7 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Phillies WS

I liked the Eagles SB more but Phillies WS was more memorable for me. I went out on Broad St to watch game 5, waited around forever watching weather radars to figure out when the game would resume only for it to get suspended. Then hauled ass back to Broad St two days later to watch the finish, celebrate and party all around City Hall. An experience like nothing other.

1 hour ago, Diehardfan said:

Shame Cole screwed around that offseason. If he came back in shape they win 09 as well.

True. I tend to think amaro still makes the move for Lee even if Hamels was dominating that year. I think the bigger shame is we only got hamels, Lee, halladay and oswalt for one season in 2011. That rotation was nasty but really after 2011 felt like all but hamels fell off a cliff 

13 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Absolved from criticism? Of course not. It goes way beyond criticism though. It’s what have you done for me lately, and many posters seem to have the attention span of a gnat. 

 there’s some people on here that go above and beyond trying to absolve howie for any wrongdoing on here. the he was trying to keep the Super Bowl window open when making some of those bad decisions. Nearly every general manager (unless you are in a complete rebuild) is trying to keep their Super Bowl window open, win a title and making decisions. Just cause you were trying to do that doesn’t mean you can’t have any criticism or consequences for those decision. I think fans like iggle phan and I are more upset that everyone deserves blame but the excuses to shift blame off some in this organization are beyond ridiculous. 

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 there’s some people on here that go above and beyond trying to absolve howie for any wrongdoing on here. the he was trying to keep the Super Bowl window open when making some of those bad decisions. Nearly every general manager (unless you are in a complete rebuild) is trying to keep their Super Bowl window open, win a title and making decisions. Just cause you were trying to do that doesn’t mean you can’t have any criticism or consequences for those decision. I think fans like iggle phan and I are more upset that everyone deserves blame but the excuses to shift blame off some in this organization are beyond ridiculous. 

 

17 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I liked the Eagles SB more but Phillies WS was more memorable for me. I went out on Broad St to watch game 5, waited around forever watching weather radars to figure out when the game would resume only for it to get suspended. Then hauled ass back to Broad St two days later to watch the finish, celebrate and party all around City Hall. An experience like nothing other.

I think some of that also goes back to it was the first championship some of us have seen won in our lifetimes. As a diehard Phillies fan, grew up watching some of those guys in the minors grow up and blossom into what they became and culminate with a title. I also attribute that my grandparents and mom loved baseball and it’s really what got me into a sports fanatic. The first jersey i ever received was a daulton jersey 

1 hour ago, BigEFly said:

You are excusing Howie’s failures with a mediocre GM with some severe flaws,is better than his replacement, who might fail.  I say that now is the best time to roll that dice. 

His replacement will probably fail, not might fail. So prepared to go through 2 or 3 and a decade of futility.

If Howie is 10-12th, the nine ahead of him are mostly guys with lifetime tenure and aren't available. Their assistants are, but as Douglas showed, that's not the same.

And you want to hire the guys with worse track records?

Be careful what you wish for, you might get it.

7 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I think some of that also goes back to it was the first championship some of us have seen won in our lifetimes. As a diehard Phillies fan, grew up watching some of those guys in the minors grow up and blossom into what they became and culminate with a title. I also attribute that my grandparents and mom loved baseball and it’s really what got me into a sports fanatic. The first jersey i ever received was a daulton jersey 

That too, but personally, I was 4-5 years removed from the Philly area by the time the Eagles won. So it was really cool celebrating with the 200 people at my "Philly” bar, but I can’t imagine the atmosphere on the streets that night. 

1 hour ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Which is why they hired NS.  Because he didn’t say no.  Doug wasn’t a highly sought after candidate either.   He was a Yes man.  Until he wasn’t.  Hopefully NS gets empowered enough to push back to.  

Was Doug a yes man when they won the Super Bowl?

I wasn't the biggest Joe Douglas fan while he was here, but why is the book on him already finished??

What about Howie is not replaceable? There are hundreds of analytics guys. Howie doesn't have any special quality.

8 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

I wasn't the biggest Joe Douglas fan while he was here, but why is the book on him already finished??

Cause we destroyed the Jets and moved to 4-0 in the joint practices. 

53 minutes ago, austinfan said:

His replacement will probably fail, not might fail. So prepared to go through 2 or 3 and a decade of futility.

