19 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Seems a contradiction there.   If neither is good, why would a team give you anything in return?

Easy answer: Teams are dumb

6 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I mean, this just exudes maximum drip 

 

 

25 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

They all don't really belong on an NFL roster.  JJAW and Fulgham both have a solid frame and catch radius...and move like TEs.  Fulgham put that on display for 3 games in the actual NFL, mostly a fluke byproduct of being ignored, but he did it at the highest level.  JJAW never did squat in the NFL, but he did make a name for himself doing it on a far more consistent basis in college...and that's why he was an actual day 2 prospect, albeit a reach, unlike Fulgham.  But combining all that, I see the two as being interchangeable.  Ideally, only one of them makes the roster, because they don't offer anything different.

Hightower is a homeless man's Todd Pinkston.  I still wouldn't consider him a burner, but he has good deep speed on a linear go-route.  Otherwise he's leggy, features bad hands, has no physical ability against a DB, and is a mistake waiting to happen.

Ward is small and slow, but stands in the right place and catches the football from 3 yards out.

Ward and one of JJAW/Fulgham plus the main 3 seems like the way to go. 

 

5 games, not 3 games.  And it wasn't the byproduct of being ignored.  There wasn't anyone else at WR on the offense doing anything worthwhile during that 5 game stretch for them to be focusing on anyone else after that stretch started.

 

JJAW was drafted 3 years ago.  Whatever he did in college is completely irrelevant at this point.

 

Hightower is not Todd Pinkston, Hightower is Sheldon Gibson. 

Minshew is basically the ideal backup QB.  He's got that unique Koy Detmer personality that enjoys stepping into tough spots cold.  He can run around to make some improvised desperation plays...not what you look for from a starter, but the right kind of disruption you want from your backup who has to play unexpectedly.  And he's not afraid to sling it.  He's just not a precise high end passer.

A lot of that applies to Hurts too...

Hurts will probably have a pretty comparable 1.5-2 year go of it as a starter, actually.  He'll make some plays, generate some hype, get players to rally around him, and then will fade when his passing ability is maxed out and the offense is looking for a steadier and more prolific passer. 

Just now, eagle45 said:

Minshew is basically the ideal backup QB.  He's got that unique Koy Detmer personality that enjoys stepping into tough spots cold.  He can run around to make some improvised desperation plays...not what you look for from a starter, but the right kind of disruption you want from your backup who has to play unexpectedly.  And he's not afraid to sling it.  He's just not a precise high end passer.

A lot of that applies to Hurts too...

Hurts will probably have  pretty comparable 1.5-2 year go of it as a starter, actually.  He'll make some plays, generate some hype, get players to rally around him, and then will fade when his passing ability is maxed out and the offense is looking for a steadier and more prolific passer. 

Please, do not compare him to Koy Detmer

4 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

Is Minshew the best QB on the Eagles?

 

 

He is only two years older than is Hurts.

 

Minshew gives me that Ryan Fitzpatrick vibe. Sometimes not good, occasionally plays elite (like Fitzpatrick always does vs us), good backup qb material. 

We can get that tranny in a few years when Meyer ruins him apparently a lot of the players already hate his college nonsense lol. 

 

24 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

 

Ward is one of the most inefficient WRs in NFL history.  He accumulates catches by standing short of the 1st down marker on underneath routes and just scooping up check-downs that should not have been checked down.  That's what our offense was last year.

He's a safety blanket for the coaches because he runs the right route and has reliable hands (last night doesn't change that).  

If you are going to force the ball to someone who can't get open, in coverage, beyond the first down marker, I'd probably take JJAW on that play instead of Ward.  Again, I hate that I'm in the position of arguing on behalf of JJAW here.  Just splitting the hairs of failure.

 

Holy hyperbole.

 

There is a big difference between JJAW and Ward, and that is in actual NFL games Ward has made those must make catches at key points of games on 3rd down or 4th down for the first down or TD meanwhile JJAW has dropped those opportunities. 

WTF????

Trading for Minshew is the off Broadway version of the Hurts draft pick.

I really think that Howie is overthinking the importance of the backup QB. 

Yes, it was a critical piece in 2017/2018.  But there is no need to continually over-engineer it.

33 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Not following this logic.

 

Minshew gives the Eagles another option to start along with Flacco or play if Flacco starts and gets hurt while Watson deals with whatever suspension he will ultimately end up with.  

Just now, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Minshew gives the Eagles an other option to start along with Flacco or play if Flacco starts and gets hurt while Watson deals with whatever suspension he will ultimately end up with.  

