5 minutes ago, greend said:

Oops

No shirtless selfies...

18 minutes ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

I know it's preseason, but Zach Wilson looked spectacular for the Jets against the Packers. So poised.  Works through his reads.  I haven't seen him play much, but that was impressive.

I wasn't sure how he'd do coming out of that offense. Douglas may have gotten a good one.

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

No shirtless selfies...

Wentz watch for 5 more months.

Just now, greend said:

redacted...

not a selfie, so I suppose it is allowable.   

One could post that, but should first ask:  "Should one?"

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

not a selfie, so I suppose it is allowable.   

One could post that, but should first ask:  "Should one?"

one doesn't care

7 minutes ago, greend said:

one doesn't care

This one does though.  😞 

1 minute ago, Diehardfan said:

I wasn't sure how he'd do coming out of that offense. Douglas may have gotten a good one.

Why were you worried about the offense Wilson played in translating to the pros?

It's not like he was coming from a triple option offense.

His OC was Jeff Grimes who had been at LSU before BYU as an OC run game coordinator.

He brought to BYU alot of the LSU passing concepts with him and alot of those same concepts are used in the NFL.

It's not like BYU runs some hokey offense, they run the same stuff a lot of colleges run and alot of NFL teams run.

Difference in the NFL is everything is faster and I think that will be the biggest challenge for Zach and any rookie is just adjusting to the speed of the game 

Excited to see how he does, I'm sure he'll have some rookie struggles and who knows he could fall flat on his face,we'll see.

31 minutes ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

I know it's preseason, but Zach Wilson looked spectacular for the Jets against the Packers. So poised.  Works through his reads.  I haven't seen him play much, but that was impressive.

I heard you can only judge a QB after 57 games.

3 minutes ago, dawkdaballhawk said:

I heard you can only judge a QB after 57 games.

So we can finally determine after week 11 of this season whether or not Mahomes is a franchise QB.

1 hour ago, greend said:

No, but corners could basically rape your wide receiver and get away with it. Remember Carolina in the playoffs?

That Carolina game wasn’t even officiated by the rules in place at the time.  No contact rule, pass interference, defensive holding were all in place that game but when Carolina realized that the refs had swallowed their whistles they pushed as far as they could on those.  When I was a youth coach, I always told the kids to take what the ref was giving.  Go to the Carolinas and they would just say the refs let them play that day.

Just what rules other than defenseless receiver rule made it easier for WRs?  No contact rule was nicknamed the Mel Blount rule.  We have posters on here that really don’t remember seeing Blount play.  The blocking rule changes have really favored not get persons hurt. (Not leading with helmets, below the waist blocking limitations, no hands to the head, no lunging at the QBs legs).  The pick rules favor the defense.  Now they have created the protections for the QB that make some sacks harder but with that comes the more rigid enforcement of in the grasp.  

I do think that the protection rules make it easier on the offense than the defense, don’t get me wrong.  But the rule changes towards player safety, basically trying to protect the assets in the days of a salary cap, expanded league funded long term care and the concussion settlement.

Sure, they also look at the entertainment level. Casual fans love the OBJ one handed catches.  They love the long touchdown throws.  So if the rules make those more likely, so much better for the entertainment product. It’s why the clips we see of practice focus on circus catches not OL and DL use of hands and footwork.  It is why a poster on here complained that 50 minutes in "all” the Eagles had worked on in practice yesterday was "footwork”.  Well anyone watching the OL and DL last Thursday that didn’t see the horrible anchoring of Marlon T and the bad footwork of Pryor was focused too much on hoping for that circus catch.  But that circus catch sells. 

1 hour ago, TorontoEagle said:

Was just reading through the Ringer's fantasy draft guide, and the projections are based on FanDuel's projections. For Hurts, they have:

4249 passing yards

25 TDs

545 Rushing

6 Rushing TDs

Would you be happy if he ends the year with those kind of numbers?

How many turnovers?  I would be floored by that result. 

