Just now, BigEFly said:

Dude, I don’t think we are more aligned on Howie has to go than since we were aligned on Jefferson and I think we were aligned on Howie even before he blew that pick.  

That was the death knell for him as far as I was concerned.  His mismanagement of the cap is just the icing on the cake.

5 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Yup.  Lightning in a bottle only happens once.  

I really didn’t wanna get pulled into this discussion but I talked about this at length before. 2017 you give credit to howie for building that particular roster into a Super Bowl contender with the moves in free agency and the drafts in the last year of Reid’s tenure as well as the fruits of the 4-12 season in Reid’s last year. You cannot take that away from howie winning that Super Bowl

however that doesn’t mean it’s not the ultimate lightning in a bottle/outlier of the last decade. Go back to the end of 2010 until  ow. Besides 2017, the eagles have been an up and down franchise with a bunch of dysfunction in the organization. I could list a ton of different stories of dysfunction: howie/banner feud, reid and howie feuding, reid with his son off the field, DeSean Jackson being a gang member, to Riley Cooper being a racist, howie/chip feud, nearly hiring mcadoo and saved by the giants, stories about them wanting to replace doug with Schwartz and also doug saving reich’s job, to leaks from the locker room multiple years all the way to the end of doug and Carson here. And I haven’t even mention the poor drafting and some of the bad contracts that have accumulated over the past couple years. Just because you make a good trade back from 6 does not absolve you from the three other seasons prior to that where you kept trading away draft picks for minimal help or handed out bad contracts that hurt your team down the road.

it wasn’t just the end of Doug and Carson. How it ended is really a reflection of a large problem with this organization outside of that 2017 season. The stories that Came out that should’ve never seen the light of day but someone inside the organization per usual couldn’t keep their mouth shut and wanted to try and paint themselves as not the villain.

I will always appreciate the fact he won a Super Bowl in my lifetime in 2017, however without that season the rest of the time from 2010 to 2020, they had a playoff win and they were 3 games under .500. they weren’t even a top 10 win percentage over that decade in the league even with that super bowl year. They rank 12th. Slightly above the middle of the pack which is really consistent for much of 2010-2020. I am not saying horrible during the decade. They were slightly above average. What I am saying without that lightning in a bottle 2017 season that decade looks a lot bleaker than it would’ve held great memories. And a lot more stories of dysfunction within the organization then promise. That super bowl run overshadows that for much of that decade the eagles were really not that close to winning a super bowl and had a plethora of dysfunction. 

17 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Sirianni was hired to be a yes man with no backbone.  That doesn't mean he is one.  As we so often see, the people Howie brings in often don't pan out as he expects.  

He was hired to be a yes man with no backbone but that doesn’t mean he is one?  Huh?   So you conclude that if Sirianni isn’t a yes man, that Howie failed in hiring one?  I understand you negative view most of the time but do you see why I struggle with this logic of your conclusion?  

4 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Which is why they hired NS.  Because he didn’t say no.  Doug wasn’t a highly sought after candidate either.   He was a Yes man.  Until he wasn’t.  Hopefully NS gets empowered enough to push back to.  

Actually, you have no clue if that is true. None. Unless we're using Mucas Hayes as a reliable source.

Chip and Pederson were both unique, Chip the big name college coach who was given too much power (we've seen this one before, and we'll see it this year), Pederson the players' coach who didn't want to hire assistants who'd challenge him. Pederson had nothing to do with being a yes man and everything to do to being a stabilizing influence on the team.

There's never the right HC until there's the right HC, that is, most of the "hot" HCs fail. You only find out ex post if you made the right choice. AR was considered a huge reach by Lurie, limited experience (less than Sirianni), until he became a HOF HC.

The Eagles have had troubles drafting, Douglas was brought in for that reason, unfortunately often the #2 guy in other organizations turns out to be a #2 guy, that is, he may function well with a top guy making the decisions, but can't duplicate the organization's success elsewhere. There's no standardized test you can give to find out. The GM's real influence on this is by who they hire, in the end either the scouts feed you good info or you're screwed. No GM is going through film on 1000 players. Whether the current guys will do better remains to be seen. What Howie does best is maneuver around the draft, but he needs good people feeding him player values.

The difference between 2016 and forward on acquisitions was primarily luck, Jerrigan was good value until he hurt his neck, Malik until he hurt his foot, Hargrave is looking good. DeSean was an overpay, Jeffrey was a good addition with a bad extension. In 2016 every addition worked out, but it's hard to hit 1.000 over a longer period.

Beware of what you wish for, Howie's managed to have this team somewhere between 10-12th over the last five years, before that it's hard to know, the Dream Team was probably more about AR getting desperate to get over the top, AR basically backed Howie as his "puppet." Howie really never had control until 2016, maybe 2012 after the Dream Team collapsed. You can do a lot worse, since over half the NFL have over an extended period.

