4 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

which eagles DC was best at developing LBs?

Bud carson

10 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Bud carson

I was gonna ask who the LB coach was when Seth Joyner, William Thomas, and Byron Evans were drafted.  Buddy drafted those guys so was it really him and maybe Jeff Fisher? Bud Carson was the DC under Kotite so not sure how much developing of those guys he was responsible for. 

1 hour ago, HazletonEagle said:

The promising player that gets injured should be a different category.  

That's the Joe Ostman award. But Ostman is still here so it doesn't feel right to name an award after him yet.  In the interim, it may be the Cornelius Ingram award, or the JaCory Shepherd award.

I feel like Ostman justifiably won the Nasty Nate in 2019.  I think he embodies that award very well.  He could not get the award at the time due to injury, but should have it retroactively after being released out of camp in 2020.

The JaCory Shepherd award is definitely an award worth having, but I might give it different criteria than you did.  That's the award to the generic prospect with an injury who "would have been drafted in the first round" if not for said injury.   This one doesn't even require failure.  Hand it out on draft day.  2021 Dickerson.  Bryan Smith, DE reach who was "malnourished in college" due to some tornado that rolled through his college or something.  

29 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I don't trust any lawyer.  Regardless of side.  

I agree

50 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Did these quotes happen to be before Walsh's death .... or afterward?  Just asking an honest question.  

Some One before. Some The rest after.

2 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I agree

Rusty Hardin will end up with even more of Watson's money than those women

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Captain Kangaroo Wade Phillips

 

 

Fisher was more of a secondary guy.

 

 

 

Oh damn, that's right. I sure miss those days when we had fierce LB play. 

1 hour ago, BigEFly said:

I think Walsh v Reid as GOATs at either HC or QB development shows a distinct lack of knowledge of the overall history and development of football overall.  

That said, Kenny Anderson was the absolute best at play action of any QB I ever saw, but that was all Kenny Anderson.  All illustrated in his The Art of Quarterbacking.  Not to be outdone, Montana later illustrated The Art and Magic of Quarterbacking.   See the difference there?  Kenny was an artist but Montana was an artistic magician.  Well, at play action, Kenny was the better of the magician of the two.

I have a friend who's a Bengals fan who goes back almost as long as me. Of course he remembers Kenny Anderson well. I recall him recently saying that the best quarterback he ever saw at play faking was Boomer Esiason. 

Bud Grant 

Buddy Ryan 

8 minutes ago, vsptroops said:

I was gonna ask who the LB coach was when Seth Joyner, William Thomas, and Byron Evans were drafted.  Buddy drafted those guys so was it really him and maybe Jeff Fisher? Bud Carson was the DC under Kotite so not sure how much developing of those guys he was responsible for. 

Yup. I would have said buddy but he was head coach.

Bud Carson though was the DC of the best ever eagles defense, he took buddy's players and elevated their play, incorporating some of his 34 pass rush principles Into that 43-46 defense.

I'm not sure I give fisher that much credit, though he was definitely a far better Defensive coach than he was a developer of qbs...😄

8 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Rusty Hardin will end up with even more of Watson's money than those women

If he's doing a good job.  

Let's talk WR for just a second.  Rank according to a few things...just the way I see it.

Upside:

1. Smith 2t. Reagor/Watkins 4t. Fulgham/Hightower 6. Ward 7. JJAW

Stand in the right place reliability/safety net for coaches:

1. Ward  2. Smith  3. Watkins 4. Reagor 5. Fulgham 6. Hightower 7. JJAW

Best right now:

1. Smith 2t. Reagor/Watkins 4. Ward 5. Fulgham 6. Hightower 7. JJAW

 

Now here's the complicating factor, to be devil's advocate: Smith/Reagor/Watkins/Hightower/Ward....I could be wrong, but I don't think any of them are going to be running down the field on kickoff or punt coverage making plays.  All are either starting or tiny and frail.  Fulgham and JJAW might be able to handle that, which could potentially help them to cling to the roster.

