3 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Out of curiosity what were the big rule changes in 1978???, that's a little before my time.

  It's before his time too

9 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Out of curiosity what were the big rule changes in 1978???, that's a little before my time.

Interesting.  It did not seem a little before your time when posting this.

1 hour ago, Utebird said:

If we're going to credit Walsh with Ken Anderson as he wasn't head coach or even OC of the Bengals

Here are the rule changes

Major rule changes[edit]

The league passed major rule changes to encourage offensive scoring.^[3] In 1977 – the last year of the so-called "Dead Ball Era" – teams scored an average of 17.2 points per game, the lowest total since 1942.^[4]

• To open up the passing game, defenders are permitted to make contact with receivers only to a point of five yards beyond the line of scrimmage. This applies only to the time before the ball is thrown, at which point any contact is pass interference. Previously, contact was allowed anywhere on the field. This is usually referred to as the "Mel Blount Rule"
• The offensive team may only make one forward pass during a play from scrimmage, but only if the ball does not cross the line and return behind the line prior to the pass.
• Double touching of a forward pass is legal, but batting a pass towards the opponent's end zone is illegal. Previously, a second offensive player could not legally catch a deflected pass unless a defensive player had touched it. This is usually referred to as the "Mel Renfro Rule". During a play in Super Bowl V, Baltimore Colts receiver Eddie Hinton tipped a pass intended for him. Renfro, the Cowboys defensive back, made a stab at the ball and it was ruled that he tipped it ever so slightly (which he denied) into the arms of Colts tight end John Mackey, who ran for a touchdown. Later, this rule was also the one in question during the Immaculate Reception in 1972. But despite these two incidents, the rule change did not occur until this season.
• The pass blocking rules were extended to permit extended arms and open hands.
• The penalty for intentional grounding is reduced from a loss of down and 15 yards to a loss of down and 10 yards from the previous spot (or at the spot of the foul if the spot is 10 yards or more behind the line of scrimmage). If the passer commits the foul in his own end zone, the defense scores a safety.
• A five-yard penalty and ten-second runoff is to be applied if a team intentionally commits a penalty or foul to stop the clock.
• Hurdling is no longer a foul.
• A seventh official, the Side Judge, is added to the officiating crew to help rule on legalities downfield and serve as a second umpire on field goals and extra points.^[3] The addition of fifteen officials (one per crew) forced three-digit numbers to be used for the first time. (The sixth official (line judge) was added thirteen years earlier.)
• All stadiums must have arrows by the numeric yard markers indicating the closer goal line.

16 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Just wanted to point out this is very different from the JR Reed award which is for a promising player that does something stupid to get injured off the field

To this day I stay away from fences near Tampa Bay.

14 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Interesting.  It did not seem a little before your time when posting this.

Here are the rule changes

Major rule changes[edit]

The league passed major rule changes to encourage offensive scoring.^[3] In 1977 – the last year of the so-called "Dead Ball Era" – teams scored an average of 17.2 points per game, the lowest total since 1942.^[4]

• To open up the passing game, defenders are permitted to make contact with receivers only to a point of five yards beyond the line of scrimmage. This applies only to the time before the ball is thrown, at which point any contact is pass interference. Previously, contact was allowed anywhere on the field. This is usually referred to as the "Mel Blount Rule"
• The offensive team may only make one forward pass during a play from scrimmage, but only if the ball does not cross the line and return behind the line prior to the pass.
• Double touching of a forward pass is legal, but batting a pass towards the opponent's end zone is illegal. Previously, a second offensive player could not legally catch a deflected pass unless a defensive player had touched it. This is usually referred to as the "Mel Renfro Rule". During a play in Super Bowl V, Baltimore Colts receiver Eddie Hinton tipped a pass intended for him. Renfro, the Cowboys defensive back, made a stab at the ball and it was ruled that he tipped it ever so slightly (which he denied) into the arms of Colts tight end John Mackey, who ran for a touchdown. Later, this rule was also the one in question during the Immaculate Reception in 1972. But despite these two incidents, the rule change did not occur until this season.
• The pass blocking rules were extended to permit extended arms and open hands.
• The penalty for intentional grounding is reduced from a loss of down and 15 yards to a loss of down and 10 yards from the previous spot (or at the spot of the foul if the spot is 10 yards or more behind the line of scrimmage). If the passer commits the foul in his own end zone, the defense scores a safety.
• A five-yard penalty and ten-second runoff is to be applied if a team intentionally commits a penalty or foul to stop the clock.
• Hurdling is no longer a foul.
• A seventh official, the Side Judge, is added to the officiating crew to help rule on legalities downfield and serve as a second umpire on field goals and extra points.^[3] The addition of fifteen officials (one per crew) forced three-digit numbers to be used for the first time. (The sixth official (line judge) was added thirteen years earlier.)
• All stadiums must have arrows by the numeric yard markers indicating the closer goal line.

