draft picks.Some teams are great at it,and some are like us. I hope the staff change-up will yield more development than we have seen the past 5 years. First, Howie needs to draft the right guys,which is basically like throwing darts, rather than showing draft skills from a "football guy". SO he will hit on a few.............out of sheer luck,but overall,he stinks

So to counter...  sometimes what is available in a draft class, can effect who you sign in free agency.     Seems to me, looking at the draft,  and the install of the new system.   Since there doesn't seem to be a safety in position we are going to draft anyway,  and a need to have someone familiar with the system... Harris seems like a good choice to fill in for a year.   They got him cheap too.   So I don't think in the end it really matters.  I think they would take a late round guy anyway if that is the guy they have there.  

3 minutes ago, stine said:

It would cost you a 3rd round pick to move up to 4. Just a FYI.... no amount of 6th round picks will help here....

Well we could do a 6th or 2 and a pick next year or whatever

4 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Maybe they will pull a JOE and pay this guy AND draft one???? LOL

The link says the guy resigned right?  With Green Bay? 

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

So to counter...  sometimes what is available in a draft class, can effect who you sign in free agency.     Seems to me, looking at the draft,  and the install of the new system.   Since there doesn't seem to be a safety in position we are going to draft anyway,  and a need to have someone familiar with the system... Harris seems like a good choice to fill in for a year.   They got him cheap too.   So I don't think in the end it really matters.  I think they would take a late round guy anyway if that is the guy they have there.  

This is why(for me) there is no rush to sign a FA WR. You can argue about "vet presence",but thats why you have coaches. get me a nice solid round 3 WR and I'm fine.I dont need no stinkin vet presence

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

The link says the guy resigned right?  With Green Bay? 

Yeah a 1 year

3 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Because it does all things equal you take the guy who can help you now.. If all things aren’t equal of course you take the best one it isn’t hard to get 

I'll be watching round 5 closely now,if it's a safety,  we know that he was clearly the best player, because the 5th rounder at another spot absolutely would help us more now. 

7 minutes ago, stine said:

It would cost you a 3rd round pick to move up to 4. Just a FYI.... no amount of 6th round picks will help here....

Barnett and a 6th 😀

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

I'll be watching round 5 closely now,if it's a safety,  we know that he was clearly the best player, because the 5th rounder at another spot absolutely would help us more now. 

I found some nice DEVELOPMENTAL S's in round 6 even(one is on my mock) 

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

I'll be watching round 5 closely now,if it's a safety,  we know that he was clearly the best player, because the 5th rounder at another spot absolutely would help us more now. 

Lmao we started in round 2 for you to push back to round 5 now love it. 

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Barnett and a 6th 😀

Barnett costs $10 mil... for one year.   Depending on the team, it could actually be a negative. 

9 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

It’s going to cost more then 6ths to get to 4.... if you use draft trade chart more like a 2nd just to go up 2 spots 

That is a GUIDE not a LAW lol

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

Barnett costs $10 mil... for one year.   Depending on the team, it could actually be a negative. 

2 wrongs make a right, so maybe 1 wrong and a 6th can too🤣

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

That is a GUIDE not a LAW lol

It is a guide and isn’t law sure but if it was only going to cost me 6ths to move up go get me Wilson from BYU. 
 

It isn’t cheap to move around in the top 10 was the point