I found this VERY interesting. And I dont remember getting him. Kalil Tate is listed on our roster as a WR. He was actually a QB at ZONA. I watched his highlights. QB 3 could already be on our roster(same style as Hurts too) But why list him as a WR?

17 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

yeah,but see if we draft a QB,then it's pointless if there are ?'s about the capability of the Oline. So that's what I'm thinking about. A TOP LOG or ROG who can start day 1 sounds great,but would we go there? IDK how we feel about the Oline. I said ALL last year,put guys in and LEAVE THEM THERE,which we refused to do. Doing that you could have identified the weakest link,now we have no clue who plays well with others

Guard seems like the last spot on the OL that we need. Herbig seemed like an average starter last year. He is the 3rd guy and young.   

The injuries killed them last year though.  Other than sitting and moving Mailata , the others got their chances. But then they got injured too.  Driscoll the prime example.   They didn't really have the chance to solidify a lineup last year.   This is the year they could do it . 

But they are using the vets, which is a reason to keep Hurts in there if it were me. I agree there. Would love to get Herbig and Driscoll in there before the next QB comes.   

9 minutes ago, stine said:

Probably not, but if he is still on the team on draft day, he may be worth something to someone who needs a TE and does not think one is available in the draft other than Pitts....

IDK,my thoughts are we let him go soon, to be nice, and let him find another team to play for. Like we did with Foles, no bridge burning and thats why Foles could come back here. Agents know when a team screws their client over lol

10 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

I agree, I'm not signing a free agent WR either. 

yeah IDK why Howie "insists" on a vet presence. Sounds great for PR, the results IMO aren't worth whatever you pay unless you are targeting your #1 WR. May be different if we were 1,2 players away from SB contention, but right now I can't justify spending ANYTHING on one. Know your routes and get open. I don't need a "vet" to tell them that lol

11 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

True... I'm there myself.  But BG makes the good point.... just have to look at Eagles history.  Can't rule out QB at 6. 

I know you're right, but I will continue to be in denial 🤬

3 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

IDK,my thoughts are we let him go soon, to be nice, and let him find another team to play for. Like we did with Foles, no bridge burning and thats why Foles could come back here. Agents know when a team screws their client over lol

100%   the longer it goes, the more petty the Eagles look.  

4 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

IDK,my thoughts are we let him go soon, to be nice, and let him find another team to play for. Like we did with Foles, no bridge burning and thats why Foles could come back here. Agents know when a team screws their client over lol

Probably Right at this point. I guess it depends on HR's stubbornness. He was dead set on getting a return for Ertz. He may keep him and see what unfolds. Not fair for him to be sure. Ertz does deserve better, but this is a business and I have seen worse. Look at Dawkins and see how that was handled.....

3 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

yeah IDK why Howie "insists" on a vet presence. Sounds great for PR, the results IMO aren't worth whatever you pay unless you are targeting your #1 WR. May be different if we were 1,2 players away from SB contention, but right now I can't justify spending ANYTHING on one. Know your routes and get open. I don't need a "vet" to tell them that lol

I didn't hear about any " vet presence " for the WRs???? 

9 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

100%   the longer it goes, the more petty the Eagles look.  

IDK,what happens if they don't feel they can get Pitts at 6 or aren't willing to move for him? I like Goedert, but losing Ertz would bother me some. I suppose we could grab another TE,later,but he's not Pitts (noone else is)

3 minutes ago, stine said:

Probably Right at this point. I guess it depends on HR's stubbornness. He was dead set on getting a return for Ertz. He may keep him and see what unfolds. Not fair for him to be sure. Ertz does deserve better, but this is a business and I have seen worse. Look at Dawkins and see how that was handled.....

HR already has egg on his face over Wentz, may as well do it with Ertz too and get that out of the way LOL

1 minute ago, stine said:

Probably Right at this point. I guess it depends on HR's stubbornness. He was dead set on getting a return for Ertz. He may keep him and see what unfolds. Not fair for him to be sure. Ertz does deserve better, but this is a business and I have seen worse. Look at Dawkins and see how that was handled.....

Yeah but Dawkins was able to meet and sign with other teams. Banner just decided to save $2 mil and give 5 times that to Sean Andrew's bro.    They are pretty much not allowing Ertz to go find his next job. For what? Nobody is going to give us anything of value. The ship has sailed 

4 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

I didn't hear about any " vet presence " for the WRs???? 

