11 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I’m not a huge baseball fan but is Shohei Ohtani the best player in the MLB ever, from a season to season standpoint? 

I don't know what this means.

 

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Yes. He hit #40 tonight and almost pulled off a CG with 8 strikeouts and no walks 

I'll still go with the Bambino.  Longevity and a giant gulf between him and his contemporaries.

3 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I don't know what this means.

 

He obviously doesn’t have the longevity some of the greats do so looking at it from a single season perspective 

39 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

I don't think it really matters who is out there at SAM since, based on what we saw with the Steelers, the scheme in the preseason will be so vanilla that we won't be able to learn much about what the players at that position can actually do besides drop into coverage.

And with Kerrigan on the roster, I doubt we see much of Avery, Ostman or Johnson even if they make the team.

So you don’t want to see more on how well Avery, Ostman and Johnson can drop in coverage?  Don’t understand how you view PS games, but okay, that’s your opinion not mine.  

9 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

So you don’t want to see more on how well Avery, Ostman and Johnson can drop in coverage?  Don’t understand how you view PS games, but okay, that’s your opinion not mine.  

Yea we need a few more years of seeing Avery and Ostman.  Too early to pass judgement.

7 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

So you don’t want to see more on how well Avery, Ostman and Johnson can drop in coverage?  Don’t understand how you view PS games, but okay, that’s your opinion not mine.  

Ostman and Johnson played a combined 83 percent of the snaps against the Steelers. I don't think playing them more will answer any questions about good or bad they can play. But we could glean more information if they were asked to do different things when they were out there - rush the passer, play man coverage, etc. But the team doesn't seem inclined to do that, so no, I don't think playing them more will give me additional information. 

55 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I’m not a huge baseball fan but is Shohei Ohtani the best player in the MLB ever, from a season to season standpoint? 

He’s on my fantasy team and yet I’m not in first place. So no lol 

9 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Yea we need a few more years of seeing Avery and Ostman.  Too early to pass judgement.

Honestly, I can't remember how many times I've seen either one of them on the field in an actual game.

9 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Honestly, I can't remember how many times I've seen either one of them on the field in an actual game.

All I remember is Ostman getting completely run over by Chubb 

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I’m not a huge baseball fan but is Shohei Ohtani the best player in the MLB ever, from a season to season standpoint? 

This is his first season as a breakout player; good player but not a standout at all in his first 2 years.

He’s been very good on the mound and excellent at the plate this season — that in itself is completely unique since Ruth.  Still, he might get 10 wins as a pitcher this season?  Dominant pitchers used to win 25+ games in a season and pitch close to 300 innings and/or strikeout 300+ batters.  Ohtani is nowhere close to that as a pitcher.

It’s fair to say he’s a bonafide phenom at this point, but not a great.

32 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Yea we need a few more years of seeing Avery and Ostman.  Too early to pass judgement.

Years?  Hell I just want to see if they can drop in coverage. Encouraging suggestions on Johnson and looked good in space from what little my bleeding eyes could see from reviewing the second half last week 

9 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

This is his first season as a breakout player; good player but not a standout at all in his first 2 years.

He’s been very good on the mound and excellent at the plate this season — that in itself is completely unique since Ruth.  Still, he might get 10 wins as a pitcher this season?  Dominant pitchers used to win 25+ games in a season and pitch close to 300 innings and/or strikeout 300+ batters.  Ohtani is nowhere close to that as a pitcher.

It’s fair to say he’s a bonafide phenom at this point, but not a great.

I think you need at least 3-4 consistent years of being great before you can be called, you know, great.

6 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

I think you need at least 3-4 consistent years of being great before you can be called, you know, great.

This is a great observation 

Just some thoughts about Ohtani…

Not to take anything away from his absurd talent and 2-way accomplishments, but his pure talent isn’t quite as unprecedented since Ruth as many would lead you to believe.  There a quite a few supreme baseball talents, over the years, from both the US and DR blessed with the ability to throw near 100mph fastballs and to crush HRs over deep centerfield fences.  

Once the American phenoms enter the draft at 18 and the DR phenoms are discovered around 15, they enter a system that provides defined, regimented pathways to the bigs.

Ohtani had the unique situation of completing his entire development in a Japanese league that was both very competitive, but also less established and less entrenched in the rigid developmental pathways of MLB franchises.  They allowed him to see through both skill sets through his formative years well into his 20s.

If he were born in Texas or DR, demonstrated a 100mph fastball with the ability to locate, and had a swing with elite power…he probably would not have picked up a bat after he linked up with a team as a teenager.  

44 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

This is a great observation 

Took me awhile to word it properly....

Just read that Quez Watkins has clocked the fastest speed in the NFL so far this camp/pre-season at 21.56 MPH.  Nice!

