4 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

No thanks. Andy's been doing it 3 times longer, with better numbers and doing it  with guys like McNab, Alex Smith, Vick while he had Montana. 

We always said, what if Andy had a big name, AWESOME QB, and he has it with Mahomes. 

In 3 years with Mahomes, Reid has had the top offensive yards twice. 

In 10 years, Mostly with Montana, Walsh only did it once. 

Walsh was great and he and Montana were special together and I think Walsh did a better job of implementing an offense that was ahead of the league at the time more than he was at developing qbs.

Reid has a pretty solid record developing qbs, he made AJ feeley look competent, he went to the playoffs with an old Jeff Garcia made kolb competent enough to trade a high pick for and took a scrambling aging Vick and made him into a respectable passer.

Meanwhile like you say Walsh has Montana.

Reagor  QB was a true freshman , that aside ,Duggan  isn’t the cause of the drops , blocking , motor that ran more cold than hot , and his lack of physicality  .

5 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Imagine Bill Walsh drawing up plays in this offensive friendly era?  

I guess Lombardi was a chump too, look at the coaches who put up better stats than him!

5 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

Reagor  QB was a true freshman , that aside ,Duggan  isn’t the cause of the drops , blocking , motor that ran more cold than hot , and his lack of physicality  .

But he was the cause of a bunch of crappy off target throws. There’s no denying that. 

In all seriousness, Andy Reid is one of the greats at developing QBs. No question. But as a HC, he's got his share of flaws. Clock management, run/pass issues, etc. And he's not even the greatest HC in his own era, easily dwarfed by Belichek. 

4 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Yup seems once he realized his college qb sucked he just mailed it in.

Hopefully he's matured and if not hopefully his qb is good enough for him to not mail it in.

I think he has some good influences around him, say what one will about hurts but he's respected in that locker room, I think Devonta Smith will also hold reagor accountable and Siriani also seems like he's been on him since day one, which is good, coaches dont allocate alot of time with players they don't think are any good they get on the player they think is 

We'll see , it's still early and the improvement in camp and practice is encouraging  though it's seemed to got the haters on this board undies in a bunch.

I will say that he seems to be thriving on the competition.  He sees other receivers stepping it up and it he isn't shying away from trying to get better.  He also seems to like that Quez is playing well and that Devonte is with the team.  Ultimately, it's meaningless unless he is productive on the field. I think there's a narrative that he can't be a volume receiver.  I look at him and he reminds me of Steve Smith.  I think he has the potential to get to his level of productivity which would be around 80 catches a season.  I think a 50 to 60 catch season for him would be a win for this year.  

18 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I've seen and heard it all now.  Little does that goofball know if not for Bill Walsh, Andy Reid wouldn't have the offensive philosophy that he does/did.  

Wait....Andy Reid didn't create the West Coast Offense?  I thought he was the GOAT?  

 

 

He’s a Steeler fan. It’s in his nature to be beyond delusional 

 

4 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

wont hear me argue that. I just said that he was the greatest offensive minded/QB developer HC's in history 

He's turned trash into gold numerous times (I actually think MCnabb would of sucked else where) while Belichek and Walsh, and a bunch others have proven they are EXTREMELY QB dependent where Reid was not

You do know Steve Young was drafted by the Bucs and was average before landing with the Niners? McNabb was extremely naturally gifted. 

39 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

You do know Steve Young was drafted by the Bucs and was average before landing with the Niners? McNabb was extremely naturally gifted. 

Steve young won his super bowl under seifert 

Walsh left in 89 Young got there in 88

So two seasons with Walsh 5 with seifert and a bunch with mooch.

 

 

1 hour ago, Bacarty2 said:

I think it shows how important it is to be drafted by the right team. I've said this a couple times, but in my opinion, if Mahomes, Lamar and even Josh Allen ended up with teams like the Dolphins, Jets, broncos, they'd be a shell of themselves. 

Harbaugh changed the entire playbook and is offensive minded for Lamar. 

Andy is the GOAT in my opinion of OC's/HC

And Brian Daboll should of gotten a HC job this year. 

I don't think Daboll was interested in interviewing for any of the openings. 

