What’s the over/under on number of posts that defend Hurts and the offense for the first 4 games by saying "this is their preseason”?

 

6 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Why does this just sound so weird? When has a guy ever shown up and warmed up feeling well enough to dance, get sent to a hospital, get discharged and went back to the stadium, just to end up going home in a span of like 3 hours? 

I’m telling you those Chipotle shids sneak up quick 

Have to love that "Squirts for Hurts" is a real thing now.  LOL!

4 hours ago, jwill2420 said:

Tell ya one thing the Eagles are about as deep as a puddle. 

… And it’s not a PA highway pothole puddle 

Are the Eagles the most dramatic team in the NFL?  It seems there is ALWAYS SOMETHING.  Do all teams go through things like this and we just don't know because we are so tied in with the Eagles?  

4 hours ago, jwill2420 said:

Tell ya one thing the Eagles are about as deep as a puddle. We have no one capable of being a solid starter anywhere if we start losing guys. I’ve never seen a team be weak in depth at every position. Maybe TE is fine but everything else is horrible

Direct reflection of years of poor drafting.

51 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

No. Citing how they supposedly looked against the "nfl.com preseason ranked #7 defense” in a practice was a dumb thing to say.  One of the dumbest in the past few weeks tbh.  

Okay. I can see how pointing out that the opposition isn't a bunch of scrubs is dumb and irrelevant  and clearly shouldn't have any influence on a positive take. 

You're just going to keep doubling down that I'm "wrong," no matter what I actually said. 

It's preseason, last pre-season Mailata looked so bad that when Dillard went down, they moved Peters to LT. Three months later . . .

Sirianni mailed it in, which shows he puts the team over PR, he wasn't going to show anything in a game where his QB was out, he had already had two good "games" (scrimmages are more intense b/c they can run two "games" simultaneously on different fields and not wast time with TV timeouts, etc. - and b/c no one is filming it, both teams can show stuff they wouldn't use in an exhibition game).

Next week will be a little different, even with two scrimmages against the Jets, I think most teams will use the 3rd game as the "warm up" game, by now with 4 scrimmages he'll have enough film to make cuts, starters the first half, top reserves the second half, scrubs get splinters.

The backup OL looked like, well, backup OL. We saw last year what happens when you start Toth and Pryor at OT.

Hard to judge the defense, I was watching Matt Jones get more time to throw than he did at Alabama, hard to cover for 6 seconds. The backup DL aren't very good outside of Williams, who really isn't suited to pass rush from LDE, short arms limit his moves there - bull rush will only take you so far. The other DL, well, we're talking DL #9 to #14 or so, in other words, players likely to have new addresses in two weeks. I think Gannon wanted to see if any were worth keeping.

Edwards gets underrated, yes, he's not a great athlete, but he has great instincts,

 

Also, I know this should change, or at least hope that it does, but another game where the positives from the WR were the route running (Smith).  Not catching, running and actually making dynamic plays...the route running.  

4 hours ago, jwill2420 said:

Tell ya one thing the Eagles are about as deep as a puddle. We have no one capable of being a solid starter anywhere if we start losing guys. I’ve never seen a team be weak in depth at every position. Maybe TE is fine but everything else is horrible

There's a big difference between having an entire 2nd team vs an entire 1st string. In yesterday's game, by the time it was 3rd string vs 3rd string, ours were tired from being outmatched. In a real life game, you're not going to substitute the entire offense or defense at once. It will be a player here and there for rest or injury. For example, in 2019, Pryor looked just fine filling in for Brooks at RG in a real game since he had competent starters around him. Then last year, he was a complete liability when there was no continuity around him. I'm not upset that we lost a preseason game last night. I'm upset because we didn't use the opportunity to get better that a preseason game presents. The players out there were at a disadvantage the entire game and nobody had a chance to grow. 

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

What’s the over/under on number of posts that defend Hurts and the offense for the first 4 games by saying "this is their preseason”?

Too many.  They cannot defend a poor start on that.  If the philosophy is that the inter-squad practices are so useful that they can 'punt' on the preseason opportunities, then there is no leeway for a slow start due to lack of familiarity.   If, on the other hand, they were taking full advantage of both the intersquad practice opportunities and the preseason games and still got off to a slow start, I'd give them an early season pass for a lack of familiarity with each other, the offensive system, each other, etc.  Because there is a lot to learn, a lot to put together.  But, they have chosen shorter, less physical practices; they have chosen to sit starters during preseason games; they have chosen to give load management days, including the 3rd day of TC; they have chosen to do OTAs remotely.  So, if they are not prepared on Day 1 at this point, it is not due to lack of opportunity and they just ran out of time, they instead have wasted the extra opportunities that were available.  That was a deliberate choice. 

 

So, when anyone says that nonsense, that's just excuse making, not a reason.  They chose this path.  Now they have to walk it, and deal with the consequences.

2 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

There's a big difference between having an entire 2nd team vs an entire 1st string. In yesterday's game, by the time it was 3rd string vs 3rd string, ours were tired from being outmatched. In a real life game, you're not going to substitute the entire offense or defense at once. It will be a player here and there for rest or injury. For example, in 2019, Pryor looked just fine filling in for Brooks at RG in a real game since he had competent starters around him. Then last year, he was a complete liability when there was no continuity around him. I'm not upset that we lost a preseason game last night. I'm upset because we didn't use the opportunity to get better that a preseason game presents. The players out there were at a disadvantage the entire game and nobody had a chance to grow. 

