9 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

LOL yeah Hopkins and Fuller were trash for many years

Wentz had Alshon, he had Ertz, he had his buddy Matthews. He had Sproles who was a really really good pass catcher. He had Ertz. He had Smith. Let's not pretend Wentz didn't have anything. He also had a really good OL bar his last year. And even his last year it was an above average OL.

5 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Wentz had Alshon, he had Ertz, he had his buddy Matthews. He had Sproles who was a really really good pass catcher. He had Ertz. He had Smith. Let's not pretend Wentz didn't have anything. He also had a really good OL bar his last year. And even his last year it was an above average OL.

Agreed except for last part. Really? I feel the OL was average at best. QB was under pressure frequently. 

17 minutes ago, EaglesTD123 said:

Agreed except for last part. Really? I feel the OL was average at best. QB was under pressure frequently. 

I think if you look at how it graded it was like 12th or something like that? I think, and this isn't a pure knock on Carson because the OL absolutely had issues, Carson didn't help the OL.

10 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I think if you look at how it graded it was like 12th or something like that? I think, and this isn't a pure knock on Carson because the OL absolutely had issues, Carson didn't help the OL.

Understood. Does grading include hurries?

24 minutes ago, EaglesTD123 said:

Understood. Does grading include hurries?

I would imagine so. Look I'll put my hands up. I heard it on the Go Birds pod and I was a little surprised to hear it had graded well.

2 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Wentz had Alshon, he had Ertz, he had his buddy Matthews. He had Sproles who was a really really good pass catcher. He had Ertz. He had Smith. Let's not pretend Wentz didn't have anything. He also had a really good OL bar his last year. And even his last year it was an above average OL.

SO why then is Watson a "top 5" QB but Wentz is not?????

5 hours ago, mjkline1958 said:

. I didn't initiate but just feel like i have to correct the B

You sure as hell did or are you lying about that too now???

6 hours ago, mjkline1958 said:

good resources before speaking

LMFAO like CNN who has lied for 5 years straight? BWAAAAAAHAHAHAHA. Anyway yes YOU INITIATED this(AGAIN!!!)_ and I am done with it. You said you would never do it again(bring up politics on here) so you LIED again. You have future on CNN

2 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Wentz had Alshon, he had Ertz, he had his buddy Matthews. He had Sproles who was a really really good pass catcher. He had Ertz. He had Smith. Let's not pretend Wentz didn't have anything. He also had a really good OL bar his last year. And even his last year it was an above average OL.

IDK seems to me Hopkins was > Alshon? Fuller was > JMatt?  I'll give you Ertz and it's not like Watson was lacking pass cacthing RB's either, so just trying to figure out why Watson is a "superstar/top 5", yet Wentz is MEH when the stat lines are about the same over a 4 year period. SO then the question is, would Watson have failed here as badly last year as Wentz did? Of course we'll never know, but if we don't know why would we want to bring him in when we could have kept Wentz? IDK just seems to me Howie let the team deteriorate after the SB. Bad draft picks, overriding the staff on game day, just led us into the abyss we are in now 

4 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I think if you look at how it graded it was like 12th or something like that? I think, and this isn't a pure knock on Carson because the OL absolutely had issues, Carson didn't help the OL.

Carson didn’t help. Ertz surely didn’t help. The WR were young and probably making mistakes. But the Oline wasn’t good. Graded at 12 is a joke considering pass blocking. They did some decent run blocking. Just no consistency. But the TEs smd RB were terrible pass blocking.

25 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Carson didn’t help. Ertz surely didn’t help. The WR were young and probably making mistakes. But the Oline wasn’t good. Graded at 12 is a joke considering pass blocking. They did some decent run blocking. Just no consistency. But the TEs smd RB were terrible pass blocking.

I honestly believe before 2020 Wentz was at worst a top 10 QB. What happened in 2020 is anyones guess. The concussion, the big contract went to his head?

I guess to Eagles fans it's not an issue any more

46 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

I honestly believe before 2020 Wentz was at worst a top 10 QB. What happened in 2020 is anyones guess. The concussion, the big contract went to his head?

