1 hour ago, Swoop said:

I've mentioned this before, but does no one else see the irony? I'm not defending Dillard, truly, buts it's amazing that people declare he's a bust and completely write him off over four starts, but if you question/criticize Hurts after 4 games it's unacceptable.

What?

Dillard isnt going anywhere.  Howie wont get rid of a 1st round pick this quickly unless someone offers a good deal for him, which is unlikely. 

Not sure why it's a big deal for Howie.  Lots of O-lineman picked in the 1st didnt work out.  Happens all the time.  Wouldn't be the 1st time its happened to us.

8 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I felt this way back in April/may. If he lost the competition to Mailata (personally believed mailata would be the starter unless they named dillard the starter for the fact he was a 2019 first rounder). Even if he improved and mailata was just overall better i thought they’d look to trade him to get some draft capital back. As a backup olineman the eagles like versatility from their backups. He can only play LT at the moment. So you are paying him first round money to be strictly backup LT, he hasn’t looked good in camp and now he’s hurt again. They have Driscoll who can play both tackle spots and Clark as well. 

im one of the few who didn’t love that pick when it was made. He fell because he was an older prospect at 23 and 24 during rookie season, who had issues in every level he’s played with potentially quitting which the athletic discussed, needed to add strength and on top of it cause of the offense Wazzu runs he was a giant unknown in run blocking. He had great feet/footwork and was good pass blocker. I thought it was a huge red flag that he fell to where he did. Tbh i disliked that entire draft

I didn't like the  pick either, I thought they should have just rolled with Mailata, and I thought it was risky taking a player one hadn't even ever thoroughly scouted.

It's one thing to unexpectedly draft a guy who unexpectedly dropped but to have done next to zero homework on a first round pick one drafted is pretty stupid but not surprising for Howie who looks at the draft as a value chart and drafts players based on where they fall on that chart according to their draft value not their actual talent 

Dillard was an excellent value pick, he was projected to go much higher and eagles obviously had him graded higher.

And drafting a dude one hadn't scouted based on value alone was a risk that hasn't paid off.

Offense has some weapons.  Shame they don't have a QB.

Dillard is the Ben Simmons of offensive tackles. Now Howie just needs to begin shopping him by asking each team for every one of their best young prospects,  and all of their first round picks for the next 4 years. 

Should be traded any day now. 

17 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Dillard is the Ben Simmons of offensive tackles. Now Howie just needs to begin shopping him by asking each team for every one of their best young prospects,  and all of their first round picks for the next 4 years. 

Should be traded any day now. 

 

Not a fitting comparison.  While Simmons has awful shooting ability and confidence to take a shot that turns him into a major liability he is still arguably the best defensive player in the league and does have excellent vision and passing ability on offense. 

1 minute ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Not a fitting comparison.  While Simmons has awful shooting ability and confidence to take a shot that turns him into a major liability he is still arguably the best defensive player in the league and does have excellent vision and passing ability on offense. 

oh 

7 hours ago, Swoop said:

@jmac+djaxallday 

How many "serviceable" QBs have won a SB over the last 20 years? How many have even gotten there?

Won:

Tom Brady (2001)

Joe Flacco (2012)

Nick Foles (2017)

Brad Johnson (2002)

Eli Manning (2007)

Peyton Manning (2015)

Ben Roethlisbereger (2005, 2008)

Lost:

Jake Delhomme (2003)

Rex Grossman (2006)

Colin Kaepernick (2012)

And I'm being very generous by describing some of those guys as serviceable.

2 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

oh 

 

Markell Fultz would be better

2 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

The only awesome thing about that defense was Connor Barwin. And he was awesome to watch. He was as disruptive in that defense as prime JJ Watt was at the time. 

Everyone else pretty much stunk.

The ways Barwin was used was crazy, he really did it all.  He might not have showed up on the stat sheet in huge ways, but wow...was he amazing.

4 minutes ago, jmac+djaxallday said:

Won:

Tom Brady (2001)

Joe Flacco (2012)

Nick Foles (2017)

Brad Johnson (2002)

Eli Manning (2007)

Peyton Manning (2015)

Ben Roethlisbereger (2005, 2008)

Lost:

Jake Delhomme (2003)

Rex Grossman (2006)

Colin Kaepernick (2012)

And I'm being very generous by describing some of those guys as serviceable.

Yea most of those were defensive SB wins except for 2017

3 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Yea most of those were defensive SB wins except for 2017

Including Ben's first SB.  

Playoff Flacco was elite IMO, he was like the anti Peyton.  Meh in the regular season and lights out in the playoffs.  He was a different player in the playoffs up till that extension (and injury).

