5 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

It’s shocking how poor all of our WRs’ attention to detail was last year. Reagor was awful. Fulgham couldn’t run routes at the correct pace to help create space with our route combinations. Ward did the same occasionally. Hightower allegedly was our best route runner and pretty much got pushed around at all times. 

It was shocking to hear Avant talk about that receiver room and how sloppy they were when helped coach the unit. It was even worse when we heard Reagor talk about having a purpose with every route — inside or outside release to create space for not only himself but the other War in the route combination. Slow playing the release to allow the other player to clear. Crap like that. It makes me wonder what the hell Aaron Moorehead was doing last year. 

I don’t expect rookie WRs to be finished products as rookies, but how in the hell were they not taught that, like it’s some kind of foreign thought?

I think some of that falls back on the pandemic wreaking havoc on mini camps and training camps and not getting to work with the younger receivers on the team. It’s why at the start of last year i thought the eagles didn’t do a good enough job with the WR corps if they expected to be a legit playoff contender. Desean was unreliable to be available every week so you were going to have to try on young WRs and ward who missed all those camps and thrown into the fire. 

4 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

JFC.  How were you that one Sam Bradford year when we won all of those pre-season games.  Were you this jazzed?  Did you buy Super Bowl tickets?  Be honest.  Because that was a heck of lot more meaningful than a practice.  or 1v1 drills.  

 

 

Oh and that guy Tom Petersen is a moron and a dork.  

 

 

That's not you I hope.  

If it was me, I'd have videos for everything I discuss here. Your opinion of him means nothing to me. I appreciate his knowledge of football, his dedication to the Eagles, and his work making videos. I respect that a whole lot more than arguments where someone just attacks me as all or part of their argument. Have you got some video showing Reagor's lack of attention to detail? I doubt it. You'll probably just tag this post with another confused emote and give a token reply. It's okay. Not everybody here really wants to discuss football. I'm getting used to it.

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I think some of that falls back on the pandemic wreaking havoc on mini camps and training camps and not getting to work with the younger receivers on the team. It’s why at the start of last year i thought the eagles didn’t do a good enough job with the WR corps if they expected to be a legit playoff contender. Desean was unreliable to be available every week so you were going to have to try on young WRs and ward. 

Zoom meetings are actually pretty ideal for explaining the "why” behind pacing and route concepts. I’m not allowing that to be an excuse. 

4 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Zoom meetings are actually pretty ideal for explaining the "why” behind pacing and route concepts. I’m not allowing that to be an excuse. 

Depends on what type of learners you have. Some need to actually be on the field practicing routinely to get it down. I’m less of a zoom type of learner then i am if I’m actually performing it over and over. Also my attention span on a zoom compared to in person in a room is different. 

Not that it excuses them for an entire season of not learning it but i could see why it would take longer  

14 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

I'm not sure where that leaves the bar in your mind. It's very rare for QBs to be stud franchise QBs during their first couple seasons. Are we talking 2nd season McNabb or Mahomes? 

I mean, realistically, I don't expect him to be an All Pro in year 2. I do expect to see improvement. I'd like to see completion percentage over 63%, less fumbling, leadership on display, command of the offense, and strong play in clutch situations. 

I know a guy who threw for 3300 yards, 33 TD’s and 7 picks in 13 games his second year and would have been MVP if not for a freak leg injury.

9 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

It’s shocking how poor all of our WRs’ attention to detail was last year. Reagor was awful. Fulgham couldn’t run routes at the correct pace to help create space with our route combinations. Ward did the same occasionally. Hightower allegedly was our best route runner and pretty much got pushed around at all times. 

It was shocking to hear Avant talk about that receiver room and how sloppy they were when helped coach the unit. It was even worse when we heard Reagor talk about having a purpose with every route — inside or outside release to create space for not only himself but the other War in the route combination. Slow playing the release to allow the other player to clear. Crap like that. It makes me wonder what the hell Aaron Moorehead was doing last year. 

I don’t expect rookie WRs to be finished products as rookies, but how in the hell were they not taught that, like it’s some kind of foreign thought?

It's not all that surprising from that group. Young, inexperienced, and not all that talented. It wasn't a good WR room. Coaching definitely didn't help.

6 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

How often will he line up against press? It’s silly to disregard his route running when not facing the press. It all matters. And you can set your formation to keep him off press. 

How many WRs in the NFL can win 1-on-1 against soft man coverage? Most, pretty easily. It's way more difficult with a CB in your face. That's when you're a difference maker. He is a first round pick after all.

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

9 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

I think some of that falls back on the pandemic wreaking havoc on mini camps and training camps and not getting to work with the younger receivers on the team.

Didn’t seem to impact Justin Jefferson.

4 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Didn’t seem to impact Justin Jefferson.

