2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Then we gotta re-sign him each time

 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Im Ok with it if i get to be the one who cuts him five times. 

It is a chance to push dead money into 2022 if they do this.   Go Howie, Go!

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Yup, pretty much agreed on everything. His first throw was late and shaky, but they still picked up 7 yards. Can't kill him for it but there's little things like being late on throws that turn great plays into ok plays. The Reagor throw is getting just completely excused because it was "a drop" which is just funny. I need to rewatch but he had to dive coming back to have a chance for it and he's getting more of the blame than the pass being short and low. 

It was an average at best performance. Better than his stat line shows, but good enough to win games consistently? I don't see it. This is the for now franchise QB, the kid gloves need to come off and he should be held to a higher standard. 

Yup that " drop" by reagor was a horrendous throw by hurts, it was low and behind reagor had to contort and dive backwards to get a hand on it and still almost had it.

If that pass is in point reagor has a chance to catch and turn up field at worst catch and get led out of bounds.

Instead it's an incompletion on a routine out route.

I watched part of the game during commercials, that kid really is fast.  If he is in the right position and not over running plays, he is going to be really good.  Football Teams defense could be a real problem.

 

9 minutes ago, Swoop said:

The throw to Reagor was poor.

This is flat out wrong. The throw to Reagor was where it was supposed to be, low and outside. It's a timing pattern in which he has to throw the ball well before the receiver makes his cut. It's also a throw that gets taking back for six points the other way if it isn't low and away.

Last year he almost threw a pick six on the exact same route against the Saints. That was a poor throw. He put it where the CB, if he jumped the route, could make the INT. We saw Carson get intercepted twice against Washington last year on the exact same routes.

This throw was never going to be intercepted. It was either going to be a catch or an incompletion. Taking disaster out of the equation was the correct thing to do by Hurts.

4 minutes ago, downundermike said:

I watched part of the game during commercials, that kid really is fast.  If he is in the right position and not over running plays, he is going to be really good.  Football Teams defense could be a real problem.

 

Not could be.  That defense IS going to be a problem.  They built one heck of a front 7.  I'm surprised they didn't go all in on a quarterback because they are going to have to hand out some hefty extensions soon to keep that defense in tact.  Their window might be small with how much those guys should get paid.  

1 minute ago, bpac55 said:

Not could be.  That defense IS going to be a problem.  They built one heck of a front 7.  I'm surprised they didn't go all in on a quarterback because they are going to have to hand out some hefty extensions soon to keep that defense in tact.  Their window might be small with how much those guys should get paid.  

If it wasn’t for Snyder being a dbag of an owner i could see watson and rodgers wanting to play there next year with the need they have at QB, skill position players with gibson, mclaurin, Samuel, Thomas and their defense. 

5 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I didn't notice it live but watching it again, yea, that's a hold.  Whenever there are calls, or non-calls such as in this instance,  I always ask myself, "if that was a TD against the Eagles, would I want that called?"  In this case, if this was the Cowboys and Amari Cooper held Darius Slay letting CeeDee Lamb sprint 80 yards for a TD, you better believe I'd want that called.

Hold or no hold, I still like that Watkins was able to catch the screen smoothly and accelerate through the hole.  The Eagles have to be one of the worst teams at running WR screens as of late so it's nice to see one work.  Usually our WR screen consists of a bad throw, a guy trying to catch it out of the dirt and then running right in to his blockers for a 2 yard gain.

Yup after watching that play a few more times it's a definite hold, reagor initially contacts the db arms bent inside then the db tries to disengage and turn and run, reagors arms extend and one can see the pull from reagor on the defenders jersey, usually whenever one can visibly see a jersey pull the refs almost always call it 

Having said that if it's not called it's not a penalty, good on both reagor and watkins taking advantage of a missed call.

 

Definitely a missed holding call on the TD 

11 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

This is flat out wrong. The throw to Reagor was where it was supposed to be, low and outside. It's a timing pattern in which he has to throw the ball well before the receiver makes his cut. It's also a throw that gets taking back for six points the other way if it isn't low and away.

Last year he almost threw a pick six on the exact same route against the Saints. That was a poor throw. He put it where the CB, if he jumped the route, could make the INT. We saw Carson get intercepted twice against Washington last year on the exact same routes.

This throw was never going to be intercepted. It was either going to be a catch or an incompletion. Taking disaster out of the equation was the correct thing to do by Hurts.

