1 minute ago, austinfan said:

I don't know, Andrews and Brooks were both dominant RGs, Brooks might be a tad bit more athletic, Andrews a bit more powerful.

Brooks is a good example of patience, mediocre in college, off the chart workout but still fell to the 4th round, gradually improved and Howie was smart enough to see a guy who had upside and snatched him up and let Stoutland work his magic. Mudd, Castillo and Stoutland - has any team had as good of a run of OL coaches?

Of course they let Bobbie Williams walk, one of the worst mistakes of the AR era.

Meh Bobbie Williams was nothing special but I didn't like the release either 

The Texans letting brooks go now that was a mistake.

Coincidentally the Texans thought he was soft and not mentally tough🤔

9 minutes ago, Utebird said:

So McNabb doesn't count, Vick doesn't count feeley doesn't count

Show me the progression of McNabb as a passer under Andy Reid.  There is not one.

I already posted the Vick stats, here it is again, show me the progression under Reid.

He did not develop Vick, sure, his first year he completed 62.6% of his passes, then it went down every year.  59.8, then 58.1, 54.6.

I tend to think of development as a guy getting progressively better.

Vick 2010, 21 TD v 6 int

Vick 2011, 18 TD v 14 int

Vick 2012, 12 TD v 10 picks.

 

5 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said:

Hoping the rain doesn't impact the game tomorrow. 

I hope it does. It’s preseason, give them some experience in the elements when it doesn’t count 

Just now, downundermike said:

Show me the progression of McNabb as a passer under Andy Reid.  There is not one.

I already posted the Vick stats, here it is again, show me the progression under Reid.

 

 

No thanks, I think this discussion has hit a wall and has reached its natural conclusion.

Good day sir.

3 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said:

Yeah, and if there is lightening, the game could get called. 

That would suck, I mean I'm all for players not getting electrified but would be sad if game got cancelled☹️

3 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Meh Bobbie Williams was nothing special but I didn't like the release either 

The Texans letting brooks go now that was a mistake.

Coincidentally the Texans thought he was soft and not mentally tough🤔

Texans wanted to keep him, he just didn’t want to stay 

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

Texans wanted to keep him, he just didn’t want to stay 

Well then best choice he ever made, that franchise is a raging dumpster fire.

3 minutes ago, Utebird said:

No thanks, I think this discussion has hit a wall and has reached its natural conclusion.

Good day sir.

That is because you have not shown me any progression for any QB.  I have shown you regression.

Just now, downundermike said:

That is because you have not shown me any progression for any QB.  I have shown you regression.

Ok

It’s very possible to compare two great coaches without going the negative route. Reid is one of best at developing QBs. 

21 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Haven’t watched this, but I agree. 

Lol I liked the move he did making the DB spin

Hurts could have helped him out more on some of those throws

4 hours ago, TorontoEagle said:

C'mon IP, it was not "his dream" to make an NFL team at 34 years old as a TE. That's ridiculous. 

It was his dream to play in the NFL.  I don't begrudge someone the opportunity to chase their dream.    It's ridiculous to call him selfish for doing what any one of us would have killed for a chance to do, at any age.  

4 hours ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

No it was his dream to get drafted and play in the NFL.  Then it was his dream to play in MLB.  But he had another dream to be a 4th string Tight End on a crap team that will be coached by his former college coach, for about 2 years before he cuts bait and runs to the next opportunity.  

Sure hope he is out of dreams, so younger more deserving guys have a chance at theirs.  

Interesting choice of words... I wonder what they did to 'deserve' that opportunity.

4 hours ago, ManuManu said:

Blame the Jags, not Tebow. 

Yup.

The plot thickens.  FBI investigating Watson accusers for extortion.

 

1 hour ago, 315Eagles said:

Was watching the Pat Mcafee show yesterday and they had a Pats reporter on and he talked about how good Hurts looked even mentioning accuracy.

Im reserving judgment till the real games start but I thought that was interesting coming from the Patriots reporter.

They have been watching Cam Newton and Mac Jones but yeah that's a good sign.  

3 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

It’s very possible to compare two great coaches without going the negative route. Reid is one of best at developing QBs. 

Pretty ridiculous discussion anyway.  Joe Montana had his best career season the year after Walsh left, was an All-Pro for both of the next 2 seasons, and Walsh's offense was middle of the pack at best until Montana came along.  Steve Young was developed by Holmgren and Shanahan.

QB makes coach and vice versa in 99% of cases.  Really good system is made by (and makes) a great QB -- it goes hand-in-hand.

3 hours ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Now Bill Walsh only developed starting QB’s.  I’ve seen and heard it all.  

Ken Anderson, Joe Montana, Steve Young... if that's all he did, that's pretty darn impressive.  Crazy that that would be a negative.  

Incidentally, Steve Young was a 'backup' QB for a (relatively) long time in SF.

 

Not sure how anyone could argue against Walsh as the greatest QB guru in NFL history.  Two HoFers and a third guy that was an All Pro, Pro Bowl QB. 

Apologies if posted, did not see it in the last 6-7 pages

 

4 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Apologies if posted, did not see it in the last 6-7 pages

 

He seems like a decent PS prospect.  I wouldn’t be surprised if he makes it back in that capacity once healed.

18 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Lol I liked the move he did making the DB spin

Hurts could have helped him out more on some of those throws

Hater! Why do you hate Hurts and hate the Philadelphia Eagles, troll?

5 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Ken Anderson, Joe Montana, Steve Young... if that's all he did, that's pretty darn impressive.  Crazy that that would be a negative.  

Incidentally, Steve Young was a 'backup' QB for a (relatively) long time in SF.

 

Not sure how anyone could argue against Walsh as the greatest QB guru in NFL history.  Two HoFers and a third guy that was an All Pro, Pro Bowl QB. 

Walsh was only with Steve young for 2 years.

Walsh left after 88 Steve young got to SF in 87

So Walsh didn't have a lot to do with youngs development especially since he was a backup his first few years with SF.

Seifert and his staff get more credit for Montana imo.

If we're going to credit Walsh with Ken Anderson as he wasn't head coach or even OC of the Bengals then whoever the OC ir QB coach of Montana was should get just as much credit as Walsh did for Anderson 

I'm not saying Walsh isn't a great developer of qbs or not even the greatest.

I'm saying it's fair to debate whether or not Reid was just as good or better.

 

 

 

Kinda hope this guy becomes an Eagle at some point just to see the attempts at spelling his name

5 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Hater! Why do you hate Hurts and hate the Philadelphia Eagles, troll?

It's really like that in this facebook group I'm in. Any criticism and you hate Hurts and want Wentz back

21 minutes ago, downundermike said:

The plot thickens.  FBI investigating Watson accusers for extortion.

 

Oh wow look at that.  It clearly says the FBI is investigating one of the women and you take that and turn it into all of Watson's accusers plural.  Just like you did when you incidated all of the accusers when 2 agreed to a follow up appointment. 

 

6 minutes ago, Utebird said:

If we're going to credit Walsh with Ken Anderson as he wasn't head coach or even OC of the Bengals

But he was the QB coach from 71-75, and you know, he did develop the offense that Anderson played in, the offense that revolutionized the NFL.

Also, if you look at the Bengals coaching history, they did not have an official offensive coordinator until 1982.  I will assume that seeing as Bill Walsh developed an entirely new ground breaking offense, he would have been by default the offensive coordinator.

https://pro-football-history.com/franchise/2/cincinnati-bengals-coaches

6 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Kinda hope this guy becomes an Eagle at some point just to see the attempts at spelling his name

Larry Hallelujah?