3 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

When you say "young guns" you mean Hurts, Smith and Reagor....right?  Because JJAw is a waste of space.  Dilliard is a bust.  And I wouldn't consider Miles a young gun at this point.  Heck, we might be looking for his replacement in the next year or two.  

Hurts, Smith, Reagor, Quez is who I'm mainly talking about. I guess Fulgham, too. He's only 25.

26 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Hurts, Smith, Reagor, Quez is who I'm mainly talking about. I guess Fulgham, too. He's only 25.

I forgot Dickerson as well.  Many 1st and 2nd round picks on offense; not many under 30 on defense other than Barnett.  The rest of them are 3rd and 4th round picks or later. 

11 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I’m not a huge baseball fan but is Shohei Ohtani the best player in the MLB ever, from a season to season standpoint? 

Its literally a disgrace that the MLB does nothing to promote players.  What he is doing is absolutely historic and no one sees it. I may have seen one Angels game on during watchable hours on the east coast.

11 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I'll still go with the Bambino.  Longevity and a giant gulf between him and his contemporaries.

That is true, however he never pitched AND hit all in the same season like Ohtani.  Its incredible

5 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

depending on where you look, Quez is 4 inches and 25lbs heavier then Djax. 

If you meant about two and a half inches and 15 pounds, you'd probably be right.

DJ at the combine was 5096 169

Quez was 6001 185

3 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

You missed his point.  His point is that once someone shows elite potential as a pitcher, they are quickly relegated to pitching almost exclusively and not allowed to continue to work on those other skills.

I can confirm.  At the lowest levels, the best athletes are pitchers and catchers.  But they can only pitch so much, so they play the other positions when not pitching.  As they rise the ladder, they continue to pitch, but teams are so worried about their golden arms that they do little else... and those hitting skills usually atrophy.  That is why you don't see more pitchers that can hit.  

I’m not missing his point. Could someone else out there exist that could be an elite hitter and pitcher? Sure, maybe. There could also be another Jordan, Gretzky, or Rice who never had the opportunity to play and develop their skills, but we don’t bring that up when discussing their accomplishments. There isn’t anyone right now as good as Ohtani at what he does and potentially no one as good as him in the history of the sport. So to say what he’s doing isn’t THAT special because there could be someone else is quite the take. 

9 hours ago, Ace Nova said:

Just read that Quez Watkins has clocked the fastest speed in the NFL so far this camp/pre-season at 21.56 MPH.  Nice!

Keep on putting your work in Quez!  Show the world what (many of us) saw in you previous to being drafted!  

My hope, like many, is that Smith, Reagor and Watkins emerge as a good WR group.  However I'm a little nervous about all the hype and attention Quez has been getting lately.  I didn't like Hurts saying that "he's not a secret anymore".  Just wish he would show in real games that he can be good before anyone talks about him as emerging.

16 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

That is true, however he never pitched AND hit all in the same season like Ohtani.  Its incredible

I could go along with that.  I will add, Ruth was a top pitcher in the AL when he was pitching.  Led the AL in ERA, starts and Shuts outs in one year (1916).  Led in Complete games another (1917).  Started the transition in Boston, 1918 he started a bunch of games as the pitcher AND as a position player.  Consider this... in 1918, he led the AL with homeruns... with 11.    The following year, 1919, he became almost exclusively a fielder/batter and hit 29!  When he went to the Yankees, they made him just a batter exclusively and he hit 56 and 59 in the first two years.

 

Ohtani is clearly a special talent, and what he is doing is unprecedented in the modern MLB.  This might be the most impressive single season by a MLB player.  It will be fun to see the rest of his career.  But, I still put Babe at the top, but Ohtani has a chance to push past him... just not yet.

 

 

35 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I forgot Dickerson as well.  Many 1st and 2nd round picks on offense; not many under 30 on defense other than Barnett.  The rest of them are 3rd and 4th round picks or later. 

Dickerson, Mailata (want to see some more strides this year, not regression) and guys like Driscoll and Herbig proving to be competent depth would be fantastic as well. 

6 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I could go along with that.  I will add, Ruth was a top pitcher in the AL when he was pitching.  Led the AL in ERA, starts and Shuts outs in one year (1916).  Led in Complete games another (1917).  Started the transition in Boston, 1918 he started a bunch of games as the pitcher AND as a position player.  Consider this... in 1918, he led the AL with homeruns... with 11.    The following year, 1919, he became almost exclusively a fielder/batter and hit 29!  When he went to the Yankees, they made him just a batter exclusively and he hit 56 and 59 in the first two years.

