4 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

They have the 49ers first. 

Also the niners 2023 first.

I think it would’ve been pretty humorous if the Dolphins still had first from the Texans they got for tunsil, which was done to help watson. And Miami managed to trade it back to the Texans for watson. 

3 minutes ago, justrelax said:

Clearly, Stoutland has modified Dillard's set, just as earlier he modified Seumalo's. One size does not fit all and it just goes to show what a great coach Stoutland is. A couple of things about this deeper set. First off, if the timing is sluggish, the DE will get into Dillard while he is still moving backwards and Dillard will have no leverage. The result? He gets trucked. That's the bad. But second, if he gets into his set timely, he can drop his hips and drive his punch. Time and again in the first half he did this, jolting the DE and then resetting, ready to jolt the DE again.

I think all those reports of him getting trucked in practice were part of the growing pains and developing this technique. I could be wrong, of course, but that's the way it looks to me. Dillard is extremely quick, as Stout has commented on several times.  Because of this quickness, he can modify his set, and he has.

The concern I have with such a deep set is that when he does get trucked, there's less time/space for the QB to adjust.

13 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

How dumb is Dallas to not just give a 5th outright for Minshew? They really are going to stick with Gilbert or DeNucci? 

You seem to have a problem with this? It concerns me that you are asking these kinds of silly questions. 

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Of course... but I have them with 5 wins as the prediction... so they need to win 5 against someone.  More than likely they find a way to beat the Bucs and lose to the Cowpukes twice or something.   I'd give the Jets a win, but the Eagles have never lost to the Jets in regular season.

Theyll win some game they have no business winning. They did that last year against the Saints. Hill started and the Saints were on their third road game in 3 weeks and looked sluggish to start the game. Something like that is gonna happen. 

Alright, as a nod to the baseball minor league prospect lists, I always like to do an annual Eagles top prospect list.  I'd love to bump the one from last year, but I doubt I'll ever find it.  To be included, you must be 24 or under and not currently penciled in as a starter.  If you are penciled in as a starter, even as a rookie, that's the baseball equivalent of being in the majors and therefore no longer a farm prospect (ie Devonta Smith doesn't qualify)...so it's not the best under 25, it's the best players who are still in the oven and aren't ready for primetime yet.

After the first couple names, I feel that it's a large undefined mass that still has a lot to prove.

1. Milton Williams.  He's a huge physical talent who is very raw and lacks a true position.  Yet they threw him in there at LDE and he was immediately able to channel his natural explosion into being disruptive.  When a player can do that...watch out.  His early positive signs help my favorite pick of the 2021 draft to edge above our 2nd round pick.

2.  Landon Dickerson.  Probably the only player on this list who is almost a certainty to become a starter.  The only question is how long it'll last with his injuries.  (Exactly when it happens, where he'll play, and how good he can be are also questions, but they seem to have pretty favorable answers).

3.  Kenneth Gainwell.  I don't see the Eagles giving Sanders a big contract.  Gainwell is precociously comfortable in the passing game and has some good wiggle as a runner too.  I'm sure Howie is considering the possibility of Gainwell either starting or sharing the load in 2023.

4.  Zech Mcphearson.  Up and down preseason, as one might expect for a rookie CB who played a ton of snaps.  He's got some ability to work with here.  He has a chance to play the most snaps out of any player on this list in 2021.

5. Jack Driscoll.  I really liked the draft selection, but wasn't thrilled with his rookie year.  It felt like he got hurt every time he saw extended action and was easily overpowered.  But there is athleticism there.  He's likely to see quite a few snaps this year.

6. Tyree Jackson.  Considered Nasty Nate by some and likened to a poor man's Waller by others.  His injury really threw a wrench into his future and development.  But his specs have been backed up by real flashes on the field too...that's more than you can say for a lot of talented prospects at this point (especially with this franchise).

7.  Nate Herbig.  Meh.  Some talk about him developing into a starter.  I see an adequate backup.  He just isn't a starting quality athlete, even for interior OL.  He's a guy you try to hide if he's starting.  Limited upside, but he figures to get snaps at some point.

