9 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Less Filling!

well played

14 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

There are some that's vision is so tainted they will see what they want to see.  

Just saying that works both ways 

Just now, downundermike said:

So you came  up with your own metric, interesting

Did it years ago, haven't updated b/c it's too much work, but I doubt the numbers have changed much.

There's a huge difference between drafting in the top ten v in the 20s, yet most people talk about 1st rd picks as if they're equivalent. A way of thinking about this is what can you trade #6 for to get to a later first rd pick, all those extra players are part of the value of a #6 pick.

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

All I know is I’m not commenting on tonight’s game. I put in the work and did some solid commentating on joint practices. I’m ready for the regular season. 

Can you just copy and paste the comments from the Pats game?  It might save some ankles for folks leaping from the bandwagon.

 

12 minutes ago, austinfan said:

How many reps do you think starters get in preseason games? Maybe 40 over 3 games? Then two weeks until you play an actual game.

If it takes 4 weeks to catch up, you need new players. More like 1Q to shake off the rust, because most of what you do to prepare for the season is practice, not exhibition games where everyone is going at 3/4 speed.

I think I will trust Bruce Arians over a dude on a message board.

We don’t need game experience against Dallas. We gotta get some game experience before we play Dallas,” Arians said. "It’s too late [on Sept. 9], they’re way too good to all of a sudden get [caught] up to game speed.

"Game speed is something different. You know what I mean? If you’re going full speed, you ain’t getting hurt. It would be a freak thing and a freak thing is going to happen. But them not playing and the all of a sudden playing game speed on Thursday Night Football in front of the world. That’s way too fast to find out all of a sudden.

18 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Spot on. I suspect some rust but I am not sure playing in the third PS game would have cured that.  I do worry about the lack of tackling in the defense.

Absolutely.  I also am concerned about Hurts getting in a reinforced practice of holding the ball too long due to not having that internal clock reinforced with some ramifications in practice, and I worry about ball security for the offensive players not having been tackled to the ground during practice and the preseason.  

All these concerns could take weeks to straighten out...  we'll see if the concerns are validated or not.

10 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

Didn't Paul Simon say something like that?

I remember him saying "You Can Call Me Al."  

All of this goes away if we win week 1 at Atlanta. I can’t believe this preseason argument has been dragging on this long. 

3 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I also am concerned about Hurts getting in a reinforced practice of holding the ball too long due to not having that internal clock reinforced with some ramifications in practice,

But he completed a pass for a TD when he should have been sacked, provides a major boost to his swag factor.

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Absolutely.  I also am concerned about Hurts getting in a reinforced practice of holding the ball too long due to not having that internal clock reinforced with some ramifications in practice, and I worry about ball security for the offensive players not having been tackled to the ground during practice and the preseason.  

All these concerns could take weeks to straighten out...  we'll see if the concerns are validated or not.

A few series of preseason snaps with vanilla schemes isn’t going to make or break habits for anyone. Practice is where those are formed. 

4 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

You just got -1% better tonight.  
 

Because there is no reason to watch tonight, I am shopping with the wife (kill me) and smoking some pork tonight, for tomorrow dinner.  

Go on...

 

3 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

All of this goes away if we win week 1 at Atlanta. I can’t believe this preseason argument has been dragging on this long. 

Why wouldn't it?  Has anything happened to offer any evidence in one direction or the other? 

3 minutes ago, downundermike said:

But he completed a pass for a TD when he should have been sacked, provides a major boost to his swag factor.

Agreed.

34 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

If Hurts drops back to pass and scrambles around and runs towards the line of scrimmage for a one yard loss, it is simply counted as a sack for one yard. It does not count towards his rushing totals at all.

But there's a caveat. If it's a designed run where Hurts runs a bootleg and is stopped a yard behind the line, THAT would count as a rushing play with a loss of one yard. The problem is that sometimes a play is hard to determine for the official stat-keepers. So that's why it's tough to keep stats on a game-by-game basis and have it all balance out at the end of the year. Because often through the course of a season, the league will change a rushing loss into a sack. Or visa versa. I run into this problem every year because the official boxscores after a game can get changed later on, and the stats I keep for all 32 teams will have slight adjustments that have to be made the following summer. 

Thanks. Always learn from posters like you.   I am more familiar with college stats because I tend to look at those for players when I am watching college ball.   Hate the subjective nature of the NFL approach but I guess that is pretty normal in professional sports.  Kind of shows why context matters with stats.  Did the QB hold the ball too long, face a jailhouse blitz or have a slow footed RT whiff at blocking his man.  Sack registered all the same.  Kind of like interceptions where the QB puts the ball with touch right on the receiver’s hands and the receiver bobbles it into the defense hands. Still shows up as an interception for the QB. 

2 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

A few series of preseason snaps with vanilla schemes isn’t going to make or break habits for anyone. Practice is where those are formed. 

Getting up to game speed will absolutely change the perspective.  Not being at game speed is my concern.  Hits on Hurts in the regular season will happen much faster than the 'pulling up' by defenders in practice.  The pass rush in practice where the defenders can't hit the QB aren't the same as game reps, even in preseason, where they are able to hit the QB.  

They say it takes 7 positive comments to make up for a negative comment.  I wonder what it works like with negative reinforcement for a QB for holding the ball too long.  Practice is where you focus on your technique, games are where you find out if those practices have created 'sustainable' change, or if you revert to your old ways.   When the bullets are live, that's when you find out how much what you worked on in practice actually stuck or didn't.  