 

Phillies doing a bang up job against the worst team in the NL this year in the dbacks (without the Phillies help they’d be the worst record in baseball). 0-4 for the fightins. The dbacks are apparently the new marlins for the Phillies. 

So has it been determined that the starters aren't playing tomorrow?

9 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

That was the death knell for him as far as I was concerned.  His mismanagement of the cap is just the icing on the cake.

His gambling and ultimately wasting day 2 picks did it for me.  

5 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I found this on the golf course last year.   

Stealing other player’s balls.  

23 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

I absolutely do. if the coach feels he needs preseason, he should be able to play his guys in the preseason. You can't have these kinds of decisions coming from guys upstairs.

It can be a collaboration... but if it's absolutely mandated by the GM or owner, it's a bad look and poor process IMO.

This should be something laid out during the interview process. I suspect it was with Sirianni. 

Completely Off Topic:

Anyone ever have their engine splash plate come loose while driving?

Was doing 75 on the interstate coming home from the mountains and the front part came loose and started dragging. It was the gnarliest sound ever. Pulled over to the shoulder and, with much struggle and profanity, was able to Macgyver it together with zip ties to make it home.

Never experienced this in all my years of driving.

7 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Actually, you have no clue if that is true. None. Unless we're using Mucas Hayes as a reliable source.

Chip and Pederson were both unique, Chip the big name college coach who was given too much power (we've seen this one before, and we'll see it this year), Pederson the players' coach who didn't want to hire assistants who'd challenge him. Pederson had nothing to do with being a yes man and everything to do to being a stabilizing influence on the team.

There's never the right HC until there's the right HC, that is, most of the "hot" HCs fail. You only find out ex post if you made the right choice. AR was considered a huge reach by Lurie, limited experience (less than Sirianni), until he became a HOF HC.

The Eagles have had troubles drafting, Douglas was brought in for that reason, unfortunately often the #2 guy in other organizations turns out to be a #2 guy, that is, he may function well with a top guy making the decisions, but can't duplicate the organization's success elsewhere. There's no standardized test you can give to find out. The GM's real influence on this is by who they hire, in the end either the scouts feed you good info or you're screwed. No GM is going through film on 1000 players. Whether the current guys will do better remains to be seen. What Howie does best is maneuver around the draft, but he needs good people feeding him player values.

The difference between 2016 and forward on acquisitions was primarily luck, Jerrigan was good value until he hurt his neck, Malik until he hurt his foot, Hargrave is looking good. DeSean was an overpay, Jeffrey was a good addition with a bad extension. In 2016 every addition worked out, but it's hard to hit 1.000 over a longer period.

Beware of what you wish for, Howie's managed to have this team somewhere between 10-12th over the last five years, before that it's hard to know, the Dream Team was probably more about AR getting desperate to get over the top, AR basically backed Howie as his "puppet." Howie really never had control until 2016, maybe 2012 after the Dream Team collapsed. You can do a lot worse, since over half the NFL have over an extended period.

 

You are excusing Howie’s failures with a mediocre GM with some severe flaws,is better than his replacement, who might fail.  I say that now is the best time to roll that dice. 

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

This should be something laid out during the interview process. I suspect it was with Sirianni. 

It should be. A first time head coach may not realize how important preseason can be though. He also might think it's reasonable when agreeing to be head coach, and change his mind when he sees his team in August. Things change. I just think it's poor process to eliminate an opportunity, especially if it is Lowie who are absolutely against it. Let the coach coach.

2 hours ago, Veejer said:

Uh-huh...  so, they lucked into a Super Bowl, and now we're back to scorching them because, well, that's yesterday's news...

That's a damn shame, since that Super Bowl win was prob the highlight of my 50+ years of being a Philadelphia sports fan...  had no idea it was a sham...  oh well...

 

I really like this post because it speaks to my heart. After years and years and years of heartache, we finally win the whole thing, and then a few years later everyone who was involved was just a complete boob who happened to be along for the ride. It's maddening how the negativity just permeates everything around the city. 

4 minutes ago, Iggles25 said:

Completely Off Topic:

Anyone ever have their engine splash plate come loose while driving?

Was doing 75 on the interstate coming home from the mountains and the front part came loose and started dragging. It was the gnarliest sound ever. Pulled over to the shoulder and, with much struggle and profanity, was able to Macgyver it together with zip ties to make it home.

Never experienced this in all my years of driving.

When I was younger I had my after market exhaust rust off, fall and drag around the axel. Luckily I had a wire coat hanger to rig it up to stay off the ground 

8 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

His gambling and ultimately wasting day 2 picks did it for me.  

Stealing other player’s balls.  

That's what makes me upset.  

Seems like Howie does his better drafting in the later rounds.