So the  no contact after 5 yard rule, which hasn't always been strictly enforced but seems they are now.

Didn't know anything about the pass blocking rules, crazy to think that pass blockers didn't used to be able to block with open hands or extended arms???

Gives one more appreciation for old school OL

29 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Pro Bowls, hilarious.  There has been absolute clowns that have made the pro bowl.  Are we gonna use the NFL network top 100 as the next measuring stick ??

<sarcasm> nah, let's just use completion percentage it says it all. I mean it's certainly harder to complete a pass in college then it is in the nfl right? <sarcasm>

2 minutes ago, greend said:

<sarcasm> nah, let's just use completion percentage it says it all. I mean it's certainly harder to complete a pass in college then it is in the nfl right? <sarcasm>

McNabb's number, except the TO year and 2009 were always right about his average.  There was no real progression in any statistical category throughout his career.

25 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Rain is being very good for my crops.  Prolific year for peppers.  I did fajitas on Sunday with my veggies coming from the garden except onions. Poblanos, jalapeños, serranos, bells, Hatchs, Anaheims - all doing well. Habaneros and cayennes flowering now.  Bumper zucchini crop and my tomatoes are thriving. Looks like I am about a week away for my first tomatillos. Salsa verde real soon. Should have NM red and green sauces too.  And who knew that paprikas grow so well.  Home grown and smoked paprika probably in September. The jalapeño I dedicated to ripening on the plant for drying and smoking is well on the way to giving me chipotles.   Going to ancho some of the poblanos too. The rain this week after all the heat has been very good.  Now stopping tomorrow so I can mow and watch a decent PS game testing more players works for me.  Just let it keep raining today.

We have a bunch of tomatillo I've never grown them before, there are a bunch of pods but not much in them yet save a few, hopefully they come in cuz I wanna try my hand at some Verde.

 

Just now, downundermike said:

McNabb's number, except the TO year and 2009 were always right about his average.  There was no real progression in any statistical category throughout his career.

Yes, which brings us to another known problem, you have to surround your quarterback with good players. I'll end my part of this discussion with you with this. Reid is known around the league as being a developer of quarterbacks. I'll trust their judgement over yours.

32 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Anderson led the league in more single season statistical categories in the 70's under Walsh than he did in the 80's.

I think Walsh v Reid as GOATs at either HC or QB development shows a distinct lack of knowledge of the overall history and development of football overall.  

That said, Kenny Anderson was the absolute best at play action of any QB I ever saw, but that was all Kenny Anderson.  All illustrated in his The Art of Quarterbacking.  Not to be outdone, Montana later illustrated The Art and Magic of Quarterbacking.   See the difference there?  Kenny was an artist but Montana was an artistic magician.  Well, at play action, Kenny was the better of the magician of the two.

6 minutes ago, greend said:

Yes, which brings us to another known problem, you have to surround your quarterback with good players. I'll end my part of this discussion with you with this. Reid is known around the league as being a developer of quarterbacks. I'll trust their judgement over yours.

And I will leave you with, the QB's drafted under Reid with the Eagles, 3 of them did not develop at all.

Just now, downundermike said:

And I will leave you with, the QB's drafted under Reid with the Eagles, 3 of them did not develop at all.

K

3 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Yes.....I agree with that.  But where this all started was with Bacarty calling him the "Goat" so much so that he was above Walsh.   That's been my entire involvement in the discussion.    That and defending my love for #5.  And gifs.....don't forget gifs.  

Yeah, he's not the goat.

I think Reid and Walsh were both ahead of their time with Walsh being way, WAY ahead of his time. 

54 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Walsh developed a great offense.  He was a great architect -- not a great QB guru.  Montana, Young, and Ken Anderson were all just as good or better without him as with him.  Walsh-Montana as a great combo I can buy.  Walsh making Young or Anderson?  That's a big reach.  Anderson was a better QB during the 80s late in his career than he was in the 70s, and Walsh was loooong gone by then.

Walsh will be remembered as one of the greatest offensive minds in football history, particularly when it came to tutoring quarterbacks. He coached three Hall of Famers, Dan Fouts, Joe Montana and Steve Young as well as former Cincinnati All Pro Ken Anderson.

