6 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

And the tweet was about PFF... I responded the way I did.  I haven't seen the play live, and don't want to comment until I watch the game.... but PFF is a joke,

The play is in the tweet, watch it, clearly a hold.  I thought it was a hold watching it live and was shocked it didn't come back.

10 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Saw this being discussed earlier.  I thought it was a hold live, and in regular speed it is clearly a hold by Reagor.  In a regular season game no way this is not called.

 

I'm sure when they review film it will be mentioned by the coaches.  The good part is the effort is there; WRs blocking downfield is always a good sign

10 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Saw this being discussed earlier.  I thought it was a hold live, and in regular speed it is clearly a hold by Reagor.  In a regular season game no way this is not called.

 

I suppose it was more egregious than I thought, but I don’t think it’s something that is a guaranteed flag in the regular season. That happens on almost every play somewhere. Obviously it wasn’t called last night, and I don’t think the ref was like, "meh, it’s the preseason. I’ll keep it in my pocket.”

3 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I suppose it was more egregious than I thought, but I don’t think it’s something that is a guaranteed flag in the regular season. That happens on almost every play somewhere. Obviously it wasn’t called last night, and I don’t think the ref was like, "meh, it’s the preseason. I’ll keep it in my pocket.”

The fact that it was us, I was shocked it wasn't called.  We never seem to get a break, maybe that will change this year.

14 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Saw this being discussed earlier.  I thought it was a hold live, and in regular speed it is clearly a hold by Reagor.  In a regular season game no way this is not called.

 

Not bragging, but I could have made that throw.

4 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

And the tweet was about PFF... I responded the way I did.  I haven't seen the play live, and don't want to comment until I watch the game.... but PFF is a joke,

I like Pff depending on what they are talking about and grading. I actually think they do a fair job when doing oline and DLine type of grades. They aren’t perfect but their grades tend to be right where most would watch and observe. However they are usually all over the place with QB, secondary and offensive skill position grades. 

Just now, dawkdaballhawk said:

Not bragging, but I could have made that throw.

Prove it

Just now, dawkdaballhawk said:

Not bragging, but I could have made that throw.

It's more impressive he checked into it than the actual throw

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I like Pff depending on what they are talking about and grading. I actually think they do a fair job when doing oline and DLine type of grades. They aren’t perfect but their grades tend to be right where most would watch and observe. However they are usually all over the place with QB, secondary and offensive skill position grades. 

I like PFF when they agree with me and I think they are dumb when I disagree

Don't teams have to make roster cuts soon? 

 

 

3 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I suppose it was more egregious than I thought, but I don’t think it’s something that is a guaranteed flag in the regular season. That happens on almost every play somewhere. Obviously it wasn’t called last night, and I don’t think the ref was like, "meh, it’s the preseason. I’ll keep it in my pocket.”

It also comes down to the angles from where the officials were.  They don't always have the same angles as the cameras.

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

It's more impressive he checked into it than the actual throw

I like PFF when they agree with me and I think they are dumb when I disagree

I feel the same about posters on here

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I like Pff depending on what they are talking about and grading. I actually think they do a fair job when doing oline and DLine type of grades. They aren’t perfect but their grades tend to be right where most would watch and observe. However they are usually all over the place with QB, secondary and offensive skill position grades. 

Prove it

 

Just now, jsdarkstar said:

Don't teams have to make roster cuts soon? 

 

 

4 days, need to cut 5 guys

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I like Pff depending on what they are talking about and grading. I actually think they do a fair job when doing oline and DLine type of grades. They aren’t perfect but their grades tend to be right where most would watch and observe. However they are usually all over the place with QB, secondary and offensive skill position grades. 

Prove it

PFF gets mocked in here, but the fact is they’ve watched every player for every snap and they’re obviously knowledgeable about the game. The pushback is weird. Their opinion is far more fully formed than anyone’s in here. 

37 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I'll also add most beats are saying last night was the best Hurts looked all camp. If so, yeesh. One very good throw, one routine throw, one good throw that was dropped, one not great throw that was still caught, one overthrow and one underthrow with one patented throwaway™️

I know I'm a "hater with an agenda", but I really was not impressed with Hurts. He did play better than the stats showed, but that's not saying much. The pass to Goedert was a thing of beauty. His first pass (I believe) he checked beyond his first read and made the completion. His throw to Ertz that was dropped was a good throw. These are all good things.

That said, his mechanics were still poor. The throw to Reagor was poor. The scramble for two yards and the throw away were both poor. The play with Watkins isn't as simple as "Oh, they'll get it with timing". Sure, they likely will improve. The issue is you left a TD on the field. The issue is that Pittsburgh only had 10 men on the field. Hurts needs to realize this and you need to have a positive play in those situations.

Not terrible, but not really inspiring either.

 

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I like Pff depending on what they are talking about and grading. I actually think they do a fair job when doing oline and DLine type of grades. They aren’t perfect but their grades tend to be right where most would watch and observe. However they are usually all over the place with QB, secondary and offensive skill position grades. 

Meh

4 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

PFF gets mocked in here, but the fact is they’ve watched every player for every snap and they’re obviously knowledgeable about the game. The pushback is weird. Their opinion is far more fully formed than anyone’s in here. 