4 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

That Carolina game wasn’t even officiated by the rules in place at the time.  No contact rule, pass interference, defensive holding were all in place that game but when Carolina realized that the refs had swallowed their whistles they pushed as far as they could on those.  When I was a youth coach, I always told the kids to take what the ref was giving.  Go to the Carolinas and they would just say the refs let them play that day.

Just what rules other than defenseless receiver rule made it easier for WRs?  No contact rule was nicknamed the Mel Blount rule.  We have posters on here that really don’t remember seeing Blount play.  The blocking rule changes have really favored not get persons hurt. (Not leading with helmets, below the waist blocking limitations, no hands to the head, no lunging at the QBs legs).  The pick rules favor the defense.  Now they have created the protections for the QB that make some sacks harder but with that comes the more rigid enforcement of in the grasp.  

I do think that the protection rules make it easier on the offense than the defense, don’t get me wrong.  But the rule changes towards player safety, basically trying to protect the assets in the days of a salary cap, expanded league funded long term care and the concussion settlement.

Sure, they also look at the entertainment level. Casual fans love the OBJ one handed catches.  They love the long touchdown throws.  So if the rules make those more likely, so much better for the entertainment product. It’s why the clips we see of practice focus on circus catches not OL and DL use of hands and footwork.  It is why a poster on here complained that 50 minutes in "all” the Eagles had worked on in practice yesterday was "footwork”.  Well anyone watching the OL and DL last Thursday that didn’t see the horrible anchoring of Marlon T and the bad footwork of Pryor was focused too much on hoping for that circus catch.  But that circus catch sells. 

You are correct... but that rule came under closer scrutiny by the officials in the early 2000s and became called a lot closer.  There was illegal contact 'on the books' since about 1978, but it wasn't really until around the early 2000s that it really started to get called at the rate we see today and for the ticky tack stuff we see now.   Similar to the new emphasis on 'taunting' that has been discussed prior to this season.  There's not a hard and fast 'rule change' to point to, but you can bet that there will be far more calls this year than in previous years, even without a rule change.  

1 hour ago, austinfan said:

Which is why I've learned to ignore QB stats, with the current rules it's easy to inflate numbers without helping your team win.

In the end, the QB's job isn't to pad his stats but help his team score points (and avoid turnovers that lead to the other team scoring points).

So all the yardage gained between the 20s amount to little if they only lead to a series of long FG attempts.

Yep.  All the talk about Dak leading the league last year when he went down overlooks the fact his team was 1-4 and should have been 0-5. 

3 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Yep.  All the talk about Dak leading the league last year when he went down overlooks the fact his team was 1-4 and should have been 0-5. 

Yes, that's called 'context'.

4 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Yep.  All the talk about Dak leading the league last year when he went down overlooks the fact his team was 1-4 and should have been 0-5. 

Kirk cousins the same 

Dude always puts up big numbers but his teams never win anything.

31 minutes ago, dawkdaballhawk said:

I heard you can only judge a QB after 57 games.

And how did he come up with the arbitrary number of week 9 of year 4 ??

4 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Yep.  All the talk about Dak leading the league last year when he went down overlooks the fact his team was 1-4 and should have been 0-5. 

Dak's rookie season is somewhat comparable to the situation Hurts is now in.  His season was impressive because he threw 23 TD and only 4 INT.  He put up only 3,667 passing yards in 16 games but was very efficient doing so.  Dak had a huge advantage of a 'Cadillac' of an offense already in place at WR, TE, #4 pick overall at RB, and one of the NFL's best OL -- Hurts doesn't have the same kind of weapons -- but 459 passes against only 57 runs for Prescott in 2016. 

I keep coming back to that pass attempts / run attempts ratio because IMO it's very important.  Sirianni has to instill in Hurts to use his legs and mobility to extend plays for the WR to come open for big plays -- not follow the Lamar Jackson Model of running, because it doesn't work in the NFL long term (and Jackson hasn't translated to playoff success so far)

Just a hunch but I think Eagles do the next 3 cuts early and come out around 4PM today. Otherwise they are dragging 3 guys up to North Jersey to just cut them tomorrow. 