Not quite worth ranking:

Patrick Johnson/Jacoby Stevens/Davion Taylor/Shaun Bradley....meh.  Maybe one of them emerges as a fit at LB.  Not quite enough here to distinguish or rank.  Bradley and Taylor have the big athleticism but seemingly little idea how to read a play or take a good angle.  Johnson and Stevens are shifting into LB from different parts of the field and bring diverging, but interesting skill sets.  They are projects.  I did like the Stevens draft pick.

Tarron Jackson.  Is he going to make the team at an always-crowded DE position?

Marlon Tuipoluto.  Did not impress in the preseason.  Does he make the team?

Huntley.  After some hype about his ability in space and return talent, does he make the team with his injury?

Jack Stoll.  I bet he's going to make the roster as a try-hard ST contributor and a depth TE. 

K'von Wallace.  They didn't trust him on D last year, in a lost year...and I don't think that's about to change with the new DC in 2021.

 

 

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Theyll win some game they have no business winning. They did that last year against the Saints. Hill started and the Saints were on their third road game in 3 weeks and looked sluggish to start the game. Something like that is gonna happen. 

And they'll likely lose games they shouldn't.  That secondary looks like tissue paper for a legit QB to just carve up late if needed to win late.

6 minutes ago, justrelax said:

I commented earlier about Dillard's set being deeper. Look at these two shots. Sorry about the darker screen. In the first shot, note his quickness. The ball was placed at the 24. He's made his drop while everyone else is barely off the ball, if they're off at all.

He's made his full set at the 20. By contrast, Driscoll is a full two yards further upfield at the 22.

 Clearly, Stoutland has modified Dillard's set, just as earlier he modified Seumalo's. One size does not fit all and it just goes to show what a great coach Stoutland is. A couple of things about this deeper set. First off, if the timing is sluggish, the DE will get into Dillard while he is still moving backwards and Dillard will have no leverage. The result? He gets trucked. That's the bad. But second, if he gets into his set timely, he can drop his hips and drive his punch. Time and again in the first half he did this, jolting the DE and then resetting, ready to jolt the DE again.

I think all those reports of him getting trucked in practice were part of the growing pains and developing this technique. I could be wrong, of course, but that's the way it looks to me. Dillard is extremely quick, as Stout has commented on several times.  Because of this quickness, he can modify his set, and he has.

I still think Dillard has a chance to be salvaged, but it's concerning how horrible the media has portrayed him to be.

Dov is wrong on the Dolphins having two firsts in the 2022 draft but the second tweet is interesting as the Texans don’t want him tua 

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

I still think Dillard has a chance to be salvaged, but it's concerning how horrible the media has portrayed him to be.

Meh... They also hailed Joe Ostman for year after year after year.  What do they really know?

3 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

You seem to have a problem with this? It concerns me that you are asking these kinds of silly questions. 

No problem with it, just pointing out how dumb they are 

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

And they'll likely lose games they shouldn't.  That secondary looks like tissue paper for a legit QB to just carve up late if needed to win late.

They’ll have an injury to the secondary at some point and their depth behind Nelson and slay is atrocious. It’ll cost them. as nice as slay and Nelson as starters sound, slay last year kept leaving games. Maybe it was just circumstance last year but feels like aging corner that could be an issue starting. 

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

Meh... They also hailed Joe Ostman for year after year after year.  What do they really know?

When it comes to line play, nothing at all. 

20 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

The fact Howard did not dress yesterday and was not injured clearly shows he made this team. he also had a better camp then Sanders. It will be between Scott and Huntley. Huntley was shown as injured yesterday which tells me hes on the outs and if clears waivers he will go on IR. 

Yes and by cutting him and keeping Huntley they could safely get Huntley to the PS protected and re sign Howard a couple days after cuts, both make the roster.

No one is going to sign Howard, where as another team may want to sign Huntley so why not just cut Howard then when rosters are more settled re sign Howard and drop Huntley down to PS as a protected player designation?

Scott's not getting cut nor was ever in danger if being cut in my opinion, reports have been that the coaches really like him and he's looked good in practice and he's looked good in the limited touches he's had in pre season.

The smart thing to do would be cutting Howard to give Howie more roster flexibility and then re signing Howard a few days later when league rosters are settled and Teams PS are full.

Unless they have no intention of wanting to keep Huntley then just cut him and I'd still cut Howard to give Howie the option of going heavy at another position like say keeping kayode then dropping kayode to PS a few days later when Howard is re signed 

3 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

I thought Dillard looked like crap last night. Just saying. 