There's the key... they have an opinion, no more, no less.  Their 'findings' are no more factual than any other opinion shared.  It is subjective grading, not objective.  

3 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

PFF gets mocked in here, but the fact is they’ve watched every player for every snap and they’re obviously knowledgeable about the game. The pushback is weird. Their opinion is far more fully formed than anyone’s in here. 

I think their QB ones are the ones people really give them flack on. I don’t think they are nearly as bad as people making them out to be. The times they seem really just off it’s usually around the QB and guys in the secondary. I feel like their defensive and offensive line grades are pretty accurate when i watch other teams. 

Just now, Bacarty2 said:

They have so many metrics, and numbers that they can extrapolate things to make it appear anyway they want. 

2 years ago they basically said Cooper Kupp was a better WR than Julio Jones and D-Hop

I’m not saying their grading is perfect. I just think it’s stupid to completely disregard what they have to say considering they’ve put more work into their analysis than anyone in here. 

9 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

4 days, need to cut 5 guys

Can we cut jjaw five consecutive times to make us feel better?  

54 minutes ago, downundermike said:

No, he doesn't.

2020, 1st rd pick TBD, wasted a 2 on a QB when there was needs, the rest of the glass, outside of Quez might not get anything.

2019 - 1st rd pick well on the way to being a bust, Sanders, good but dinged a lot, may not get a second contract,  JJAWful is a bust, and the rest are gone.

2018 - Goedert, Mailata and Sweat are decent if they get extensions, Madoox most likely won't get a second contract and Pryor will be cut this year.

2017 - Barnett is all that is left from 8 selections.

2016 - Seumalo is all that is left from 8 selections.

2014 - 2015, no one left.

So 2016-2020, 36 selections, 18 still left on the roster, and once Pryor, JJAWful are gone down to 16.  Then you have to decide on extensions for Mailata, Sweat and Maddox.

At best, as I see Maddox not getting a second contract, 15 of 36 selections will still be on the roster in 2022.  That of course is dependent on Taylor and Hightower making the roster.  Could only be 13

 

Howie knows how to work the draft value wise, he knows where guys are projected to go and how to manuever to try and get good draft value which isn't surprising for a bean counter

What he doesn't do well is actually acquire talent.

If one looks at Howie's drafts at just a point value perspective of where players were projected pre draft than one might think Howie is good at the draft,

Where as if one looks at his record of acquiring talent which is the actual point of the draft and what you have pointed out then Howie is horrible at the draft 

Just now, Swoop said:

I know I'm a "hater with an agenda", but I really was not impressed with Hurts. He did play better than the stats showed, but that's not saying much. The pass to Goedert was a thing of beauty. His first pass (I believe) he checked beyond his first read and made the completion. His throw to Ertz that was dropped was a good throw. These are all good things.

That said, his mechanics were still poor. The throw to Reagor was poor. The scramble for two yards and the throw away were both poor. The play with Watkins isn't as simple as "Oh, they'll get it with timing". Sure, they likely will improve. The issue is you left a TD on the field. The issue is that Pittsburgh only had 10 men on the field. Hurts needs to realize this and you need to have a positive play in those situations.

Not terrible, but not really inspiring either.

 

Yup, pretty much agreed on everything. His first throw was late and shaky, but they still picked up 7 yards. Can't kill him for it but there's little things like being late on throws that turn great plays into ok plays. The Reagor throw is getting just completely excused because it was "a drop" which is just funny. I need to rewatch but he had to dive coming back to have a chance for it and he's getting more of the blame than the pass being short and low. 

It was an average at best performance. Better than his stat line shows, but good enough to win games consistently? I don't see it. This is the for now franchise QB, the kid gloves need to come off and he should be held to a higher standard. 

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I’m not saying their grading is perfect. I just think it’s stupid to completely disregard what they have to say considering they’ve put more work into their analysis than anyone in here. 

That Tweet from PFF wasn't about their grading, their metrics or anything else, other than click bait and creating nonsense.  A legitimate source of information doesn't do that.

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Can we cut jjaw five consecutive times to make us feel better?  

Then we gotta re-sign him each time

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

Then we gotta re-sign him each time

Im Ok with it if i get to be the one who cuts him five times. 

27 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Saw this being discussed earlier.  I thought it was a hold live, and in regular speed it is clearly a hold by Reagor.  In a regular season game no way this is not called.

 

I didn't notice it live but watching it again, yea, that's a hold.  Whenever there are calls, or non-calls such as in this instance,  I always ask myself, "if that was a TD against the Eagles, would I want that called?"  In this case, if this was the Cowboys and Amari Cooper held Darius Slay letting CeeDee Lamb sprint 80 yards for a TD, you better believe I'd want that called.

Hold or no hold, I still like that Watkins was able to catch the screen smoothly and accelerate through the hole.  The Eagles have to be one of the worst teams at running WR screens as of late so it's nice to see one work.  Usually our WR screen consists of a bad throw, a guy trying to catch it out of the dirt and then running right in to his blockers for a 2 yard gain.