I guess to Eagles fans it's not an issue any more

But was he? I fell into this trap also. Believed he was on MVP track in 2017 ...then got injured. But 2018 he really wasn’t great. The team was losing. It took Foles to galvanize the team to sneak in the back door with a strong finish. Then 2019 Wentz was ok. Making plenty of mistakes. But he did finish the year strong and got us in the postseason. Then 2020. Everybody always discards any factors that aren’t football related. But I think him having his first kid was a massive distraction for him. COVID hit and hurt big time also. So in five years he didn’t look great his rookie year. Ok, we all understand that. Looked like the best in the league before getting injured in 2017. Then didn’t look very good in 2018. 2019 is the tricky one. Because he didn’t look great much of the season...,but then looked absolutely fantastic the other parts. 2020 looked terrible. Arguably worst QB in the league. I’m being nice by even saying it can be argued otherwise. So even when he was great he then got injured. But the great was what? 14 games in 2017 and 5 games in 2019. So most of his career would be not playing well...or just not playing....because he was benched or injured. I was caught up thinking of Wentz at his best. But the truth appears very far from that. The best now appears more the outlier. He had 86 games here. How many of those did he look top ten? I’ll give him most of the 14 in 2017. Gave him 5 in 2019. I’m sure if we scoured through game by game he deserves some credit for a few more. But what are we talking here? He looked top ten for 23 out of 86 possible games! Even if we stretched it to a third...is that enough to legitimately call him top ten? 

5 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

But was he? I fell into this trap also. Believed he was on MVP track in 2017 ...then got injured. But 2018 he really wasn’t great. The team was losing. It took Foles to galvanize the team to sneak in the back door with a strong finish. Then 2019 Wentz was ok. Making plenty of mistakes. But he did finish the year strong and got us in the postseason. Then 2020. Everybody always discards any factors that aren’t football related. But I think him having his first kid was a massive distraction for him. COVID hit and hurt big time also. So in five years he didn’t look great his rookie year. Ok, we all understand that. Looked like the best in the league before getting injured in 2017. Then didn’t look very good in 2018. 2019 is the tricky one. Because he didn’t look great much of the season...,but then looked absolutely fantastic the other parts. 2020 looked terrible. Arguably worst QB in the league. I’m being nice by even saying it can be argued otherwise. So even when he was great he then got injured. But the great was what? 14 games in 2017 and 5 games in 2019. So most of his career would be not playing well...or just not playing....because he was benched or injured. I was caught up thinking of Wentz at his best. But the truth appears very far from that. The best now appears more the outlier. He had 86 games here. How many of those did he look top ten? I’ll give him most of the 14 in 2017. Gave him 5 in 2019. I’m sure if we scoured through game by game he deserves some credit for a few more. But what are we talking here? He looked top ten for 23 out of 86 possible games! Even if we stretched it to a third...is that enough to legitimately call him top ten? 

2019

Eagles

63.9

4,039

27

7

93.1

This didn't copy the way i'd like but it's Comp%, yards, TDs and ints  Prertty good stats for a below average QB

I pretty much discount 2018 as he was recovering from the late season ACL. I didn't realize how hard it is to recover from knee surgery until i had it

Looks like we open vs Atlanta. cowpies may be vs TB

8 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

@EaglesTD123

We’re the Saints really flat or....did we come out with some juice? @EaglesTD123

Saints were flat.  

6 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I would imagine so. Look I'll put my hands up. I heard it on the Go Birds pod and I was a little surprised to hear it had graded well.

I graded the OL... with an S.    S = suck. Because let's not pretend they didn't suck.   Like I said about the Superbowl and KC.  The 3 sacks were not the issue... the 29 hurries were.    

We shall see this year...  and get a better understanding after a full year of Hurts and a full year of Wentz away from this team.    I think it's obvious what the outcomes are going to be, but let's wait.  Eagles have the easiest schedule... it's all set up on a tee for Hurts and his intangibles and PFF's favorite OL.   Let's roll.

19 minutes ago, mjkline1958 said:

Looks like we open vs Atlanta. cowpies may be vs TB

Should give us an idea of how good (or bad) out birds are gonna be

1 hour ago, Asg 15 said:

I honestly believe before 2020 Wentz was at worst a top 10 QB. What happened in 2020 is anyones guess. The concussion, the big contract went to his head?

I guess to Eagles fans it's not an issue any more

The record level of crap that surrounded him is probably a safe guess.    Constantly practicing with 3rd and 4th string,  only to end up playing on Sundays with 5th and 6th string is a factor.  It's why they put in all the work, familiarity and consistency with teammates is a big factor.  Last year was a circus.  

47 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

2019

Eagles

63.9

4,039

27

7

93.1

This didn't copy the way i'd like but it's Comp%, yards, TDs and ints  Prertty good stats for a below average QB

I pretty much discount 2018 as he was recovering from the late season ACL. I didn't realize how hard it is to recover from knee surgery until i had it

We're gonna find out about Wentz this year, and I suppose the colts will also lol. Anyway you're right, it doesn't matter. Hurts looked 'as good" as the late playing Wentz. With 4+ years in it shouldn't have been close,but maybe you recall I was screaming for him to get benched in week 4 (just as a lesson not a permanent bench) just to wake him up, but we kept playing him until finally there was no other choice. IDK maybe benching him a game or 2 like I wanted and sitting down and saying "you want this job,you still need to earn your field time" would have changed things. Of course we'll never know. Went through that with the Winston/Fitz fiasco in TB. They ultimately got sick of it also and canned them both and Winston's mom never called them in TB 😂