If Howie is 10-12th, the nine ahead of him are mostly guys with lifetime tenure and aren't available. Their assistants are, but as Douglas showed, that's not the same.

And you want to hire the guys with worse track records?

Be careful what you wish for, you might get it.

I find this as a bad argument. so cause there’s a chance It might fail you should never make a move to try to get better or find somebody who could be the next big thing cause you are content being 10-12. With this logic they should’ve never fired andy and banner because those two arguably were top five (at worse top 10) at what they did for an entire decade. Which means howie would’ve never even gotten his chance. Add on if the eagles finish something like 7-10 or worse then the past two seasons would be worse than Andy’s last 2 years here that got him canned. Players, coaches and GMs can all decline and regress over time. Just cause you were great once, doesn’t mean it carries over for the rest of your career. 

Yes theres a chance it fails. There’s also a chance they hit it out of the park. 

Howie needs to nail this rebuild, but he's earned the chance to make it work.

By 2023, either they're turning it around or the new guy will get to do so.

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

That too, but personally, I was 4-5 years removed from the Philly area by the time the Eagles won. So it was really cool celebrating with the 200 people at my "Philly” bar, but I can’t imagine the atmosphere on the streets that night. 

I was living in colorado when Eagles SB game happened. I’ve never got to really be around many Eagles fans other than an away game, which we lost. My friend/coworker who happened to be from Philly & was a big time Eagles fan, he invited me over to his place to watch it with one of his buddies that was also an Eagles fan. I can’t imagine being surrounded by a ton of Eagles fans for that game, what an experience that has to be. But us 3 when we celebrated we were as loud as 50 people at least. Lol. best part of that game was my other buddy came over to watch the game, he was a Cowboys fan. 
 

I’ve never actually been to Philly, only been to the East Coast a few times in my life. Always been on the west coast. Looking forward to the day I can finally check the city out & catch a home game

6 hours ago, ManuManu said:

Yup. People hate Ertz, Wentz, Doug, Howie, Lurie, Peters, Jenkins, Schwartz. It goes on and on. Stay long enough in Philly and you eventually become a villain. 

I couldn’t possibly have any ill will toward any Super Bowl contributor. It was easily the happiest sports moment of my life.

I think you're a little misguided here. The vast majority don't hate those players/people. I sure as hell don't. I also recognize when it's time to move on from something that isn't working.

Take Peters for example. He's a HoFer and an Eagle great. He was here when we won our first Super Bowl. I will always have love for the guy. Having said that, him continuing to get signed the past few seasons while he hobbles after every play and eventually misses an extended period of time due to injury was foolish. Yet the signings continued.

Not too mention him demanding more money for having to move to left tackle more recently.

That's the issue and it has nothing to do with hating the person. I don't really think it's that hard of a concept to grasp.

I would have said 7-9, but with 17 games I am going with 8-9.

They went 7-9 the first year with Doug, and I feel the team is a bit more complete now than then.

8 hours ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Yep.  I hope he pans out.  And the "not giving him a fair shake” argument is weak and not the point.  

The point is not weak, and maybe it wasn't your point but it WAS mine... I can guaran-goddam-tee you that if Sirianni succeeds, no one will take back the "lack of clout"/"yes man" jibes... but if he fails, oh dear god, Armaggedon...

2 hours ago, Swoop said:

I think you're a little misguided here. The vast majority don't hate those players/people. I sure as hell don't. I also recognize when it's time to move on from something that isn't working.

Take Peters for example. He's a HoFer and an Eagle great. He was here when we won our first Super Bowl. I will always have love for the guy. Having said that, him continuing to get signed the past few seasons while he hobbles after every play and eventually misses an extended period of time due to injury was foolish. Yet the signings continued.

Not too mention him demanding more money for having to move to left tackle more recently.

That's the issue and it has nothing to do with hating the person. I don't really think it's that hard of a concept to grasp.

I think there’s a difference between recognizing when it’s time to move on and villainizing a player or person. The way some of these guys have been talked about lately, it sure seems like it’s gone beyond "time to move on.”

1 hour ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I think it’s got nothing to do with "attention span”.  Couldn’t be anything farther from the truth.  I’d argue that others aren’t paying attention.   Now call me over critical, negative, ungrateful (which isn’t true) or anything.  But non attentive?   That doesn’t make sense.  I am fully aware and attentive.  That might be the problem.  