 

52 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

So you’re Shocker? Knew it 

Shocker was funny sometimes, this guy isn't at all

1 hour ago, RLC said:

I don't have as much sympathy for Fulgham this off-season. Devonta Smith is/was out. Hightower is apparently a mess. All he had to do was be competent and he'd knock JJAW off the roster. Watkins/Reagor are improving. Jackson looks better and better at TE. It's not a coaching issue.

I don't have sympathy for anyone.  The NFL is a tough business and there is always someone else drafted or brought in to take your spot.  I defend Reagor and Dillard a lot on here, but it's totally up to them if they're going to be players or not.  Dillard will apparently be coming off the bench at this point; if/when he's called upon (Mailata typically misses a bit of time because of his back) it's his job to perform -- if he can't, then down the road he goes.

Dillard in ways reminds me of Shawn Andrews. 

2 minutes ago, What The F said:

Dillard in ways reminds me of Shawn Andrews. 

 

I don't the comparison because Shawn Andrew's was genuinely dominant and great.  Dillard was never anything close to that at the pro level. 

19 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

I feel like people hate to just hate. 

I'm not taking anything away from Walsh. I just think Andy's numbers, with his lack of QB talent is far more impressive and if I had a rookie QB on my team tomorrow, and I had a choice between REID or Walsh (in their prime) I'd pick AR and I dont think it would be that close. 

Not to mention Walsh had the benefit of having a qb throw to the greatest WR in the history of the game, that probably helps a little.

Meanwhile Reid was going to NFCCG with thrash and pinkston😬

4 minutes ago, What The F said:

Dillard in ways reminds me of Shawn Andrews. 

Lol yeah a two time pro bowler and 1 time All pro who at one point could be argued was the best OG in the game reminds you of a first round bust OT???

Come on now...

Dillard is far closer to Danny Watkins than Shawn Andrews at this point

I like RedWolves. Good name

2 hours ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

I don't understand why it is such a crime to be happy that a 1st round pick is making positive strides right now.  Those catches were insane.  To see him making contributions in camp and getting positive reviews from his coach and the media is a good thing.  Right?  

My feelings on him have not changed, since draft day.  IMO, he will be a major contributor to the Eagles over his career.  He has too much raw talent, but fell into a bad, bad situation last year.  He just needs hard coaching and time to mature and develop.

Some just like being negative

It's a good thing and it's ok to be excited about it

4 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Pretty sure he meant frailty/mentality.  Not actual play on the field.  

Andrews was diagnosed with bi polar, wasn't that he wasnt mentally tough he was sick 

When he broke his leg no one said he wasn't mentally tough.

Bi polar is a real thing.

A guy like Dillard I think just sucks.

31 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Great, he is a leader. Shame that doesn't come with better passing skills.  He will be the guy who maybe sneaks them into the playoffs in a bad division and is never be good enough to win. 2 or 3 wasted years later they have to find a new one.

1 minute ago, Utebird said:

Lol yeah a two time pro bowler and 1 time All pro who at one point could be argued was the best OG in the game reminds you of a first round bust OT???

Come on now...

Dillard was touted as a beast coming out of college and one of the steals of the draft. All the physical tools in the world to dominate. But he doesnt have it between the ears. If Andrews could have kept his head straight he would be a hall of famer. But no. a few very good years then just walked away.  Point being, both with immense physical talent but heart/brain just arent in it. 

1 minute ago, Diehardfan said:

Great, he is a leader. Shame that doesn't come with better passing skills.  He will be the guy who maybe sneaks them into the playoffs in a bad division and is never be good enough to win. 2 or 3 wasted years later they have to find a new one.

 

He throws some really nice balls so the passing skills are there.  23 year old that just needs to develop further. Has all the leadership intangibles and work ethic to successfully develop the other aspects of his game. 

3 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Great, he is a leader. Shame that doesn't come with better passing skills.  He will be the guy who maybe sneaks them into the playoffs in a bad division and is never be good enough to win. 2 or 3 wasted years later they have to find a new one.

I mean we'll see what happens when the game matters. But the opposite end would be Jay Cutler. Good passing skills but an equally horrible leader. I'm more optimistic now about Hurts than I was a month ago. September and onwards will tell the story.