Was a way more polished player than reagor and wasn’t a 6/7th round picks like Watkins (coming from southern miss) and hightower (Boise state). I also think it helps having a guy like thielen to lean on in the locker room then injured alshon and DeSean. 

Also as much as we bash cousins, he still wasn’t nearly as bad as the Eagles QBs last year. 

3 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Yeah and he has fallen pretty far since then.  But hey....Reagor turned the corner after a few nice catches in practice.  

You don’t want to know what this place is gonna be like if reagor goes off in the PS game Thursday. 

3 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I'll discuss actual football.  Not 1v1 practices and clips that he you got off of someone else on the internet.  

 

Here is proof of Reagors lack of attention to detail......

 

 

 

 

 

HE F-ING FAILED A PHYSICAL HE HAD MONTHS TO PREPARE FOR.  

 

 

Great work. Just 26 words later, already breaking your promise. So, next time I have a physical, I guess I'm a football player?

2 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

It's not all that surprising from that group. Young, inexperienced, and not all that talented. It wasn't a good WR room. Coaching definitely didn't help.

How many WRs in the NFL can win 1-on-1 against soft man coverage? Most, pretty easily. It's way more difficult with a CB in your face. That's when you're a difference maker. He is a first round pick after all.

Reagor had the second worst score ever vs man coverage in Matt Harmon’s reception perception. He wasn’t beating any coverage. 

We knew Reagor was a Z who should move into the slot to create mismatches. That alone will get him off press. He can get sent in motion. Teams are moving mostly to zone and press in man coverage less than 50 percent of the time. 

I’m not saying that beating press coverage isn’t important. We need at least one who can do it, obviously. But winning vs non-press coverage isn’t nearly as easy as you think. 

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I hope he does.  Means more than 1v1 or scrimmages.  I'm gonna laugh my ass off.  

 

I suspect it’ll look something like this if he does go off 

18 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

I'm not sure where that leaves the bar in your mind. It's very rare for QBs to be stud franchise QBs during their first couple seasons. Are we talking 2nd season McNabb or Mahomes? 

I mean, realistically, I don't expect him to be an All Pro in year 2. I do expect to see improvement. I'd like to see completion percentage over 63%, less fumbling, leadership on display, command of the offense, and strong play in clutch situations. 

Well, according to some, he's the personification of a volcano spewing leadership lava who should probably be declared the global chancellor right now.

What I'm looking for...I'm actually OK with higher than ideal totals for INT's, fumbles, sacks.  As a 2nd year player, he has time to clean up that stuff.  While his completion % needs to improve, I won't harp on that too much either.  I'm looking for him to NOT be captain checkdown, to use the whole field, WRs and TEs, move the offense through his arm, not through his legs, Sanders' legs, or smoke and mirrors misdirection at the LOS.  Drop some deep balls right in the basket.  Hit guys in stride downfield on crossers.

I'm looking for a high volume of big things with his arm.  And I am OK with the mistakes that come with that.  I'll get on him for the 180 yard passing 70 yard rushing performances...that's an express ticket to nowhere.

Just now, eagle45 said:

Well, according to some, he's the personification of a volcano spewing leadership lava who should probably be declared the global chancellor right now.

What I'm looking for...I'm actually OK with higher than ideal totals for INT's, fumbles, sacks.  As a 2nd year player, he has time to clean up that stuff.  While his completion % needs to improve, I won't harp on that too much either.  I'm looking for him to NOT be captain checkdown, to use the whole field, WRs and TEs, move the offense through his arm, not through his legs, Sanders' legs, or smoke and mirrors misdirection at the LOS.  Drop some deep balls right in the basket.  Hit guys in stride downfield on crossers.

I'm looking for a high volume of big things with his arm.  And I am OK with the mistakes that come with that.  I'll get on him for the 180 yard passing 70 yard rushing performances...that's an express ticket to nowhere.

So, basically trending in the right direction. Kind of like McNabb in his 2nd year. 

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

Reagor had the second worst score ever vs man coverage in Matt Harmon’s reception perception. He wasn’t beating any coverage. 

We knew Reagor was a Z who should move into the slot to create mismatches. That alone will get him off press. He can get sent in motion. Teams are moving mostly to zone and press in man coverage less than 50 percent of the time. 

I’m not saying that beating press coverage isn’t important. We need at least one who can do it, obviously. But winning vs non-press coverage isn’t nearly as easy as you think. 

I remember people last year commenting on how Reagor was open often. He just wasnt always getting the ball. 

I dont remember if it was people in here, or tweets from reporters. But I remember it for sure.

Then this year you posted Harmon's stats. And Im like ok, lets wait and see.

And now you have Reagor snapping off routes against our CBs, and Steelers CBs, and Patriots CBs... and Im starting to think Harmon might not know what he was looking at. 

