4 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Aww.  Thanks. 

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, sure 

There's no reason not to carry Jackson. We were going to carry him anyway.

Also: Trade Zach Ertz.

14 hours ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

 You're citing NFL.com preseason rankings of another teams defense and how our offense played "extremely well" against that defense in ....not a meaningless preseason game....NO.......A PRACTICE!!!  You can't make this ish up.  Two practices that you are getting snippets of reports from and you were able to take away that they played "extremely well"?  Or do you have more information that the rest of us don't.  Do you know if they were in pads?  Was it walk throughs?  7v7?  Red Zone?  Full scrimmage?  What was the final score of this make believe, meaningful contest your using as proof?  Yeah, I would definitely call that an "odd take".  

 

So in one weeks time, Reagor has turned the corner in your eyes.  What if he has a bad game thursday?  Or a bad practice later in the week?  Or a bad week next week?  Does that mean all of the greatness from this week is washed away?  Or does that only matter when the arrow is pointing up, not down?  Just would like to know what the rules are here.  

And you are basing everything on what?  Your decided negativity towards the player and team because of a bad year in the Covid year, your conclusion that Sirianni was some sort of desperation grab or a bad one, despite the suggestion his team is doing well in joint practices against McDaniel (coaching candidate) and Belichek.  And your conclusion that Reagor is a failure when many rookies take a year to grow and he came into the league as an unfinished product.  Don’t even pretend that you were on the Jefferson bandwagon with @Iggles_Phan and me before the draft last year.  Were you or any of us at practices?  Do we even know what is being called or focused on in 7 on 7s, 11 on 11s or even one on ones and drills?  But the suggestion is he is running crisper routes and obviously yesterday he showed that 42” vertical leap from the Combine.  

By the way, what’s interesting is the reporters are finally talking about Ward.  Hell, even Kempski referred to him as a veteran who will make the team yesterday   Tidbits about good catches and routes. And you are starting to see concerns about Fulgham.  Lack of separation and too many drops.  What little I see on Fluff with Dave and Fran, I see too much basket catching.  JJAW and Fulgham may be playing for the same spot on the team and JJAW may beat him out.  Remember the piece on Sirianni developing Pascal by first noticing his blocking at the Colts then developing routes for his skill set?  (BTW, Pascal was a teammate of Fulgham at ODu).  The one thing we know JJAW does well is block.  May be the best blocking WR on the team.  Wouldn’t be surprised if Sirianni builds off that but he will have a crucial point in about four weeks to fish or cut bait with him.  Interesting that yesterday Kempski who concentrated on WRs said he sees JJAW as likely making the team.

Now I ragged on JJAW for reflecting instead of working out with Hurts this offseason.  Some may recall when there were posts of Hurts working out primarily with Ward and Watkins but also some with Smith and Reagor.  I kept asking where Hightower and Fulgham were. Well that working on their game is paying off for Watkins and working with Sirianni may be about to produce dividends with Reagor, which is reason for hope.

So set the rules on how you think others should develop their opinions.  Those rules seem as flawed as Howie as a GM.  May be that you are wrong about your assumptions about the Sirianni hire and his ability.  Then again, the proof is in the chess matches in play design and calling against some well developed masters over the coming season.  Not PS, they just play checkers in PS.  More strategy in a game of RPS than in PS "games”.   Joint practices > PS games. 

11 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Not sure how you fire he regressed under Walsh.  His  two highest completion percentages are 87 and 89, his 9th and 11th season in the league.

As for taking Rice away, Joe Montana highest completion % with 9ers

1989 - 70.2% ( with Rice )

1987 - 66.8% ( with Rice )

1984 - 64.6% ( no Rice )

1980 - 64.5% ( no Rice )

1983 - 64.5% ( no Rice )

1981 - 63.7% ( no Rice )

 

What's your point.

We all know Montana is better than McNabb by a lot 

We're talking about developing qbs.

And no one least if all me us suggesting Walsh couldn't or did t develop Montana.

I'm saying that's the only QB he developed in. The pros.

You are arguing that Reid didn't develop any.