I would love to get Watson, but I think that ship has sailed

Just now, downundermike said:

I would love to get Watson, but I think that ship has sailed

I thought the ship sunk?

1 minute ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

WTF????

Trading for Minshew is the off Broadway version of the Hurts draft pick.

I really think that Howie is overthinking the importance of the backup QB. 

Yes, it was a critical piece in 2017/2018.  But there is no need to continually over-engineer it.

This entire franchise and fan base has lost their minds on back up QBs. 

The Minshew trade is great value. Super cheap QB who can win games for you and costs nothing for QB standards.

It's crazy overkill and I wonder what it means for Flacco, but I probably wouldn't have been able to resist this if I were Howie.

My concern with the Minshew trade. How will he take being a number 3? He wanted to be on a team he could compete to be the starter a few months back before the draft when the rumors came out the Jags were looking to move him. 

"According to ESPN’s Jeremy Fowler, the Jaguars are asking for a fifth-or-sixth-round selection for the former Washington State star. Fowler also notes that Gardner Minshew would like an opportunity to earn a starting job."

 

I smell drama

Let's just acknowledge the elephant in the room that if we are down to our #3 QB, we'd prefer to lose the balance of the games anyway for draft position...

I do understand the rationale of securing a backup QB for 2022 though.

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I thought the ship sunk?

Sank along with 22 deck handies hands on board

11 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Ward is overvalued by many here.  The fact that he was the team's receptions leader last year says much more about the pathetic state of the receivers last year than it does his value.   Remember, Fulgham was the leading yards leader and he only started half a dozen games.   Just a pathetic franchise when it comes to WRs over the past few years.  I like a feel good story as much as the next guy, but this team needs to move beyond the likes of Greg Ward and Travis Fulgham to truly compete in the NFL.   

The only WRs that should be safe are Smith and Reagor.  Watkins showed something, so he gets a nod.  Hightower has speed, and got some DPI calls last year, if he can work on his hands, he might be a decent #4.  Fulgham and Ward are what they are.  And those last few WR positions should be churned with WRs that can actually play ST and might have some upside.   Find me some 6'+ 200lb+ Wrs with speed on the waiver wire that can cover punts and kickoffs, and maybe contribute on offense a little and let's see what they have.  Fulgham and Ward can make it through waivers and go to the PS, in case of emergency.

Well, let's keep in mind we're talking about the 4th, 5th, and maybe 6th WRs here...  and we're talking comparatively... he's just a better WR than Fulgham or JJAW, IMO...  you can move past guys when you have better guys... the discussion wasn't about re-shuffling the roster, it was about Fulgham/JJAW/Ward comparatively...

This shows the amount of influence Dave Caldwell (former Jags GM) has in the front office.

Minshew is a quality QB that we got for a 6th round pick and people are still finding issues with Howie. 
 

The condition that makes it a 5th should tell you he’s 3rd string this year. 

3 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

WTF????

Trading for Minshew is the off Broadway version of the Hurts draft pick.

I really think that Howie is overthinking the importance of the backup QB. 

Yes, it was a critical piece in 2017/2018.  But there is no need to continually over-engineer it.

It’s an odd move, considering both Flacco and Minshew would be decidedly unhappy with a #3 role — Minshew had various quotes saying he was competing for the starter role in JAX.  I doubt there is any trade market for Flacco out there that would recoup the pick.

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Let's just acknowledge the elephant in the room that if we are down to our #3 QB, we'd prefer to lose the balance of the games anyway for draft position...

I do understand the rationale of securing a backup QB for 2022 though.

I would have been fine to go in with just 2 QBs. Not expecting to compete but needed a backup that can actually get the ball to the receivers 

1 hour ago, RLC said:

I really like this trade. 6th rounder not as valuable to us in 2022 given we have so many picks (they can't all make the roster). It doesn't stop our ability to get a QB later. Minshew is signed until 2022, so we have a cheap backup next year...who can hopefully replace Flacco.

We got the porn ‘stache.  

12 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Minshew is basically the ideal backup QB.  He's got that unique Koy Detmer personality that enjoys stepping into tough spots cold.  He can run around to make some improvised desperation plays...not what you look for from a starter, but the right kind of disruption you want from your backup who has to play unexpectedly.  And he's not afraid to sling it.  He's just not a precise high end passer.

A lot of that applies to Hurts too...

Hurts will probably have a pretty comparable 1.5-2 year go of it as a starter, actually.  He'll make some plays, generate some hype, get players to rally around him, and then will fade when his passing ability is maxed out and the offense is looking for a steadier and more prolific passer. 

Yep. Win a few meaningless games that keep them from a better pick like the NO game last year.