 

Ohtani is clearly a special talent, and what he is doing is unprecedented in the modern MLB.  This might be the most impressive single season by a MLB player.  It will be fun to see the rest of his career.  But, I still put Babe at the top, but Ohtani has a chance to push past him... just not yet.

 

 

But is what the Babe did really that special? I mean, he only played against white guys. There were potentially other people who couldn’t play in the league who could’ve done what he did much better if they had the opportunity. 

11 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

I’m not missing his point. Could someone else out there exist that could be an elite hitter and pitcher? Sure, maybe. There could also be another Jordan, Gretzky, or Rice who never had the opportunity to play and develop their skills, but we don’t bring that up when discussing their accomplishments. There isn’t anyone right now as good as Ohtani at what he does and potentially no one as good as him in the history of the sport. So to say what he’s doing isn’t THAT special because there could be someone else is quite the take. 

No, you did miss the point.   His point is that other players don't have the opportunity because of how baseball players are developed in the US.  He was criticizing baseball player development in the US, not diminishing Ohtani's talent.  

1 minute ago, WentzFan11 said:

But is what the Babe did really that special? I mean, he only played against white guys. There were potentially other people who couldn’t play in the league who could’ve done what he did much better if they had the opportunity. 

Yes, it was.  But, if you want to criticize MLB back then to say that they should have been inclusive... go ahead.  That's a fair criticism.

3 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

But is what the Babe did really that special? I mean, he only played against white guys. There were potentially other people who couldn’t play in the league who could’ve done what he did much better if they had the opportunity. 

Yes? Is this really a question?

4 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

No, you did miss the point.   His point is that other players don't have the opportunity because of how baseball players are developed in the US.  He was criticizing baseball player development in the US, not diminishing Ohtani's talent.  

He used it as a counterpoint to Ohtani’s success though. You could do that with any player in any sport and he would have a point. Either way, agree to disagree. 
 

Im just glad we get to see it. 

1 minute ago, TorontoEagle said:

Yes? Is this really a question?

Obvious sarcasm I guess you missed. The argument made against more players like Ohtani can be used for anyone. 

This just sounds all too familiar to Sidney Jones.  I really hope he pans out but I 100% have my reservations with him.  

7. A lot of people have been asking about what the Eagles have in mind for Landon Dickerson. I’m thinking the plan is to use this year as a physical recovery year. As long as Isaac Seumalo, Jason Kelce and Brandon Brooks stay healthy, there’s no need to rush Dickerson along. And Nate Herbig — who’s started to get center reps — is a solid guy who can capably back up any of the three inside spots. There’s no urgency to rush Dickerson back onto the field, and considering his long history of injuries, what he needs most right now is to just get his body right. Dickerson isn’t practicing yet, and there’s no word when he’ll start. The Eagles really have the luxury of bringing their vaunted second-round pick along slowly, letting him learn Jeff Stoutland’s technique and just doing a lot of healing. We all want to see him play, but in the interest of his long-term future, it’s best to wait. 

47 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Its literally a disgrace that the MLB does nothing to promote players.  What he is doing is absolutely historic and no one sees it. I may have seen one Angels game on during watchable hours on the east coast.

If his name was Joey, and his hair was light brown with a pale complexion, MLB would be promoting him as the (or one of) crown jewel of their game.  

1 minute ago, bpac55 said:

This just sounds all too familiar to Sidney Jones.  I really hope he pans out but I 100% have my reservations with him.  

7. A lot of people have been asking about what the Eagles have in mind for Landon Dickerson. I’m thinking the plan is to use this year as a physical recovery year. As long as Isaac Seumalo, Jason Kelce and Brandon Brooks stay healthy, there’s no need to rush Dickerson along. And Nate Herbig — who’s started to get center reps — is a solid guy who can capably back up any of the three inside spots. There’s no urgency to rush Dickerson back onto the field, and considering his long history of injuries, what he needs most right now is to just get his body right. Dickerson isn’t practicing yet, and there’s no word when he’ll start. The Eagles really have the luxury of bringing their vaunted second-round pick along slowly, letting him learn Jeff Stoutland’s technique and just doing a lot of healing. We all want to see him play, but in the interest of his long-term future, it’s best to wait. 

Howie said that he wasn’t going to be a redshirt. I don’t know where you got that snippet from, but it goes against what the GM has said. 