The question isn't whether Reid did or not he's got a pretty good track record and league wide is known as a QB whisperer.

The question is. Is the work Reid has  done with multiple qbs outweigh the work Walsh did with one who happens to be the goat?

If we can't agree that Reid at least has developed a QB then there's not really much to discuss no???

 

9 minutes ago, RLC said:

There's no reason not to carry Jackson. We were going to carry him anyway.

Also: Trade Zach Ertz.

IF he was actually going to make the team, they should keep him past final cuts and IR him asap. Then use that spot to re-sign a guy they know will pass through waivers. 

If they do it like last year, theyll want Jackson, but cut him and hope he passes through waivers. And lose him. 

 

1 hour ago, WentzFan11 said:

All this talk of offensive genius and people are forgetting the obvious answer. 
 

Chip Kelly. 

Chip was good when they used those boards to give the play calls

As soon as they stopped they sucked

Coincidence I think not!

/s

5 minutes ago, Utebird said:

We're talking about developing qbs.

You have yet to show me development.  1 year McNabb had a higher completion percentage than he did in two of his years in college.

Vick's highest completion percentage was his first year with Reid, then it went down every year.

I think of development as a progressive improvement over a career.  6 AJ Feely starts, not sure how you see development.  7 Kevin Kolb starts, not sure how you see development.

The only QB's you can judge Reid and Walsh with are McNabb and Montana.

2 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

 

16 days from their last preseason game and there home opener. 

He can miss the first 2 weeks and we still can get the first rounder

Off topic!!!  This off season is the time to trade Bryce Harper.  Phils ain't good, farm system is terrible and Phils are a ways from contending.  Byrce having a great season.  Strike while he has value.

15 hours ago, eagle45 said:

For the sake of the blog and the franchise, I just want Hurts to definitively settle this debate this year.  Either be a stud franchise QB and make most eat heaps of crow, or show that you aren't an NFL qb.

I really don't want to see a gray area where the apologists say that he did a really nice job considering his inexperience and surrounding cast while the haters say that he didn't play well at all.

Best for us all if this ship veers hard in one direction.

That’s fair.  I think we all want to see that.  But we need to understand what we won’t see that hopefully the coaches do.  Does an almost stud finish, say 11-15 mean that is his ceiling?  Is the arrow pointing up, sideways or down?  Practices, classroom and little things we might not see may be visible to the coaches that indicate that.  All of us that developed other workers have an inkling about what I mean.  We also have to be cautious of A. J. Feeley syndrome (Fulgham’s five games may be an example of that). There was preseason magic with Feeley that extended when he substituted for Koy (remember him, sorry I couldn’t resist).  Fortunately, the Eagles knew what he was and Miami didn’t. So the coaches need to be vigilant in their evaluations, including vocalizing and pushing that clearly to Lurie and Howie.

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

You have yet to show me development.  1 year McNabb had a higher completion percentage than he did in two of his years in college.

Vick's highest completion percentage was his first year with Reid, then it went down every year.

I think of development as a progressive improvement over a career.  6 AJ Feely starts, not sure how you see development.  7 Kevin Kolb starts, not sure how you see development.

The only QB's you can judge Reid and Walsh with are McNabb and Montana.

I have shown you, not my fault if you choose to disregard or ignore or move the goal posts to fit your narrow narrative.

If you want to narrow it down to just McNabb and Montana I dont think any one will argue that Walsh was better at developing Montana than Reid was McNabb, though you have conceded that Reid actually developed a QB, so progress.😉

 

3 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

No man, you're right. A.R. doesnt develop any position. 

Then show me the QB development.  Show me statistically the progression Donovan McNabb made from college, through his pro career.

4 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

Off topic!!!  This off season is the time to trade Bryce Harper.  Phils ain't good, farm system is terrible and Phils are a ways from contending.  Byrce having a great season.  Strike while he has value.

Baseball is stupid.

5 minutes ago, Utebird said:

I have shown you, not my fault if you choose to disregard or ignore or move the goal posts to fit your narrow narrative.

No, you have not.  Not one QB you have mentioned had a progressive increase during their career.  

You have brought up Feely and Kolb, who had less than 10 starts with the Eagles, and the bombed when they left.