1 minute ago, schuy7 said:

It should be. A first time head coach may not realize how important preseason can be though. He also might think it's reasonable when agreeing to be head coach, and change his mind when he sees his team in August. Things change. I just think it's poor process to eliminate an opportunity, especially if it is Lowie who are absolutely against it. Let the coach coach.

Ehh. A first-time HC has been around the game long enough to understand the importance of preseason. He’s not making the jump from college. Maybe Sirianni changes his mind down the line, but wouldn’t that be on him for taking a job knowing that’s how the GM/Owner feel?

As for poor process, it’s hard to say it’s a bad process without actually understanding what all went into the process to eliminate it. 

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

When I was younger I had my after market exhaust rust off, fall and drag around the axel. Luckily I had a wire coat hanger to rig it up to stay off the ground 

Crazy stuff man. Because the plate was still attached by two bolts, I couldn't remove it. At least not on the scorching hot asphalt of the interstate shoulder. Couldn't reach them. Don't think I've ever said F more in a 15 minute span lol

8 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

I really like this post because it speaks to my heart. After years and years and years of heartache, we finally win the whole thing, and then a few years later everyone who was involved was just a complete boob who happened to be along for the ride. It's maddening how the negativity just permeates everything around the city. 

Yup. People hate Ertz, Wentz, Doug, Howie, Lurie, Peters, Jenkins, Schwartz. It goes on and on. Stay long enough in Philly and you eventually become a villain. 

I couldn’t possibly have any ill will toward any Super Bowl contributor. It was easily the happiest sports moment of my life.

20 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

So has it been determined that the starters aren't playing tomorrow?

No, but I am definitely not expecting them to. Frankly I don't really care. Sure it's fun to turn on the television in August and watch the regulars play, but it's September when it starts to matter.

7 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

I really like this post because it speaks to my heart. After years and years and years of heartache, we finally win the whole thing, and then a few years later everyone who was involved was just a complete boob who happened to be along for the ride. It's maddening how the negativity just permeates everything around the city. 

I truly believe a lot of that stems from the dysfunction and leaked stories that have come out from inside the Eagles. Everyone who has been with the team over the past couple years is partially responsible for where are the eagles currently sit. Doug, Carson Wentz, Howie Roseman and Jeffrey lurie and others all deserve some sort of blame. However when you get the type of leaked stories we’ve seen (for a while now when things aren’t peachy)thats when you get pinning everyone against each other and playing favorites game.  having to dislike Carson and rag on doug as they Leave stems more to stories that should’ve never seen the light of day being leaked. We should be grateful that both of those guys had their best season in 2017 so that we can hoist a Lombardi trophy. Instead of being grateful for their services, when they left they were kicked when they were down because of the stories that were leaked. 

Life moments:

HS Graduation

College Graduation 

Eagles Super Bowl Championship 

*Not married and no kids

1 minute ago, Iggles25 said:

Life moments:

HS Graduation

College Graduation 

Eagles Super Bowl Championship 

*Not married and no kids

Phillies WS

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Yup. People hate Ertz, Wentz, Doug, Howie, Lurie, Peters, Jenkins, Schwartz. It goes on and on. Stay long enough in Philly and you eventually become a villain. 

I couldn’t possibly have any ill will toward any Super Bowl contributor. It was easily the happiest sports moment of my life.

I really don’t hate any of those guys. I do get a good chuckle out of the peters will be back for all of eternity jokes. I’m grateful they brought us a title.

that said they aren’t absolved from criticism for some of the downfalls in particular games or seasons. 

I don’t hate howie either. I was actually for giving him a chance when they brought him back in 2016. My bigger issue is, how some shift any blame off him and go to ridiculous lengths/excuses to justify mistakes or bad decisions.  

I personally believe that some of the leak stories have been put out there to vilify certain eagles and shift blame more towards others. 

2 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Phillies WS

That might be the last one we see from the Phillies. Phillies about to enter their third longest drought without a winning season in franchise history. Theres a chance they can reach the most with how player development and drafting is going. 

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

That might be the last one we see from the Phillies. Phillies about to enter their third longest drought without a winning season in franchise history. Theres a chance they can reach the most with how player development and drafting is going. 

Shame Cole screwed around that offseason. If he came back in shape they win 09 as well.

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I really don’t hate any of those guys. I do get a good chuckle out of the peters will be back for all of eternity jokes. I’m grateful they brought us a title.

that said they aren’t absolved from criticism for some of the downfalls in particular games or seasons. 

I don’t hate howie either. I was actually for giving him a chance when they brought him back in 2016. My bigger issue is, how some shift any blame off him and go to ridiculous lengths/excuses to justify mistakes or bad decisions.  

I personally believe that some of the leak stories have been put out there to vilify certain eagles and shift blame more towards others. 

Absolved from criticism? Of course not. It goes way beyond criticism though. It’s what have you done for me lately, and many posters seem to have the attention span of a gnat.