Just now, WentzFan11 said:

Howie said that he wasn’t going to be a redshirt. I don’t know where you got that snippet from, but it goes against what the GM has said. 

That was from Reuben Frank's 10 Observations, sorry I forgot to mention where it was from. 

1 minute ago, WentzFan11 said:

Howie said that he wasn’t going to be a redshirt. I don’t know where you got that snippet from, but it goes against what the GM has said. 

I believe he'll be practicing pretty early in the season.  If Kelce and Brooks stay healthy I would agree there's no big rush to get him on the field, but I think he's clearly the first IOL on the field after Herbig if injuries start piling up like last season.  

44 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

My hope, like many, is that Smith, Reagor and Watkins emerge as a good WR group.  However I'm a little nervous about all the hype and attention Quez has been getting lately.  I didn't like Hurts saying that "he's not a secret anymore".  Just wish he would show in real games that he can be good before anyone talks about him as emerging.

Don't have much longer to wait.  I am much less concerned about the WRs and wonder more about how consistently Hurts delivers them the ball.

22 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

He used it as a counterpoint to Ohtani’s success though. You could do that with any player in any sport and he would have a point. Either way, agree to disagree. 
 

Im just glad we get to see it. 

I'm going by his final part as the crux of his statement, as a criticism of US baseball.

"If he were born in Texas or DR, demonstrated a 100mph fastball with the ability to locate, and had a swing with elite power…he probably would not have picked up a bat after he linked up with a team as a teenager."

 

But, you are correct, it is awesome to see.   And what I am really hoping is that this will end the DH.  It's stupid, and the idea that a pitcher can't hit is foolish and the result of the fact that they don't let pitchers hit past a certain level. 

20 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

This just sounds all too familiar to Sidney Jones.  I really hope he pans out but I 100% have my reservations with him.  

7. A lot of people have been asking about what the Eagles have in mind for Landon Dickerson. I’m thinking the plan is to use this year as a physical recovery year. As long as Isaac Seumalo, Jason Kelce and Brandon Brooks stay healthy, there’s no need to rush Dickerson along. And Nate Herbig — who’s started to get center reps — is a solid guy who can capably back up any of the three inside spots. There’s no urgency to rush Dickerson back onto the field, and considering his long history of injuries, what he needs most right now is to just get his body right. Dickerson isn’t practicing yet, and there’s no word when he’ll start. The Eagles really have the luxury of bringing their vaunted second-round pick along slowly, letting him learn Jeff Stoutland’s technique and just doing a lot of healing. We all want to see him play, but in the interest of his long-term future, it’s best to wait. 

I’m not S___ing on Dickerson or the Eagles. But man, I’m so tired of give the guy extra rest, load management, off day garbage. You only get so long to play.
If he’s healthy later in the year let him play.

Rest in the off-season. 

8 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I'm going by his final part as the crux of his statement, as a criticism of US baseball.

"If he were born in Texas or DR, demonstrated a 100mph fastball with the ability to locate, and had a swing with elite power…he probably would not have picked up a bat after he linked up with a team as a teenager."

 

But, you are correct, it is awesome to see.

I’ll give the Angels credit for letting him do both. Most teams make him pick one or the other.

24 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

If his name was Joey, and his hair was light brown with a pale complexion, MLB would be promoting him as the (or one of) crown jewel of their game.  

I dont know, man.

The Angels have a guy named Mike who's pretty good.  Never hear a thing about him

They try to promote players like Acuna, Tatis, Guerrero Jr, etc....I think they just suck at it and dont understand how to do it

2 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

The 2nd part of your comment contradicts the first part.

What is it, he only has so many snaps so he shouldnt waste them in meaningless preseason

or do you not want the guy to get rest? 

He’s not healthy now. When he’s ready… whenever that is let him play. Even as a backup. Just sitting out the whole year for the sake of getting extra rest makes no sense to me.

13 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I'm going by his final part as the crux of his statement, as a criticism of US baseball.

"If he were born in Texas or DR, demonstrated a 100mph fastball with the ability to locate, and had a swing with elite power…he probably would not have picked up a bat after he linked up with a team as a teenager."

 

But, you are correct, it is awesome to see.   And what I am really hoping is that this will end the DH.  It's stupid, and the idea that a pitcher can't hit is foolish and the result of the fact that they don't let pitchers hit past a certain level. 

Universal DH is more likely than then getting rid of it.  Again, MLB is clueless 

I agree, I hate the DH