Attention span wasn’t the right term. Ungrateful? Maybe. What have you done for me lately? Definitely. 

Winning the Super Bowl doesn’t absolve them of their faults, but it gives them clout.
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

OK, that wasn’t your word, but I’m keeping it going. And that last part was just a flimsy way to get clout in there. 

Thank you Dallas.

9 hours ago, austinfan said:

Problem is you have no clue if that is true.

For one thing, Sirianni is in a unique situation, on the one hand his best players are linemen over 30 who he doesn't want to expose in preseason, on the other hand it's a new roster with a lot of decisions that need to be made in terms of depth, practice squad, picking up waiver wire people and so on. He's not fine tuning a playoff contender here. And a lot of teams around the league have limited starter snaps, it's not just the Eagles, if Hurts didn't have his stomach aliment, he'd be in the middle of the pack in QB snaps playing two series.

During scrimmages, 1st against 1st, 2nds against 2nds, so the back of the roster guys get more PT in exhibition games, but the starters get more snaps in scrimmages than playing in exhibition games. So you're balancing a bunch of things with a shortened preseason schedule.

This Friday may be a weather issue, if it's a muddy field, do you want your starters out there?

A muddy artificial surface?

13 hours ago, BigEFly said:

Joe Brady has way less experience than Sirianni.  Why would he have power to push back ?  Duce Staley, who never had a coaching position outside the Eagles and way less experience than Sirianni would have the ability to push back.  McDaniels lost all strengths with his disaster in Denver and then his move with Indy.  Dennis Allen?  What about his career or his stint as Raiders HC suggests the ability to push back.  Might as well have said Wade Phillips.  Todd Bowles?  Didn’t get the job in Miami, didn’t get the job here.  Did such a stellar job with the Jets that they offered him the job.  So a bunch of has been and an apparent young strong offensive minded coach.

If it is a pushing game, the organization fails.  Ever been in an organization where there are two executives pushing at each other all the time?  The best results come from collaboration.  You don’t want all yes men.  In fact, one of the biggest failures from Howie is he appears to say yes too much.  Yes to much to the HC, yes too much to Lurie.  Frankly, that is one of the biggest reasons that he needs to go.  

None of us truly know about "push back" , but "push back" has very little to do with longevity, service, or strength and more to do with attitude. In the interviews the candidates could have easily been asked "do you want full control of the team, or would you rather let an experienced gm deal with talent acquisition"? That could have helped determine whether or not he got the job. Early in my career anywhere that I interviewed I always made it clear that I wanted full control and realized that I would be held accountable as such.

I wish we would have re-signed Rasul when he was cut by the Raiders.  He is so much better than our current depth players and may have made an impact with Gannon's scheme.

I know that I am days late on this.

7 hours ago, austinfan said:

His replacement will probably fail, not might fail. So prepared to go through 2 or 3 and a decade of futility.

Couldn’t the exact same be said for Sirianni??  If you are so worried about the new guy failing, why fire the old guy.  So are we gonna go through 2-3 coaches and a decade of futility ??

37 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Yup. People hate Ertz, Wentz, Doug, Howie, Lurie, Peters, Jenkins, Schwartz. It goes on and on. Stay long enough in Philly and you eventually become a villain. 

I couldn’t possibly have any ill will toward any Super Bowl contributor. It was easily the happiest sports moment of my life.

I love the result of the Super Bowl but I think the cause is misplaced at times and resulted in misjudgment as to what came after.  First Wentz as potential MVP.   It looks like it went to his head and he flatlined, help regressed, as to improvement. Same might be said for Ertz.  Jenkins overvalued his role.  Schwartz hardly stopped anything.  Doug was the result of collaboration and we undervalued Flip and Reich. Peters was actually out.  We undervalue Chris Long’s locker room presence and Nick Foles relationship with other players.  

Lurie, I like as an owner.  Howie lucked out with a couple key FAs but has failed in development of the roster since.  Team cores are built in the first two days of the draft and there he has failed.  Not hate but fact. Pederson was less than Pederson plus Reich plus Flip.  Just the way it is.  No hate.  Schwartz failed to develop his defense and it got a bit predictable.  Since he stepped away, I wonder if he burned out.  Of course, it might be Howie’s failure to deliver any real youth on the defense.  

Despite the flaws, Lane Johnson, Chris Long and those dog masks pulled the team together for an awesome series.