Ive kind of always thought reagor’s ceiling if he reached it was Chris chambers just due to his athletic ability and really good leap ability. That’s who he reminded me of in coming out. To me his floor would be like a career like for Cordarelle Patterson (not that he like him just that type of career). 

if we expect him to be jefferson i don’t think he’s ever going to be that even if he reached his ceiling. 

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

I remember people last year commenting on how Reagor was open often. He just wasnt always getting the ball. 

I dont remember if it was people in here, or tweets from reporters. But I remember it for sure.

Then this year you posted Harmon's stats. And Im like ok, lets wait and see.

And now you have Reagor snapping off routes against our CBs, and Steelers CBs, and Patriots CBs... and Im starting to think Harmon might not know what he was looking at. 

That’s dumb. Reagor snapping off good routes this year has nothing to do with how bad he was last year. Harmon knows his stuff. 

5 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Well, according to some, he's the personification of a volcano spewing leadership lava who should probably be declared the global chancellor right now.

What I'm looking for...I'm actually OK with higher than ideal totals for INT's, fumbles, sacks.  As a 2nd year player, he has time to clean up that stuff.  While his completion % needs to improve, I won't harp on that too much either.  I'm looking for him to NOT be captain checkdown, to use the whole field, WRs and TEs, move the offense through his arm, not through his legs, Sanders' legs, or smoke and mirrors misdirection at the LOS.  Drop some deep balls right in the basket.  Hit guys in stride downfield on crossers.

I'm looking for a high volume of big things with his arm.  And I am OK with the mistakes that come with that.  I'll get on him for the 180 yard passing 70 yard rushing performances...that's an express ticket to nowhere.

Why could i see Jon gruden saying something like this about him lol 

3 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

So, basically trending in the right direction. Kind of like McNabb in his 2nd year. 

McNabb was always an erratic passer who wasn’t good enough to win it all, so I’d rather set the bar higher.

2000 was also a different NFL.  Mcnabb was an mvp runner up quarterback because of what he did with his legs while being a below average system qb level passer in year 2.  In 2021, that’s not acceptable.

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

You’re serious, aren’t you?   

Dude, do you really think Reagor "failed his physical?" Are you that naive? I think most people understood that "lower body tightness" was a euphemism for "needs personal time to deal with loss of friend."

1 minute ago, brkmsn said:

Dude, do you really think Reagor "failed his physical?" Are you that naive? I think most people understood that "lower body tightness" was a euphemism for "needs personal time to deal with loss of friend."

While I’d normally buy that, didn’t they say he failed his conditioning tests.  
 

If you are making up something to give him some time grieving, either the truth works best or make up something less damning than failing a conditioning test.

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

McNabb was always an erratic passer who wasn’t good enough to win it all, so I’d rather set the bar higher.

2000 was also a different NFL.  Mcnabb was an mvp runner up quarterback because of what he did with his legs while being a below average system qb level passer in year 2.  In 2021, that’s not acceptable.

McNabb wasn't perfect, but he was a franchise QB. The last sentence is curious. Why isn't that acceptable now? Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson took this approach in their growth. I think it's still applicable today. 

Just now, brkmsn said:

McNabb wasn't perfect, but he was a franchise QB. The last sentence is curious. Why isn't that acceptable now? Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson took this approach in their growth. I think it's still applicable today. 

Whether fair or unfair to Hurts, i think the eagles are going to Make a decision on him based on year 2. With the ammunition they have in the draft to get a QB or trade for one, i think the Eagles are saying prove to us you can be a franchise QB this year with your play cause with the ammo we have we aren’t just going to just hope year 3 you take a huge step forward. I think he has to do that this year in order for the eagles not to go after a different QB draft or trade 

5 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

McNabb wasn't perfect, but he was a franchise QB. The last sentence is curious. Why isn't that acceptable now? Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson took this approach in their growth. I think it's still applicable today. 

I hate Lamar Jackson as a qb.  Josh Allen was not good in year 2.  His 3rd year was a surprise.

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

While I’d normally buy that, didn’t they say he failed his conditioning tests.  
 

If you are making up something to give him some time grieving, either the truth works best or make up something less damning than failing a conditioning test.

 

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Yeah sure.  Change the subject from you thinking a physical a pro athlete gets is the same as one that you and I would get.   LOL. 
 

You’ll defend this guy to no end.  So the team would make up the failed physical stuff?  For what reason?  It makes him look worse, not better.  

First, you missed the point. You said you would talk about real football (insinuating that practice isn't discussion worthy) --- then immediately put him down for "failing a physical" (as if that is a football game). Still over your head or are you going to keep harping on that? 

To the main point --- I could be wrong, but I would assume "failing the physical" would give the Eagles an out on paying him for not being a full participant. It probably appears better than reporting him "mentally unstable."