Low and away doesn't mean 3 yards away and at ones toes.

Poor ball placement, it was too away and too low to give reagor a legitimate chance at making a play on the ball 

27 minutes ago, Swoop said:

I know I'm a "hater with an agenda", but I really was not impressed with Hurts. He did play better than the stats showed, but that's not saying much. The pass to Goedert was a thing of beauty. His first pass (I believe) he checked beyond his first read and made the completion. His throw to Ertz that was dropped was a good throw. These are all good things.

That said, his mechanics were still poor. The throw to Reagor was poor. The scramble for two yards and the throw away were both poor. The play with Watkins isn't as simple as "Oh, they'll get it with timing". Sure, they likely will improve. The issue is you left a TD on the field. The issue is that Pittsburgh only had 10 men on the field. Hurts needs to realize this and you need to have a positive play in those situations.

Not terrible, but not really inspiring either.

 

They only had 10 defenders on the field for that play?

15 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

This is flat out wrong. The throw to Reagor was where it was supposed to be, low and outside. It's a timing pattern in which he has to throw the ball well before the receiver makes his cut. It's also a throw that gets taking back for six points the other way if it isn't low and away.

Last year he almost threw a pick six on the exact same route against the Saints. That was a poor throw. He put it where the CB, if he jumped the route, could make the INT. We saw Carson get intercepted twice against Washington last year on the exact same routes.

This throw was never going to be intercepted. It was either going to be a catch or an incompletion. Taking disaster out of the equation was the correct thing to do by Hurts.

That ball should have hit Reagor in the chest at the 23 yard line, where I indicated in the still shot.  Yeah, he could have caught it, but why is it two yards behind him so he has to dive back towards it.

53 second mark

Hurts doesnt need to be top 5, top 3, "elite," any of that.  The best teams win super bowls, not necessarily the best quarterbacks. 

You basically just need a QB that wont lose you the game and up to this point, I think Hurts is not going to lose us games.

Theres a legit argument that that approach is better than sinking a ton of money into a franchise QB anyway.  That mindset also prevents an organization from being obsessed with finding their white whale/william wallace mythological guy.  

 

I was one of the bigger Wentz defenders but now hes one of the bad guys.  Hurts so far is playing better than 2020 Wentz and theres no arguing that IMO. 

Analyzing it from a team perspective, hes an upgrade at the QB position so far----does anyone disagree with that?

That's all that matters right now wit respect to Hurts...to me at least.  Just keep improving and dont F it up and we're going to be a solid team

 

37 minutes ago, downundermike said:

The fact that it was us, I was shocked it wasn't called.  We never seem to get a break, maybe that will change this year.

Where's Pete Morelli when you need him?

6 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

If it wasn’t for Snyder being a dbag of an owner i could see watson and rodgers wanting to play there next year with the need they have at QB, skill position players with gibson, mclaurin, Samuel, Thomas and their defense. 

Not hiring a rapist is a dbag move?

4 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Low and away doesn't mean 3 yards away and at ones toes.

Poor ball placement, it was too away and too low to give reagor a legitimate chance at making a play on the ball 

Reagor should have caught it, period.  It wasnt a good throw, but it was a catchable ball. Catch it!

2 minutes ago, downundermike said:

That ball should have hit Reagor in the chest at the 23 yard line, where I indicated in the still shot.  Yeah, he could have caught it, but why is it two yards behind him so he has to dive back towards it.

53 second mark

 

 

You're going to be so annoying with your over the board Hurts hate this season.  Dissecting every pass that isn't perfect when even you admit that Reagor should have caught it.  So pathetic. 

1 minute ago, dawkdaballhawk said:

Not hiring a rapist is a dbag move?

So it’s been proven in court that he’s a rapist? I’m not saying he didn’t do it or that it doesn’t look good for watson. At the moment they are allegations. So if you want to say alleged rapist thats fine. But acting like this was proven or definitive cause you feel that way doesn’t make it a conviction in court. 

11 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

You're going to be so annoying with your over the board Hurts hate this season.  Dissecting every pass that isn't perfect when even you admit that Reagor should have caught it.  So pathetic. 

Good god.  We are not allowed to talk about the play ??  I did say it was a drop, but it could have been a better pass.  At the end of the day, he completed 3 of 7 passes, and only complete passes to the TE.  It is a pre season game, and he will get more reps.  But the next pass he completed to a WR in the pre season will be the first.