1 minute ago, Mike030270 said:

Yea most of those were defensive SB wins except for 2017

That's the point.  You don't need a great QB or even necessarily a good one if the rest of the team is elite.

29 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Offense has some weapons.  Shame they don't have a QB.

Fascinating. When the Eagles had a "QB” all I seemed  to read around here was how the guy had no weapons, but now (same weapons mind you) we are stacked with weapons and no QB???

3 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Fascinating. When the Eagles had a "QB” all I seemed  to read around here was how the guy had no weapons, but now (same weapons mind you) we are stacked with weapons and no QB???

Yeah, considering most were rookies who hadn't developed that holds true.

Just now, Diehardfan said:

Yeah, considering most were rookies who hadn't developed that holds true.

But the quarterback you’re trashing was also a rookie. Also Ward, Fulgham, Goedert, Ertz, Sanders, and Scott are not rookies. 

9 minutes ago, jmac+djaxallday said:

That's the point.  You don't need a great QB or even necessarily a good one if the rest of the team is elite.

Disagree...

Brad Johnson - Raiders threw the game

Ben's first - refs and NFL gave Cowher and Bus a ring

Any of P. Manning's SB's - faced rex frigun Grossman and lol cam newton 

 

Eli's 2 were the closest to a game manager doing enough to win while the defense carried.  The others were sheer dumb luck, blatant league intervention (Flacco almost didn't have a SB because of this) and terrible opponents who shouldn't have been in the game.  You could probably throw Brady's first into the mix.

 

 

 

6 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

But the quarterback you’re trashing was also a rookie. Also Ward, Fulgham, Goedert, Ertz, Sanders, and Scott are not rookies. 

Yeah, except he is a playmaking QB who can't throw the ball. He is what he is. 

13 minutes ago, jmac+djaxallday said:

That's the point.  You don't need a great QB or even necessarily a good one if the rest of the team is elite.

It's kind of difficult to create SB winning defenses though

3 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Yeah, except he is a playmaking QB who can't throw the ball. He is what he is. 

Yeah you don’t know what he is anymore than I do, but I do hope he proves all the haters wrong. 

9 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Yeah, except he is a playmaking QB who can't throw the ball. He is what he is. 

Careful, people get their feelings hurt when you talk that way. 

20 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

Disagree...

Brad Johnson - Raiders threw the game

Ben's first - refs and NFL gave Cowher and Bus a ring

Any of P. Manning's SB's - faced rex frigun Grossman and lol cam newton 

 

Eli's 2 were the closest to a game manager doing enough to win while the defense carried.  The others were sheer dumb luck, blatant league intervention (Flacco almost didn't have a SB because of this) and terrible opponents who shouldn't have been in the game.  You could probably throw Brady's first into the mix.

 

 

 

I dont think raiders threw the game, Callahan used the same plays and calls as when gruden was the head coach didn't change anything and the BUCS knew every play before the raiders did 

You really think Jerry rice Tim brown and rich Gannon are going to let their idiot coach throw the game, you think any one in the Davis family would ever throw a game for the league???

Trent dilfer sucked, had an amazing defense and running game.won a super bowl.

Jeff Hostettler had a nick Foles post season moment behind a good D and running game.

Mark rypien was trash albeit for one season for a 1991 super bowl redskins team some call the best team ever. Yet their Qb was meh.

Russell Wilson won his super bowl while under rookie contract, same with Mahomes.

Once these qbs get the big bucks it makes it harder to build a team because so much is allocated to one position.

If hurts can be a competent game manager the eagles could win if the had a good roster around him 

Problem is the rest of the roster isn't that good 

38 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

excellent vision and passing ability

Wrong.  This is a totally overrated part of his game.  He is an ok passer and has average vision.

37 minutes ago, jmac+djaxallday said:

Won:

Tom Brady (2001)

Joe Flacco (2012)

Nick Foles (2017)

Brad Johnson (2002)

Eli Manning (2007)

Peyton Manning (2015)

Ben Roethlisbereger (2005, 2008)

Lost:

Jake Delhomme (2003)

Rex Grossman (2006)

Colin Kaepernick (2012)

And I'm being very generous by describing some of those guys as serviceable.

The Rams suck so much everyone forgets Jared Goff. 

3 hours ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

 

Like being on the field for 40 minutes a game?

Like going with Cary to shop for wall sconces?

Loved this throw from Hurts.  Two pass rushers coming right at him, he gets off a perfect pass to hit Goedert in stride as he is cutting out towards the sideline.