We always seem to HAVE TO HAVE ONE, stated or not. Maybe Siri can smack some sense into Howie

2 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

IDK,what happens if they don't fell they can get Pitts at 6 or aren't willing to move for him? I like Goedert, but losing Ertz would bother me some. I suppose we could grab another TE,later,but he's not Pitts (noone else is)

Why would losing Ertz bother you?  At this point you can see he needs to be around a better supporting cast to be effective.  He really doesn't add anything to this team.  I'm a big fan of his, but it's time to go.  He needs to play in another system without another TE. 

2 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

We always seem to HAVE TO HAVE ONE, stated or not. Maybe Siri can smack some sense into Howie

So it wasn't stated?   We released 3 vets this offseason... doesn't seem like it's something that will happen this year.  I think it's clear the young guys he drafted last year will get their shots.  Those are his guys. The vets were already here.

And look at 2016... there were no vets either. 

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

Why would losing Ertz bother you?  At this point you can see he needs to be around a better supporting cast to be effective.  He really doesn't add anything to this team.  I'm a big fan of his, but it's time to go.  He needs to play in another system without another TE. 

Because sans last year he has always been a reliable target, which really helps developing QB's. I suppose Goedert can take that role, but then who is the "other" TE for the 2 TE sets we love to run?

Just now, joemas6 said:

So it wasn't stated?   We released 3 vets this offseason... doesn't seem like it's something that will happen this year.  I think it's clear the young guys he drafted last year will get their shots.  Those are his guys. The vets were already here.

And look at 2016... there were no vets either. 

We had no choice, we had to lose the money lol

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

Because sans last year he has always been a reliable target, which really helps developing QB's. I suppose Goedert can take that role, but then who is the "other" TE for the 2 TE sets we love to run?

Idk what sets we will run.  If I had my preference, I'd love to see a good blocker in there with Goedert.   This way they have to worry about us running the ball . Ertz was better suited playing with 3 WRs, so the slot WR drew the better cover guy.  I don't think it's coincidence his production went down the more 2 TE sets we used. 

2 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Why would losing Ertz bother you?  At this point you can see he needs to be around a better supporting cast to be effective.  He really doesn't add anything to this team.  I'm a big fan of his, but it's time to go.  He needs to play in another system without another TE. 

I don't think Ertz has fallen all that much that he can't help any team unless they have a solid supporting cast! Why bother drafting Pitts? He has no one to help him either. I do not get that logic at all. I agree the Eagles should let him go at this point only because of what he did for this team. They did allow his agent to seek a trade and they could do not better than a 6th round pick. Who's fault is that? Ertz played like crap last year when healthy. Had he performed then he would be playing elsewhere by now, so he only has himself to blame to be honest. Yes Howie screwed up not trading him last summer, we are all aware of that and I along with many others wanted that to happen. Water under the bridge now. They should do the right thing and let him go, but there is no guaranty they will at this point other than to save cap room if needed....

4 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Because sans last year he has always been a reliable target, which really helps developing QB's. I suppose Goedert can take that role, but then who is the "other" TE for the 2 TE sets we love to run?

Saw him play twice live in 2019.   Did squat vs Buffalo. Dropped the key pass vs Miami.   I think the decline has been there,  more so just from the attention he gets.  While reliable and a workhorse,  he was never the focus of the defense.  Not when at his best.

4 minutes ago, stine said:

I don't think Ertz has fallen all that much that he can't help any team unless they have a solid supporting cast! Why bother drafting Pitts? He has no one to help him either. I do not get that logic at all. I agree the Eagles should let him go at this point only because of what he did for this team. They did allow his agent to seek a trade and they could do not better than a 6th round pick. Who's fault is that? Ertz played like crap last year when healthy. Had he performed then he would be playing elsewhere by now, so he only has himself to blame to be honest. Yes Howie screwed up not trading him last summer, we are all aware of that and I along with many others wanted that to happen. Water under the bridge now. They should do the right thing and let him go, but there is no guaranty they will at this point other than to save cap room if needed....

The whole team was crap. Hard to put a value on any player when they all stunk up the place

3 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Saw him play twice live in 2019.   Did squat vs Buffalo. Dropped the key pass vs Miami.   I think the decline has been there,  more so just from the attention he gets.  While reliable and a workhorse,  he was never the focus of the defense.  Not when at his best.