You have brought up Hasselback and Brunell, who were atrocious their first year with new teams, and took the leap the second year after Reid.

You brought Jeff Garcia winning a playoff game that he did jack squat in.

You brought up Vick, yes, he had his highest completion percentage his first year under Reid, but it decreased every year after that under Reid.  That is called regression, not development.

McNabb was the exact same passer as an Eagle that he was at Syracuse.

34 minutes ago, RLC said:

There's no reason not to carry Jackson. We were going to carry him anyway.

Also: Trade Zach Ertz.

Carry on

7 minutes ago, downundermike said:

No, you have not.  Not one QB you have mentioned had a progressive increase during their career.  

You have brought up Feely and Kolb, who had less than 10 starts with the Eagles, and the bombed when they left.

You have brought up Hasselback and Brunell, who were atrocious their first year with new teams, and took the leap the second year after Reid.

You brought Jeff Garcia winning a playoff game that he did jack squat in.

You brought up Vick, yes, he had his highest completion percentage his first year under Reid, but it decreased every year after that under Reid.  That is called regression, not development.

McNabb was the exact same passer as an Eagle that he was at Syracuse.

So McNabb doesn't count, Vick doesn't count feeley doesn't count I'll give you Garcia brunell and hasselbeck 

What about mahommes and Alex Smith do they not count.

So basically anyone who isn't joe Montana or didn't put up better pro stats than college stats or wasn't drafted by Reid or didn't regress in completion ever, which would also ironically exclude Montana, or had an all pro receiver or was a backup or didn't win a super bowl or...

Wow that's quite the list of qualifiers...😒

Haven’t watched this, but I agree. 

4 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

So, let me understand this..

You think Mcnabb throwing for 58% in college against UPS Drivers in the Big East is no progression throwing 59% in the NFL. 

Only 1 year as a pro did McNabb have a higher completion percentage than his freshman and senior years at Syracuse, and that took a hall of fame WR.

Alex Smith played  15 years in the NFL, care to guess where he had his best years?

Alex Smiths highest completion % year was in SF.  Yes, he had some great seasons under Reid, but did he develop him ?? He was just in a better system for his skillset.

Vick played 13 seasons, care to guess which coach he had the highest yards, Touchdowns with? 

Yes, Vick's first year with Reid was his best, but he regressed every year after that.  THAT IS NOT DEVELOPMENT.

But obviously AR doesnt know what he's doing. As he leaps up in the draft to take Mahomes, and then turns him into the Best QB in the league within 2 years.

 

Answers above.  I consider developing a QB as making him better every year over his career.  You have yet to show me that with any QB Andy Reid drafted.

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Haven’t watched this, but I agree. 

All this positive press about hurts is going to make the haters heads explode.

I hope the positive reports out if camp about reagor carry over to the season 

Hoping the rain doesn't impact the game tomorrow. 

2 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Answers above.  I consider developing a QB as making him better every year over his career.  You have yet to show me that with any QB Andy Reid drafted.

Montana is excluded from that then as he didn't progress " every" year as he had a few down years by his standards but still regression 

1 hour ago, justrelax said:

True.

I don't know, Andrews and Brooks were both dominant RGs, Brooks might be a tad bit more athletic, Andrews a bit more powerful.

Brooks is a good example of patience, mediocre in college, off the chart workout but still fell to the 4th round, gradually improved and Howie was smart enough to see a guy who had upside and snatched him up and let Stoutland work his magic. Mudd, Castillo and Stoutland - has any team had as good of a run of OL coaches?

Of course they let Bobbie Williams walk, one of the worst mistakes of the AR era.

Just now, jsdarkstar said:

Hoping the rain doesn't impact the game tomorrow. 

If it's like the storm we had 2 days ago it's gonna be a swamp on the field, hopefully if that's the case Siriani doesn't throw it 60 times...☹️

1 minute ago, Utebird said:

If it's like the storm we had 2 days ago it's gonna be a swamp on the field, hopefully if that's the case Siriani doesn't throw it 60 times...☹️

Yeah, and if there is lightening, the game could get called.