51 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Sirianni's own comment on the throw to Reagor.

 

So everyone in here is right

4 minutes ago, downundermike said:

 

 

I do not agree with PFF most of the time.  They use numbers to fit a narrative.  When you don't have this performance graded as the #1 QB performance of the week, you look suspect.

I don’t think they make up a narrative and shape grades to fit said narrative. I think they use their grades to shape their opinion. 

This isn’t to say they are flawless or a true ranking of who is best or whatever. But their opinion absolutely is shaped by watching more football and watching every player’s snaps (often multiple times) should not be dismissed and mocked. I think people should just admit their opinion is more informed than theirs. 

It’s that simple. 

I don’t have time to watch every player so it should be very useful for us fans.

17 minutes ago, downundermike said:

 

 

I do not agree with PFF most of the time.  They use numbers to fit a narrative.  When you don't have this performance graded as the #1 QB performance of the week, you look suspect.

And then you have stuff like this.

Eagles News: Nick Foles is PFF’s highest graded quarterback in NFL playoff history

https://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2019/1/8/18173387/eagles-news-nick-foles-pff-highest-graded-quarterback-nfl-playoff-history-philadelphia-legend-bdn

I love Nick, but he is not the best quarterback in playoff history.

There is a lot to unpack here.  Regarding the Manning stats, you have to ask how many of those yards are YAC?  What about the fifteen incompletions?  Any dropped INTs?  It is possible for another QB to play better but not have the conventional metrics show that.

Regarding Foles, Pederson said his performance in SB LVII was the highest grade he'd ever given out.  And that grade and PFF's would most likely had given Foles a plus for the pass to Jeffrey that turned into the INT.

11 minutes ago, dawkdaballhawk said:

So everyone in here is right

Welcome to 2001.

3 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

There is a lot to unpack here.  Regarding the Manning stats, you have to ask how many of those yards are YAC?  What about the fifteen incompletions?  Any dropped INTs?  It is possible for another QB to play better but not have the conventional metrics show that.

Regarding Foles, Pederson said his performance in SB LVII was the highest grade he'd given out.  And that grade and PFF's would most likely had given Foles a plus for the pass to Jeffrey that turned into the INT.

Yes. It’s like the difference between QBR and traditional quarterback rating. 

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Sirianni's own comment on the throw to Reagor.

 

Huh, bizarre. Throw wasn't bad though or so I've been told.

1 hour ago, jsb235 said:

We will see. I am sure DeVonta Smith will run that route 50 times this season. We will see how many times he misses that ball. A first round WR has to make that catch. His route was poor. The throw was where it needed to be. Hurts can't run the route for him.

His route was fine, I'm assuming it was a run past the sticks come back to the sticks, reagor came back then had to dive back 3 more yards because the throw was so far behind.

Not a good throw.

Still should have caught it, if it hits ones hands and all that...

9 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

There is a lot to unpack here.  Regarding the Manning stats, you have to ask how many of those yards are YAC?  What about the fifteen incompletions?  Any dropped INTs?  It is possible for another QB to play better but not have the conventional metrics show that.

Regarding Foles, Pederson said his performance in SB LVII was the highest grade he'd ever given out.  And that grade and PFF's would most likely had given Foles a plus for the pass to Jeffrey that turned into the INT.

Here is the top 5 of that week.

 

In regards to Foles, Brady had the better day in a loss.

 

39 minutes ago, downundermike said:

They keep saying it, but still no quotes to back it up.  The problem is, they take statements like this as rooting from him to fail, not the facts that they are.

 

"Jalen Hurts completed 52% of his passes"

"Jalen Hurts completed less than 47% of his second half passes"

"Jalen Hurts led the Eagles to points on 2 of 22 second half possessions as the starter"

Nice agenda, Washer.

1 minute ago, Swoop said:

Huh, bizarre. Throw wasn't bad though or so I've been told.

Sirianni just wants Hurts to fail because he loves Wentz

2 minutes ago, downundermike said:

In regards to Foles, Brady had the better day in a loss.

 

Burton had the best day.   Amendola had the worst.  Brady and Foles were inconsequential to the outcome, unless we are discussing their receiving skills.  In that case, Foles > Brady and its not even close.