6 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

Should give us an idea of how good (or bad) out birds are gonna be

Pitts will chew us a new one

55 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

But was he? I fell into this trap also. Believed he was on MVP track in 2017 ...then got injured. But 2018 he really wasn’t great. The team was losing. It took Foles to galvanize the team to sneak in the back door with a strong finish. Then 2019 Wentz was ok. Making plenty of mistakes. But he did finish the year strong and got us in the postseason. Then 2020. Everybody always discards any factors that aren’t football related. But I think him having his first kid was a massive distraction for him. COVID hit and hurt big time also. So in five years he didn’t look great his rookie year. Ok, we all understand that. Looked like the best in the league before getting injured in 2017. Then didn’t look very good in 2018. 2019 is the tricky one. Because he didn’t look great much of the season...,but then looked absolutely fantastic the other parts. 2020 looked terrible. Arguably worst QB in the league. I’m being nice by even saying it can be argued otherwise. So even when he was great he then got injured. But the great was what? 14 games in 2017 and 5 games in 2019. So most of his career would be not playing well...or just not playing....because he was benched or injured. I was caught up thinking of Wentz at his best. But the truth appears very far from that. The best now appears more the outlier. He had 86 games here. How many of those did he look top ten? I’ll give him most of the 14 in 2017. Gave him 5 in 2019. I’m sure if we scoured through game by game he deserves some credit for a few more. But what are we talking here? He looked top ten for 23 out of 86 possible games! Even if we stretched it to a third...is that enough to legitimately call him top ten? 

Stop with Nick Foles in 2018. He sucked.    They rushed Wentz back because he sucked.  Then vs the Rams the defense turned the ball over for 3 short drives where he got to hand off for TDs.   His one good game Houston was missing 3/4 of their starting secondary.  

Double drink was the highlight of 2 bad offensive games in the playoffs.  This is part of the problem with our fan base living in fantasy land.  You gotta use your eyes and understand luck.  Like the Saints game last year when they came out flat. 

3 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Stop with Nick Foles in 2018. He sucked.    They rushed Wentz back because he sucked.  Then vs the Rams the defense turned the ball over for 3 short drives where he got to hand off for TDs.   His one good game Houston was missing 3/4 of their starting secondary.  

Double drink was the highlight of 2 bad offensive games in the playoffs.  This is part of the problem with our fan base living in fantasy land.  You gotta use your eyes and understand luck.  Like the Saints game last year when they came out flat. 

LOL Bears tried to pawn Foles back on us, but we said "no"

14 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

I graded the OL... with an S.    S = suck. Because let's not pretend they didn't suck.   Like I said about the Superbowl and KC.  The 3 sacks were not the issue... the 29 hurries were.    

We shall see this year...  and get a better understanding after a full year of Hurts and a full year of Wentz away from this team.    I think it's obvious what the outcomes are going to be, but let's wait.  Eagles have the easiest schedule... it's all set up on a tee for Hurts and his intangibles and PFF's favorite OL.   Let's roll.

IDK if the O line stays healthy,perhaps we have an actual running game we can rely on. So I suspect Hurts would do ok if the pressure comes off the QB position a bit. I'm looking for 6 wins, 7 to me would be a good sign. be interesting to see if Smith has the impact of say JJ and if Reagor can get his act together we could actually make "games" out of a few of these. At lease we will have a 3rd RB(in theory) rather than just the Sanders/Scott backfield. Going to be fun for me to watch these new rooks

Another factor(which we wont know during games) is if the upper brass starts interfering with Siri's decisions. I hope they let the coach do his job for a change

1 hour ago, Asg 15 said:

2019

Eagles

63.9

4,039

27

7

93.1

This didn't copy the way i'd like but it's Comp%, yards, TDs and ints  Prertty good stats for a below average QB

I pretty much discount 2018 as he was recovering from the late season ACL. I didn't realize how hard it is to recover from knee surgery until i had it

So his 4K passing yards was ninth in 2019. I think we could argue he maybe should be ranked higher for that season in the overall QB conversation. But this is his up season out of five years. Being ninth in 2019 doesn’t offset being the worst in 2020. Not being good in 2018 and playing like a rookie in 2016. You can’t take 9th and worst and that equal top ten. I would say at Wentz best he can be top ten. He has top ten potential. But he isn’t a top ten QB. A top ten QB should go for at least three first round picks unless he’s at the end of his career. We got a conditional second rounder...next year....which equates to a third round pick. That’s a league wide perception thing.