Not really, the 3rd team guys had a chance to "flash," Gainwell for example did so, as did Edwards.

Most don't because, well, they're not that good. In a vanilla game, raw talent matters more.

Playing the backup DL in the first half gives Gannon a read on who can bring it for more than a few plays off the bench (guys often fool coaches in spot duty, making plays off adrenaline, 30 snaps reveals who can actually sustain play).

Sure this team lacks depth, that's why they're rebuilding, and why they'll continue to add draft picks. I'm not going to freak out if Howie has to cut 6th and 7th rd picks.

 

Just now, austinfan said:

Not really, the 3rd team guys had a chance to "flash," Gainwell for example did so, as did Edwards.

Most don't because, well, they're not that good. In a vanilla game, raw talent matters more.

Playing the backup DL in the first half gives Gannon a read on who can bring it for more than a few plays off the bench (guys often fool coaches in spot duty, making plays off adrenaline, 30 snaps reveals who can actually sustain play).

Sure this team lacks depth, that's why they're rebuilding, and why they'll continue to add draft picks. I'm not going to freak out if Howie has to cut 6th and 7th rd picks.

Hmmm. Who is responsible for that?

I knew Herbig played a lot, but he ended up playing 100 percent of the snaps last night. 

 

The advantage of watching 5 decades of football is you don't get overly excited in either direction about preseason, especially exhibition games.

Preseason is primarily about three things, installation, evaluation, preparation. For a team like the Eagles, development is a much higher priority than say a team that is considered a preseason favorite.

Part of a  rebuild is about giving marginal young players a chance to get reps and figure out who has the potential to develop, and who is going to be churn. Rebuilding teams roll through a lot of players for a couple years, look for Howie to be signing a half dozen players at the end of August off the waiver wire, and rotating players off other teams' PS during the year. The back of the roster will be an extended tryout. For example, you're going to see some new DL by September.

The key is finding a half dozen players out of nowhere each year until you build the depth where these marginal players can't be kept around at the expense of players who can help you win now. And sometimes the guys who seem to have "it" regress, Fulgham has the talent, but he seems to lack the intangibles, how can you not shine on a WR corp where you're the most experienced veteran at 26?

 

 

8 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Hmmm. Who is responsible for that?

Doug most recently.  Before that Joe Douglas.

sorry if this was already posted. 

 

 

Didn't watch the game. From what I scrolled through on here I'm glad I didn't. 

4 minutes ago, greend said:

Didn't watch the game. From what I scrolled through on here I'm glad I didn't. 

You lucky ****!

5 minutes ago, greend said:

Didn't watch the game. From what I scrolled through on here I'm glad I didn't. 

Don't bother catching the replay.  Waste of 3 hours.  Can't be mad about it.   But, can hold the coaches responsible if (when?) the players aren't ready to go against Atlanta.   Will they have the stamina to finish the game as strong as they start with the shorter, less physical practices and no chances to play 'under the lights' in the actual game situation, as opposed to the 'simulated' game situations?   Will they come out of the gate slowly because they haven't gotten as much work together as they could have had?  Will they need to burn timeouts needlessly due to the communication of Sirianni to Steichen to Hurts in a game, especially with crowd noise?  

We'll find out the answers to these and other questions soon enough.

So was this Hurts about to throw up or trying to stop a bowel movement or did that already take place at this point? 

 

 

33 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Too many.  They cannot defend a poor start on that.  If the philosophy is that the inter-squad practices are so useful that they can 'punt' on the preseason opportunities, then there is no leeway for a slow start due to lack of familiarity.   If, on the other hand, they were taking full advantage of both the intersquad practice opportunities and the preseason games and still got off to a slow start, I'd give them an early season pass for a lack of familiarity with each other, the offensive system, each other, etc.  Because there is a lot to learn, a lot to put together.  But, they have chosen shorter, less physical practices; they have chosen to sit starters during preseason games; they have chosen to give load management days, including the 3rd day of TC; they have chosen to do OTAs remotely.  So, if they are not prepared on Day 1 at this point, it is not due to lack of opportunity and they just ran out of time, they instead have wasted the extra opportunities that were available.  That was a deliberate choice. 

 

So, when anyone says that nonsense, that's just excuse making, not a reason.  They chose this path.  Now they have to walk it, and deal with the consequences.

 

 

The people posting here didn't choose that path. 

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Don't bother catching the replay.  Waste of 3 hours.  Can't be mad about it.   But, can hold the coaches responsible if (when?) the players aren't ready to go against Atlanta.   Will they have the stamina to finish the game as strong as they start with the shorter, less physical practices and no chances to play 'under the lights' in the actual game situation, as opposed to the 'simulated' game situations?   Will they come out of the gate slowly because they haven't gotten as much work together as they could have had?  Will they need to burn timeouts needlessly due to the communication of Sirianni to Steichen to Hurts in a game, especially with crowd noise?  

We'll find out the answers to these and other questions soon enough.

Remember when the Eagles stood for being tough? 

Cant help but be disappointed by that beatdown, preseason or not.  I know its the 2nd string but good lord, can you at least offer some resistance?

Reagor is still spazzing out and playing too fast.

Smith looked good, had drops but the plays were dead bc of poor OL and QB play

It was a slopfest waste of time, undeserving of TV coverage