Keep on putting your work in Quez!  Show the world what (many of us) saw in you previous to being drafted!  

56 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Just some thoughts about Ohtani…

Not to take anything away from his absurd talent and 2-way accomplishments, but his pure talent isn’t quite as unprecedented since Ruth as many would lead you to believe.  There a quite a few supreme baseball talents, over the years, from both the US and DR blessed with the ability to throw near 100mph fastballs and to crush HRs over deep centerfield fences.  

Once the American phenoms enter the draft at 18 and the DR phenoms are discovered around 15, they enter a system that provides defined, regimented pathways to the bigs.

Ohtani had the unique situation of completing his entire development in a Japanese league that was both very competitive, but also less established and less entrenched in the rigid developmental pathways of MLB franchises.  They allowed him to see through both skill sets through his formative years well into his 20s.

If he were born in Texas or DR, demonstrated a 100mph fastball with the ability to locate, and had a swing with elite power…he probably would not have picked up a bat after he linked up with a team as a teenager.  

If someone else in the league could, they would be doing so. 

4 hours ago, BigEFly said:

For the love of the football gods.  The last time the Eagles drafted on strictly a need basis, we got Danny Watkins, fireman supreme.  BPA!  BPA factors in need but also avoids over drafting for need. Learn from past sins. 

For the love of the football gods I never said draft for need, just saying I hope those are the three areas Eagles put most importance on & the value meets at each draft slot. 

2 hours ago, Ace Nova said:

Just read that Quez Watkins has clocked the fastest speed in the NFL so far this camp/pre-season at 21.56 MPH.  Nice!

Keep on putting your work in Quez!  Show the world what (many of us) saw in you previous to being drafted!  

A good 1 mile slower than Desean Jackson's top speed in the NFL, Nice, hopefully he gets quicker.

6 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

All I remember is Ostman getting completely run over by Chubb 

We need more of that!  Let's go!

5 hours ago, Ace Nova said:

Just read that Quez Watkins has clocked the fastest speed in the NFL so far this camp/pre-season at 21.56 MPH.  Nice!

Keep on putting your work in Quez!  Show the world what (many of us) saw in you previous to being drafted!  

Let Davion Taylor know... he's got work to do!

5 hours ago, WentzFan11 said:

If someone else in the league could, they would be doing so. 

You missed his point.  His point is that once someone shows elite potential as a pitcher, they are quickly relegated to pitching almost exclusively and not allowed to continue to work on those other skills.

I can confirm.  At the lowest levels, the best athletes are pitchers and catchers.  But they can only pitch so much, so they play the other positions when not pitching.  As they rise the ladder, they continue to pitch, but teams are so worried about their golden arms that they do little else... and those hitting skills usually atrophy.  That is why you don't see more pitchers that can hit.  

7 hours ago, Dwide Schrude said:

For the love of the football gods I never said draft for need, just saying I hope those are the three areas Eagles put most importance on & the value meets at each draft slot. 

Yup.  Drafting is a hybrid approach and roster construction plays into it.  The Eagles have quite a few guys on offense who are younger with high draft slot — Hurts, Sanders, Reagor, Smith, Dillard, JJAW and very few if anyone on defense.

Wouldn’t surprise me at all to see 4 of the first 5 picks next April spent on the defensive side of the ball, with one OL (or QB) mixed in.

Just now, Alphagrand said:

Yup.  Drafting is a hybrid approach and roster construction plays into it.  The Eagles have quite a few guys on offense who are younger with high draft slot — Hurts, Sanders, Reagor, Smith, Dillard, JJAW and very few if anyone on defense.

Wouldn’t surprise me at all to see 4 of the first 5 picks next April spent on the defensive side of the ball, with one OL (or QB) mixed in.

If the young guns on offense look the part this season we are going to be in great shape by time the draft rolls around.

Easier said than done, of course.

8 hours ago, eagle45 said:

Just some thoughts about Ohtani…

Not to take anything away from his absurd talent and 2-way accomplishments, but his pure talent isn’t quite as unprecedented since Ruth as many would lead you to believe.  There a quite a few supreme baseball talents, over the years, from both the US and DR blessed with the ability to throw near 100mph fastballs and to crush HRs over deep centerfield fences.  

Once the American phenoms enter the draft at 18 and the DR phenoms are discovered around 15, they enter a system that provides defined, regimented pathways to the bigs.

Ohtani had the unique situation of completing his entire development in a Japanese league that was both very competitive, but also less established and less entrenched in the rigid developmental pathways of MLB franchises.  They allowed him to see through both skill sets through his formative years well into his 20s.

If he were born in Texas or DR, demonstrated a 100mph fastball with the ability to locate, and had a swing with elite power…he probably would not have picked up a bat after he linked up with a team as a teenager.  

If it was this simple, more people would do it. It's not like the pitchers don't bat in the national league either.