Well, they need to choose soon. After all the BS, I see no reason he would want to stay unless it would be familiarity and a shot to get back into form to get a better deal a year from now. I don't think the birds feel he is worth it. He had the teary eyed presser where he was "begging" to stay lol. If I was the birds I would release him Friday if not sooner

This is interesting.

Ralph Vacchiano on Twitter: "Asked again if he signed with the Jets believing that Sam Darnold will be his QB in 2021, new Jets WR Corey Davis said "Yes, that’s my understanding."" / Twitter

I can easily see the Jets taking Sewell or Slater at number 2, with the other one going to the Dolphins at #3 and Darrisaw going to the Bengals at 5. There is a huge drop between Darrisaw and the next OT prospect in most rankings, and I have seen major problems with Sam Cosmi and some of the other "next tier guys." Plus, almost every mock draft I see has the Jets and Dolphins taking an olineman pretty early, so it is a need for both of them. And both have a qb who deserves a shot behind a better oline.

Both also have a pick in the first round that can be used on a receiver - so Toney or Bateman instead of Chase and Smith seems like a decent trade, because the dropoff to the next level of OTs is much steeper.

Three tackles (and presumably two qbs) going in the top five would put the Eagles in a really interesting spot.   

Ertz,to indy would make alot of sense. I think Howie fears that "double whammy egg on my face" 

1 minute ago, jsb235 said:

This is interesting.

Ralph Vacchiano on Twitter: "Asked again if he signed with the Jets believing that Sam Darnold will be his QB in 2021, new Jets WR Corey Davis said "Yes, that’s my understanding."" / Twitter

I can easily see the Jets taking Sewell or Slater at number 2, with the other one going to the Dolphins at #3 and Darrisaw going to the Bengals at 5. There is a huge drop between Darrisaw and the next OT prospect in most rankings, and I have seen major problems with Sam Cosmi and some of the other "next tier guys." Plus, almost every mock draft I see has the Jets and Dolphins taking an olineman pretty early, so it is a need for both of them. And both have a qb who deserves a shot behind a better oline.

Both also have a pick in the first round that can be used on a receiver - so Toney or Bateman instead of Chase and Smith seems like a decent trade, because the dropoff to the next level of OTs is much steeper.

Three tackles (and presumably two qbs) going in the top five would put the Eagles in a really interesting spot.   

Chase will be in the top 5

3 minutes ago, stine said:

I don't think Ertz has fallen all that much that he can't help any team unless they have a solid supporting cast! Why bother drafting Pitts? He has no one to help him either. I do not get that logic at all. I agree the Eagles should let him go at this point only because of what he did for this team. They did allow his agent to seek a trade and they could do not better than a 6th round pick. Who's fault is that? Ertz played like crap last year when healthy. Had he performed then he would be playing elsewhere by now, so he only has himself to blame to be honest. Yes Howie screwed up not trading him last summer, we are all aware of that and I along with many others wanted that to happen. Water under the bridge now. They should do the right thing and let him go, but there is no guaranty they will at this point other than to save cap room if needed....

Right, so you agree he isn't all that anymore. He can for sure help a team... one that has good pieces in place. Much different than what Pitts has the potential to do.  

He will get a job, no doubt.  Trade value,  just don't see it.   Don't think he moves the needle enough for a team to give up anything plus have to pay him.  Not with one year left on his deal .... and yes I know " the new team can negotiate a new deal... etc"   and I counter if a new deal is in the works, and everyone else knows it, that takes away 3rd team from wanting to trade for him knowing he has a deal on place with another team.  The entire planet knows the Eagles could use the cap space and that Ertz wants out.  Just no leverage,  let him go and move on.

4 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Well, they need to choose soon. After all the BS, I see no reason he would want to stay unless it would be familiarity and a shot to get back into form to get a better deal a year from now. I don't think the birds feel he is worth it. He had the teary eyed presser where he was "begging" to stay lol. If I was the birds I would release him Friday if not sooner

Yeah, he was absolutely NOT begging to stay.   Just realizing his time was done and he got emotional about it. He loves the city.  

Also,  playing here would absolutely lower his chances of getting a better deal next year. He needs to go and flourish, not play in this mess.  The young kids need all the opportunities. Best for both to move on.  Howie tried,just let it go now, just a bad look. 

Ertz to Indy or Chicago IMO. AZ is also a possiblility