I agree with PFFs numbers when they support my pre-established beliefs and think they are BS when they do not.

Guys, if Ertz doesn't drop that ball, Jalen doesn't miss the pass to Reagor, he hits that huge TD pass to Watkins with 10 D on the field, he scrambles for 30+ yards instead of 3 and the throw away was instead a bomb for a TD, Hurts had an amazing game.

40 minutes ago, downundermike said:

They keep saying it, but still no quotes to back it up.  The problem is, they take statements like this as rooting from him to fail, not the facts that they are.

 

"Jalen Hurts completed 52% of his passes"

"Jalen Hurts completed less than 47% of his second half passes"

"Jalen Hurts led the Eagles to points on 2 of 22 second half possessions as the starter"

I'm not defending Hurts because I'm still skeptical but there are posters who say he's going to fail, we're wasting our time, etc.  

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

In regards to Foles, Brady had the better day in a loss.

 

He had a better quarterback rating.  I saw the game...Foles was the better QB that day.

PFF considers the difficulty of the throw, the placement of the pass, drops, decision making in the pocket, etc. - things not effectively captured by the standard quarterback rating.  You are welcome to use it as your metric.  But it's not absolute.

 

 

 

 

Also, Hurts still hasn't completed a pass to a WR.

2 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Guys, if Ertz doesn't drop that ball, Jalen doesn't miss the pass to Reagor, he hits that huge TD pass to Watkins with 10 D on the field, he scrambles for 30+ yards instead of 3 and the throw away was instead a bomb for a TD, Hurts had an amazing game.

According to you.  I'd still like to see PFF's score on this hypothetical outcome.

5 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

He had a better quarterback rating.

Brady QBR 88.3, Foles 84.9

Brady rating 115.4, Foles 106.1

Looks like Brady's numbers are both better to me.

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

Brady QBR 88.3, Foles 84.9

Brady rating 115.4, Foles 106.1

Looks like Brady's numbers are both better to me.

Yes, "He" is Brady.  Better QBR and rating.  I know math.

PFF looks beyond results and evaluates the quality of the process.  Example...the metrics above give Flacco credit for a 73-yard TD when all he did was throw the ball ten yards sideways.  The ratings are an effective shorthand.  Coaches grade their players by reviewing the film and evaluating the process.

7 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Also, Hurts still hasn't completed a pass to a WR.

The only conclusion to draw there is either Hurts sucks, our WRs suck, our new offensive system/coaches suck, or some combination of all 3.

Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Man....can't you guys get along?  Always arguing about stuff.

1 hour ago, downundermike said:

Good god.  We are not allowed to talk about the play ??  I did say it was a drop, but it could have been a better pass.  At the end of the day, he completed 3 of 7 passes, and only complete passes to the TE.  It is a pre season game, and he will get more reps.  But the next pass he completed to a WR in the pre season will be the first.

 

It's the definition of nitpicking.  Looking at the game thread last night, you predictably had nothing but negative things to say about him.  You start by complaining about how he didn't run out in front of the team out of the locker room.  No comment about his nice pass to Goedert.  But then right back at it first opportunity to complain about his pass to Reagor that was dropped.

 

3 of 7 but should have been 4 of 7 if not for incompletions.  

16 hours ago, jwill2420 said:

Someone said he could be Maclin. I can only dream. 

He won't. 

7 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

3 of 7 but should have been 4 of 7 if not for incompletions.  

Actually he would’ve been 7 for 7 if not for incompletions

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Hi Muffin,

 

That sounds like the last 3 years of some posters and Wentz....

Last 3 years sounds like what we’ve done from the time we drafted mcnabb and every QB. RTK is the least person who should upset by it. he routinely did so with other QBs we’ve had. 

Just now, downundermike said:

Actually he would’ve been 7 for 7 if not for incompletions

No he’d be 8/7. Everyone who understands fractions knows that. 

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Last 3 years sounds like what we’ve done from the time we drafted mcnabb and every QB. RTK is the least person who should upset by it. he routinely did so with other QBs we’ve had.

Isn’t he the same poster that got banned from the previous board, for complaining about, nitpicking, and bashing the only Eagles quarterback to ever win a Super Bowl.