 

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

For tomorrow.  Pork BBQ Dinner Carolina Style.  I do about 5 hours of a butt tonight and finish tomorrow for dinner.  I’ll smoke some wings tomorrow.  Also Making collard greens.  Wife is making peach cobbler. Neighbors are bringing cornbread.  Other neighbors are bringing Mac and cheese.  After we eat, everyone will sit and watch me get hammered.   

Here's the big question that no one has asked, so I will...

 

Can you give me a breakdown on a Butt versus a picnic shoulder?   What is the best application for each, and why did you choose a butt over a picnic shoulder for this particular treatment?    (I will add that I am often choosing the picnic shoulder due to the difference in price and due to my ignorance, I don't know what I would get getting for the higher price per lb.). 

 

(This might be more interesting for some folks than the rehash of the preseason debate.  Or it might not.)

21 minutes ago, Veejer said:

That's evidence supporting your supposition...  it's not evidence of what will actually happen...  it hasn't happened yet...

There are too many variables to be sure...  most having to do with how your opponents handled the pre-season...

It's also possible that he could have started every snap and the team would have performed the same against Atlanta.  What matters is that the team is in the best position to win.  We can't know whether playing in the preseason would have helped or whether Hurts or another starter would have gotten hurt if they had played.  If they win against Atlanta, it's a non issue. 

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

 

Here's the big question that no one has asked, so I will...

 

Can you give me a breakdown on a Butt versus a picnic shoulder?   What is the best application for each, and why did you choose a butt over a picnic shoulder for this particular treatment?    (I will add that I am often choosing the picnic shoulder due to the difference in price and due to my ignorance, I don't know what I would get getting for the higher price per lb.). 

 

(This might be more interesting for some folks than the rehash of the preseason debate.  Or it might not.)

I think the real answer is the distribution of fat in the butt.  Butt fat is more evenly distributed meaning the butt is marbled. 

1 minute ago, NCiggles said:

It's also possible that he could have started every snap and the team would have performed the same against Atlanta.  What matters is that the team is in the best position to win.  We can't know whether playing in the preseason would have helped or whether Hurts or another starter would have gotten hurt if they had played.  If they win against Atlanta, it's a non issue. 

I won't disagree with that completely, but I see 'success' for this season as the ability to evaluate the young players, starting with Hurts, but plenty of others and determining who is and who is not a part of the new core moving forward.  

I don't care about the Ws and Ls this year, I just want to see improvement and growth from the youth.  And that's why I am frustrated by the kid gloves used with these guys.  It is 100% selfish.

15 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

All of this goes away if we win week 1 at Atlanta. I can’t believe this preseason argument has been dragging on this long. 

Atlanta’s offense is going to shred this defense. Matt Ryan will be getting the ball out quick. Could be real bad. I’m expecting the worst. 

1 minute ago, NCiggles said:

I think the real answer is the distribution of fat in the butt.  Butt fat is more evenly distributed meaning the butt is marbled. 

Yeah... I haven't really cut them open to see the intramuscular fat distributions.  

28 minutes ago, Swoop said:

I wouldn't say that it's negative at all, personally. I think it's pretty reasonable to anticipate the team looking even more sluggish than usual when their young QB has only a few starts and hasn't seen game action in over a month.

Looking at the injuries last year, Brooks, Dillard, Watkins, Parks, Barnett, Hargrave all started the season on IR, none of these guys got hurt in a pre season game.  There was no preseason games.

Not playing in pre season games because of injury risk is IDIOTIC.

The only way the Eagles win week 1 is if we trade for Foles right now. 
 

Matt Ryan will look across the field and see BDN and realize his inferior girth below the waste and instantly playe scared, again. 

6 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Atlanta’s offense is going to shred this defense. Matt Ryan will be getting the ball out quick. Could be real bad. I’m expecting the worst. 

If we lose the Atlanta game, it’s going to be because Hurts and the offense put up a dud. No way our D gives up more than 21 points against Matt Ryan and that putrid offensive line. They’re gonna be in his face every play. 

3 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Picnic is farther down towards the hoof on the front quarter.  It's part of the same primal cut that the butt is.  Which would be the pork shoulder.  Picnic is cheaper because it has more of the tapered from the leg and will yield more inconsistent cuts then the butt.  A butt would be better if you are concerned about cubing or cutting in chunks like for carnitas.  So for this application and what you are talking about, yes the picnic is the better option.  And I would have grabbed one.  But it was Wal Mart at 630 am and all they had was the butt.  Picnic is cheaper.  You are right, otherwise.  No other difference. 

 

 

So in conclusion: carnitas use butt?  Pulled pork use picnic?

 

Just trying to tighten up my pork smoking game.  I've got the spare rib versus baby backs ironed out, and generally find that I prefer the Country style spare ribs a bit more for the money than the baby back if I have time to break it down a little more into St. Louis style and trim.  (I normally smoke the skirt attached to the spares as a snack for the pit master, to satiate me during the cook time.  . )  But, when I am cooking for a group, just getting a couple baby back racks is super convenient.

25 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Lol and you're in the idiot Camp

By the time this team is good Ertz is gonna be 40

Why keep a decent player on a bad team. 

Trust the process

The argument for keeping Ertz is that it helps Hurts develop.  Other than that I could see waiting until the trade deadline to see if you could get a higher pick. 

30 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

You just got -1% better tonight.  
 

Because there is no reason to watch tonight, I am shopping with the wife (kill me) and smoking some pork tonight, for tomorrow dinner.  

Attack that butt