6 hours ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

You know the story, right?

I actually have not heard this story, but I'm looking it up right now.  I thought Najeh Davenport was the only infamous doodoo bandit.  

1 hour ago, austinfan said:

The two years after the SB, with Wentz at QB, Eagles scored 23 and 24 ppg. Last year down to 21 ppg, but that was a mess.

So if under Hurts, they match or exceed those numbers, he's doing fine - because that's the only stat that really matters for a QB.

 

1 hour ago, austinfan said:

Which is why I've learned to ignore QB stats, with the current rules it's easy to inflate numbers without helping your team win.

In the end, the QB's job isn't to pad his stats but help his team score points (and avoid turnovers that lead to the other team scoring points).

So all the yardage gained between the 20s amount to little if they only lead to a series of long FG attempts.

The Cowboys averaged 31.5 PPG in the 4 games that Prescott finished.  He lost games that he scored 38 and 31 points.

You said that the only stat that really matters for a QB is points.  So it is not at all Prescott's fault the Cowboys started 1-3, correct ??

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Yes, that's called 'context'.

I think you and Afan actually agree.  Look at RBs and one of the first things looked at is Average Yard Per Carry.  That matters but it matters in context.   Player runs seven times in a game including an 80 yard run.  The YPC may look outstanding but the reality may be three stops, two runs of a couple of yards. And a four yarder. So a 12.57 YPC.  Meanwhile, on the other side the RB carries 20+ times never for less than 2 yards but the highest run being a ten yarder.  He carries for over 100 yards  and a 4.8 YPC. The first runner looks like he had the better day but player 2 is on the winning team.  Stats don’t tell the story without context. 

17 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Yep.  All the talk about Dak leading the league last year when he went down overlooks the fact his team was 1-4 and should have been 0-5. 

Actually they were 2-3, but is it really Dak's fault they lost games when he put up 31 and 38 points ??

1 minute ago, BigEFly said:

I think you and Afan actually agree.  Look at RBs and one of the first things looked at is Average Yard Per Carry.  That matters but it matters in context.   Player runs seven times in a game including an 80 yard run.  The YPC may look outstanding but the reality may be three stops, two runs of a couple of yards. And a four yarder. So a 12.57 YPC.  Meanwhile, on the other side the RB carries 20+ times never for less than 2 yards but the highest run being a ten yarder.  He carries for over 100 yards  and a 4.8 YPC. The first runner looks like he had the better day but player 2 is on the winning team.  Stats don’t tell the story without context. 

I would hope that we do, but he is on the record now as saying that all that matters is PPG for a QB.  He didn't mention any context about that.  Maybe he was just being lazy or just typing out quickly, but we know that afan isn't always known for brevity.  So, I think he presented a very simplistic measure and didn't discuss the context and when he was talking about QB stats not mattering, he was referring to TD passes, ypa, total yards, etc.  But, I think those numbers in context absolutely matter for evaluating a QB.   I don't put hard and fast rules to it like PFF does and try to quantify it to a single numerical value, but I think that it must be factored into the evaluation.   That said, evaluation of a QB's performance is generally a very subjective measurement, no matter how it is sliced.  The objective numbers of hard statistics is what it is... objective.  However, it is the interpretation of those statistics that determines the overall evaluation, and frankly, there's no getting around the subjective nature of that.  (For the record, my issue with PFF has always been that they portray their evaluations as somehow objective, when they are, in fact, highly subjective.  Not that I want to go down that rabbit hole again.)

3 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Actually they were 2-3, but is it really Dak's fault they lost games when he put up 31 and 38 points ??

You do realize the chart you put up shows him putting up no more than 24 points in any game.  It is a team game.  He threw for a boatload of yards but yet the other teams were putting up more points.