1 minute ago, Original Sin said:

Bud Grant 

Buddy Ryan 

Those two definitely had an eye for defensive talent and how to implement that talent into their defenses 

 

13 minutes ago, vsptroops said:

I was gonna ask who the LB coach was when Seth Joyner, William Thomas, and Byron Evans were drafted.  Buddy drafted those guys so was it really him and maybe Jeff Fisher? Bud Carson was the DC under Kotite so not sure how much developing of those guys he was responsible for. 

I thought William Thomas was drafted after Buddy left.

Just now, justrelax said:

I thought William Thomas was drafted after Buddy left.

Yup Willie T was drafted by kotite.

16 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I wonder if Buzbee's demand letters prior to suit were so over the top Hardin sent them to the FBI.  I'm not saying that I don't trust.  He's not disinterested in the proceedings.  Also, it's too early to tell how any of this will turn out for Watson.  

Rusty is very good at presenting his version of events but I have never heard him to be untrustworthy.  My experience with Buzbee isn’t the same.  Full disclosure, Rusty never worked a case for me.  But Buzbee, who is known to manipulate the media has met his match in Rusty.  

Now extortion is difficult to prosecute and the FBI, just like HPD won’t comment on an ongoing investigation.  Buzbee clients go to HPD with complaints that will be difficult to prosecute, Watson’s side responds with reporting extortion to the FBI.  You and I both know that some demands get precariously close to extortion.  If I had a dollar for every time an attorney threatened a defendant with the possibility of punitive damages in a state where such damages were unlikely covered by insurance so as to undermine the relationship between client and insurer to try and force a higher settlement, only to turn around at the time of settlement and insist that the release show no compensation for punitive damages, so the client can avoid income tax on such damages, I would be a rich man.  You may call that good lawyering.  I call it extortion and tax fraud.  But it will never be prosecuted just as I sincerely doubt we ever see any prosecution arise out of this matter.  

Do I think there will be a settlement? Yes. A set amount is a good outcome versus the uncertainty of a jury.  An owed settlement?  Maybe but equally as unlikely. Do I think there are some bus jumpers? Yes, I do based on experience parties have had with the firm involved. (Philly had a problem with their transit buses where there would be an accident involving a bus and people would jump onto the bus so they could make false injury claims.  Philly installed cameras on the buses and instructed the drivers to lock the doors until authorities arrived and could document who was actually on the bus.).

When all is said and done, Roger will impose a Big Ben like suspension and NFL teams interested in Watson will hope  he matures and doesn’t repeat the behavior that brought this on in the first place. (Soliciting massage therapists like they were prostitutes at a "massage parlor ".). 

42 minutes ago, Khani1 said:

So, what's next?  Which Defensive Coordinator was the GOAT at developing Defensive Ends?  See you guys in 12 pages.

I would love for someone to answer who was the best at developing punters. Underrated and under appreciated position 

13 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I would love for someone to answer who was the best at developing punters. Underrated and under appreciated position 

That is definitely a good question.

Seems a fair amount of auusie rules guys are coming over and being punters or kickers, somebody had to teach those guys how to kick an NFL football, and there's been some good Aussie kickers in recent memory.

Same goes for all the Latino kickers and punters throughout the years, kicking a football is alot different than kicking a soccer ball.

Wonder if their is a punt guru known around league circles?

12 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Yup Willie T was drafted by kotite.

Gotta give Kotite props on that one. Helluva pick. 

43 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

wow drippy swag. elite.

Elite on the field and elite with the look. Double elite. 

8 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I would love for someone to answer who was the best at developing punters. Underrated and under appreciated position 

It is obviously Al Roberts

 

 

Just now, RememberTheKoy said:

 

I’m optimistic about Hurts but let’s pump the brakes there a bit Quincy

8 minutes ago, vsptroops said:

Gotta give Kotite props on that one. Helluva pick. 

Yup picked Andy Harmon that year  as well.

Willie T and Andy Harmon were his best picks the others not so much.

 

4 minutes ago, Dwide Schrude said:

I’m optimistic about Hurts but let’s pump the brakes there a bit Quincy

It's Hurts trainer/offseason videographer. He literally was paid to say this.