4 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Good god.  We are not allowed to talk about the play ??  I did say it was a drop, but it could have been a better pass.  At the end of the day, he completed 3 of 7 passes, and only complete passes to the TE.  It is a pre season game, and he will get more reps.  But the next pass he completed to a WR in the pre season will be the first.

First rule of Talk about the Eagles is you do not talk about the Eagles

Second rule of Talk about the Eagles is you do not talk about the Eagles

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

First rule of Talk about the Eagles is you do not talk about the Eagles

Second rule of Talk about the Eagles is you do not talk about the Eagles

Amazing is we’ve done this with every QB thats ever been here with the emb. McNabb we would do this. Kolb we did this (limited games). Vick we did this. Even foles his first go around we did this when there were stats indicating his int rate should have been higher. Bradford we did this. Even wentz before last year people would kill him for his deep ball inaccuracy since his rookie year. It’s amazing people can’t allow for criticism or praise of a player because they have a strong stance one way or another.  

1 hour ago, mikemack8 said:

It's weird how many people in here want Hurts to be terrible.

I don't think that is the case.  Talking about his play is not people wanting him to be terrible.  Sure, he had some Sportscenter highlight plays last year, but there is plenty to be critical of.

He completed 52% of his passes last year.  That dropped to under 47% in the second half.  

Once NFL defensive coordinators adjusted to him at the half, he led the team to points on 2 of 22 second half possessions.

He also is coming from programs who do not exactly have a pedigree of producing top notch NFL qb's recently.

Top ranked Oklahoma QB's since 1999.

Baker Mayfield - Heisman trophy winner

Kyler Murray

Sam Bradford - Heisman trophy winner

Josh Heupel

Jason White - Heisman trophy winner

Top ranked Alabama QB's in the NFL

Tua

Hurts

Mac Jones

AJ McCarron

Hurts being the guy is optimal for the Eagles with the draft capital they have acquired, but there is plenty to be concerned about.

35 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

This is flat out wrong. The throw to Reagor was where it was supposed to be, low and outside. It's a timing pattern in which he has to throw the ball well before the receiver makes his cut. It's also a throw that gets taking back for six points the other way if it isn't low and away.

Last year he almost threw a pick six on the exact same route against the Saints. That was a poor throw. He put it where the CB, if he jumped the route, could make the INT. We saw Carson get intercepted twice against Washington last year on the exact same routes.

This throw was never going to be intercepted. It was either going to be a catch or an incompletion. Taking disaster out of the equation was the correct thing to do by Hurts.

I would advise you go back and watch the play again. It was a poor throw. Not ground breakingly bad, but poor. It should be low and outside, correct, but not to the point where a receiver has to dive for it. 

7 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Good god.  We are not allowed to talk about the play ??  I did say it was a drop, but it could have been a better pass.  At the end of the day, he completed 3 of 7 passes, and only complete passes to the TE.  It is a pre season game, and he will get more reps.  But the next pass he completed to a WR in the pre season will be the first.

The bigger issue for me with Hurts is that he is still holding the ball WAY too long every play. As I understand it, this offense is supposed to be based on scheming the receivers open and getting them the ball to run after. Thats exactly what we saw from Flacco when he came in, quick decisive throws and receivers getting YAC after. Not saying in anyway that I want Flacco starting for us, but it just seems to me that Hurts is still not getting it. 

3 minutes ago, Swoop said:

I would advise you go back and watch the play again. It was a poor throw. Not ground breakingly bad, but poor. It should be low and outside, correct, but not to the point where a receiver has to dive for it. 

We will see. I am sure DeVonta Smith will run that route 50 times this season. We will see how many times he misses that ball. A first round WR has to make that catch. His route was poor. The throw was where it needed to be. Hurts can't run the route for him.

5 minutes ago, wtfcares said:

The bigger issue for me with Hurts is that he is still holding the ball WAY too long every play. As I understand it, this offense is supposed to be based on scheming the receivers open and getting them the ball to run after. Thats exactly what we saw from Flacco when he came in, quick decisive throws and receivers getting YAC after. Not saying in anyway that I want Flacco starting for us, but it just seems to me that Hurts is still not getting it. 

And why is that a surprise, 5th system in 6 years, it'll take a little time for Hurts to speed up his progressions and react instinctively.

Of course Flacco is going to be quicker and more decisive, at this point in his career, going against scrub defenders and a vanilla defense, he should be able to carve them up like a Thanksgiving turkey.