Could you expand on that?  Footwork? Punch?  I did see him on the ground once but that was when he lost his footing dodging the defender he put on the ground. Twice, I saw him set as JR explained above and punch the DE to the point the DE took a step back.  I thought he looked agile in the running game.  Both he and Driscoll did well pulling. 

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

And they'll likely lose games they shouldn't.  That secondary looks like tissue paper for a legit QB to just carve up late if needed to win late.

The corners seem a bit better, starters anyways. Hopefully, we have a defensive coordinator that knows how to cover up a struggling secondary for once

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

No problem with it, just pointing out how dumb they are 

That's our secret, they don't need to know that. 

1 minute ago, justrelax said:

When it comes to line play, nothing at all. 

exactly

Do the Dolphins even have this ammo after trading us their 1st? They should’ve stayed at 12 if this was in the cards.

Just now, BigEFly said:

Could you expand on that?  Footwork? Punch?  I did see him on the ground once but that was when he lost his footing dodging the defender he put on the ground. Twice, I saw him set as JR explained above and punch the DE to the point the DE took a step back.  I thought he looked agile in the running game.  Both he and Driscoll did well pulling. 

Well he had a false start....surprised there aren't tweets from the media demanding he be released because of  it. 

2 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Could you expand on that?  Footwork? Punch?  I did see him on the ground once but that was when he lost his footing dodging the defender he put on the ground. Twice, I saw him set as JR explained above and punch the DE to the point the DE took a step back.  I thought he looked agile in the running game.  Both he and Driscoll did well pulling. 

He overset a ton. Still has no anchor. Not strong in the running game. All be it, this was against 2s and 3s. A good NFL DE would work him so bad.

Lol must be a trade rumor. Thread jumped a bunch of pages

1 minute ago, eaglesflyers#1 said:

Do the Dolphins even have this ammo after trading us their 1st? They should’ve stayed at 12 if this was in the cards.

They have a 1st next year and 2 in 2023

3 minutes ago, eaglesflyers#1 said:

Do the Dolphins even have this ammo after trading us their 1st? They should’ve stayed at 12 if this was in the cards.

The Texans will not get their asking price or anything near it so yes the Phins have enough. 

Just now, DeathByEagle said:

The Texans will not get their asking price or anything near it so yes the Phins have enough. 

So do we

9 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I still think Dillard has a chance to be salvaged, but it's concerning how horrible the media has portrayed him to be.

They said the same thing about Mailata last year while hyping Ostman. 

1 minute ago, Utebird said:

Yes and by cutting him and keeping Huntley they could safely get Huntley to the PS protected and re sign Howard a couple days after cuts both make the roster.

No one is going to sign Howard, where as another team may want to sign Huntley so why not just cut Howard then when rosters are more settled re sign Howard and drop Huntley down to PS as a protected player designation?

Scott's not getting cut nor was ever in danger if being cut in my opinion, reports have been that the coaches really like him and he's looked good in practice and he's looked good in the limited touches he's had in pre season.

The smart thing to do would be cutting Howard to give Howie more roster flexibility and then re signing Howard a few days later when league rosters are settled and Teams PS are full.

Unless they have no intention of wanting to keep Huntley then just cut him and I'd still cut Howard to give Howie the option of going heavy at another position like say keeping kayode then dropping kayode to PS a few days later when Howard is re signed 

It doesn't work the way you're suggesting. You just can't automatically declare a person as a practice squad player. A player has to clear waivers first, and only then can they be signed to the practice squad.

The protected player designation you're referring to is the other direction. That involves moving a player UP to the active roster for game day. In that case he gets moved back freely afterwards. But that's not the same thing. It still means that the player had to have cleared waivers at some point to have been on the practice squad in the first place.

It's the same thing we kept hearing about three years ago with Mailata. Everyone (there were a few exceptions, me included, Mattwill also) wanted the Eagles to "put Mailata on the practice squad for the year" , not realizing that this was an absolute impossibility (well, almost absolute if you want to go grammar police on me) since he would have to be waived first and he would never have cleared waivers. Another team was bound to claim him, especially since he looked halfway decent in his first couple of preseason games.

I'm not sure that Huntley would be claimed anyway, so there's a chance he ends up on the practice squad. But they can't just declare him as such. There's a protocol.