"Walsh made me," Anderson said.

"Bill Walsh made all the difference in the world," said Fouts, 

"Bill was blessed with one of the greatest gifts you can have, which is the ability to see the future potential of another human being. It just so happened that football was his expertise," Hall of Fame quarterback Steve Young said in a recent interview. "He saw in me much more than I ever saw in myself, well before I ever had a chance to understand it. That is the ultimate compliment to the word 'coach.' There's nothing more a coach should be than to see the full potential of a player unfolded. I am eternally grateful to Bill Walsh."

"I learned more in two years from Bill about being a quarterback than I did in the rest of my 10 years in the NFL," said [Steve} Dils, who now works in Atlanta for Grubb & Ellis, a commercial real estate advisory firm. "He taught me so much about the game."

"Dan Fouts – when we spoke about Bill Walsh, he shook his head as if it was yesterday because he loved having Bill Walsh as his offensive coordinator. (He) absolutely loved him. He says, 'You know, I was in danger of being traded or even released until Walsh came into my life.' And I'm listening to him and I'm like, 'Whoa, I mean, I just don't know this kind of stuff.' And he kind of details what Bill Walsh did for him: worked on his footwork, really took apart the mechanics of his game and put them back together again, and really put Dan Fouts on the trajectory that he became a Hall of Famer on, and I did not know that."

8 minutes ago, justrelax said:

Walsh will be remembered as one of the greatest offensive minds in football history, particularly when it came to tutoring quarterbacks. He coached three Hall of Famers, Dan Fouts, Joe Montana and Steve Young as well as former Cincinnati All Pro Ken Anderson.

"Walsh made me," Anderson said.

"Bill Walsh made all the difference in the world," said Fouts, 

"Bill was blessed with one of the greatest gifts you can have, which is the ability to see the future potential of another human being. It just so happened that football was his expertise," Hall of Fame quarterback Steve Young said in a recent interview. "He saw in me much more than I ever saw in myself, well before I ever had a chance to understand it. That is the ultimate compliment to the word 'coach.' There's nothing more a coach should be than to see the full potential of a player unfolded. I am eternally grateful to Bill Walsh."

"I learned more in two years from Bill about being a quarterback than I did in the rest of my 10 years in the NFL," said [Steve} Dils, who now works in Atlanta for Grubb & Ellis, a commercial real estate advisory firm. "He taught me so much about the game."

Did these quotes happen to be before Walsh's death .... or afterward?  Just asking an honest question.  

41 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Great post. 

Give me dinner idea for me and lil' man

Overcompensation makes sense suddenly.

1 hour ago, Freshmilk said:

Foles won a Super Bowl

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just stirring your pot...I'm exhausted by my job.  Vacation starts tomorrow at 5pm.

Here is a joke from an 80 year old man told to me today:

Why do Scottish men wear kilts?

No zipper to alert the sheep

I'm tempted to tell this joke to some Scottish relatives lol

51 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

In a battle of truthfulness, I believe Rusty over Buzbee based on personal experience. 

I wonder if Buzbee's demand letters prior to suit were so over the top Hardin sent them to the FBI.  I'm not saying that I don't trust.  He's not disinterested in the proceedings.  Also, it's too early to tell how any of this will turn out for Watson.  

So, what's next?  Which Defensive Coordinator was the GOAT at developing Defensive Ends?  See you guys in 12 pages.

1 minute ago, Khani1 said:

So, what's next?  Which Defensive Coordinator was the GOAT at developing Defensive Ends?  See you guys in 12 pages.

Wade Phillips

5 minutes ago, Khani1 said:

So, what's next?  Which Defensive Coordinator was the GOAT at developing Defensive Ends?  See you guys in 12 pages.

which eagles DC was best at developing LBs?

9 minutes ago, Khani1 said:

So, what's next?  Which Defensive Coordinator was the GOAT at developing Defensive Ends?  See you guys in 12 pages.

Obviously Juan Castillo.  Exhibit A, Jason Babin 18 sacks.

3 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

which eagles DC was best at developing LBs?

You will have to provide more info.  I don't know what those are.

1 minute ago, RememberTheKoy said:

wow drippy swag. elite.

Juan City, Jaun Dream

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

You will have to provide more info.  I don't know what those are.

Pounds, you fatty 

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

wow drippy swag. elite.

Looks like he just smelled a ripe fart. Herbig probably crop dusted him