1 minute ago, UK Eagle said:

The conditions of the Minshew trade say a lot about his role and even what the rest of the league weren't offering for him. He can provide a spark and a cheap backup for 2 years.  Would you rather him or Mullens?

Minshew. He played with a far worse team than the niners, has had some success. Plus even if he walks after 2022 you have some small glimmer of hope you potentially could get a comp pick.  

36 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

you know what makes the whole situation with hurts draft selection more questionable if it was for just being a cheap backup. If the real reason is the eagles took hurts according to some reports (and some on here) was they didn’t want to spend the money on a veteran backup and needed a cheap backup QB over the next couple years. Meanwhile this offseason in a rebuild they signed Flacco to a decent contract and traded away a backend of the draft pick for a cheap backup QB. So i ask they couldn’t have done something similar last year for a cheap backup QB or signing a veteran Qb instead of investing a second rounder in at the time a backup QB. 

There’s also that probability. 

Yep, that's one of the more frustrating things.  They gave us all that talk about how hard it is to find a cheap backup and that's why Hurts was so attractive only to come back the next season and sign a vet for a relatively cheap deal and a borderline starter for a 5th/6th round pick.  

Always the smartest in the room....always. 

I'd argue that the Eagles would win the same amount of games if Minshew started instead of Hurts.  

2 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

The conditions of the Minshew trade say a lot about his role and even what the rest of the league weren't offering for him. He can provide a spark and a cheap backup for 2 years.  Would you rather him or Mullens?

Mullens should never again pick up a football

We did it!!!

 

Give Minshew some credit. 37-11 TD-int is pretty nice. Did it with the Jaguars too.

29 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I'm not against it but I was hoping we'd just keep 2 QBs instead of 3 this time

This too...then again, this year I'm having a hard time finding 53 guys I want to keep.  Usually there's a lot of chess going on trying to figure out which positions to go light on and who's going to be a tough cut.

For me, If they want to cut JJAW, Hightower, Fulgham, Rodgers, Stevens, Jackson, Ridgeway, Bradley, Taylor, James, Wallace, Adams, Jaquette or any of the other non-starters so be it.  Bring someone else in from another team. 

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Minshew. He played with a far worse team than the niners, has had some success. Plus even if he walks after 2022 you have some small glimmer of hope you potentially could get a comp pick.  

Yup. In an ideal world, he'll be holding a clipboard all season, but if he isn't, there is something more to be had at the end of the contract one way or another. Saves the team from potentially using a 2nd round pick next year on a backup too 😉

14 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Eagles are 3-4 in their last 7 v Falcons

 

You're reaching back to the start of last decade to get 3 of those losses.  In the last 4 games dating back to since 2016 the Falcons are 1-3 against the Eagles.  As previously mentioned the Falcons have scored an average of 15 points across those 4 games.  They lost to the Falcons 24-20 in a game where the Eagles top WRs and Geodert just all suddenly weren't available at the start of the game or after the first series.  And they still should have won if not for Agholor dropping that hit his hands as he had a clear runway to the endzone.  

 

I know you passionately hate Hurts, but let's not distort reality.  The Falcons are not a good football team, they just lost one of the greatest WRs to ever play the game who has been essential to Ryan for the bulk of his career and their defense is putrid.   This isn't Aaron Rodgers we are going against who always seems to have his way against our defense.  This is Matt Ryan who is without Julio and one of the worst defenses in the NFL.  

27 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Starter, eventually 

 

6 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

That's perfect.  Man I hate Howie's face.

16 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

How could they not photoshop Hurts face in there

I know this has probably been clarified a million times already but what is the comp pick value based on again? League wide relative salary or relative salary compared to other players at the same position?

3 hours ago, eagle45 said:

So the only inter-franchise variability and therefore financial incentive to be competitive is home ticket sales/concessions and local sponsorships.

I can't imagine there is THAT much variation in stadium revenue.  Attendance range of 45,000-70,000 with average ticket prices $110-$150 for 8-10 home games per year.  That isn't that many millions in difference.  Add in concessions of course.  Then multiply that difference by 60% since the rest is shared.  

So that really leaves the difference between the Cowboys and the Jaguars as corporate sponsorships, I would assume.  

National revenue, which is shared across all 32 teams, consists of:

• TV deals with the various networks
• NFL Ventures:
  • Merchandising; Fanatics is the lead NFL partner on this
• NFL Enterprise:
  • NFL Network, NFL.com and NFL Sunday Ticket
  • Licensing deals, such as "official sponsors of the NFL”
  • Ticket sales (40% of gross)

Local revenue, which goes to the local team, consists of:

• Ticket sales (60% of gross)
• Concessions and parking, which are split between the team and stadium ownership
• Corporate sponsorships with the local team

7 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

How could they not photoshop Hurts face in there

 

Hurts isn't Wentz.  Wentz merely adopted having to deal with a lack of organizational commitment and thus having to deal with replacements.  Hurts was born in it, molded by it.  Got pulled in the National title game as a sophmore, comes back and stays the next season as Junior as the backup and comes in during the SEC Championship game and pulls off the comeback win.   Gets drafted to an organization with a franchise QB freshly on a new deal.  Hasn't gotten any commitment here even to be named the starter this season.  Hurts wouldn't be weak to have that face in the meme.  Everyday the rent is due.  Everyday Hurts is in competition with the world.  

 

4 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

I know this has probably been clarified a million times already but what is the comp pick value based on again? League wide relative salary or relative salary compared to other players at the same position?

 

Players you lost in FA and how big of contracts they signed which then gets offset by the players from previously other teams that you go and sign depending on the contracts they sign.  No one knows the exact formula but seems like there is a formula out there that comes close enough for people out there to track it all correctly most of the time.   

4 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

Players you lost in FA and how big of contracts they signed which then gets offset by the players from previously other teams that you go and sign depending on the contracts they sign.  

Right that much I know, but is it salary relative to other players at the same position or just in general? Asking because good backup QBs can make a lot of money compared to TEs, OGs, LBs etc

1 hour ago, Mike030270 said:

I'm not against it but I was hoping we'd just keep 2 QBs instead of 3 this time

Yeah, I'm kinda in that boat too. I was hoping to have 51 other roster spots to fill rather than only 50. It can be the difference in having or not having a guy like Casey Toohill on your roster somewhere. But that's probably just a minor inconvenience that probably won't matter that much. 

Good news jake elliott didn’t miss a kick the entire preseason! 

Gardner Minshew > 53rd player on the roster (who you can probably still PS)

4 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

Right that much I know, but is it salary relative to other players at the same position or just in general? Asking because good backup QBs can make a lot of money compared to TEs, OGs, LBs etc

Just in general, it’s not position specific 

6 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

Right that much I know, but is it salary relative to other players at the same position or just in general? Asking because good backup QBs can make a lot of money compared to TEs, OGs, LBs etc

All players. Not position specific.

Even Jackson is playing some today for Ravens

6 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

Yeah, I'm kinda in that boat too. I was hoping to have 51 other roster spots to fill rather than only 50. It can be the difference in having or not having a guy like Casey Toohill on your roster somewhere. But that's probably just a minor inconvenience that probably won't matter that much. 

The changes like the expansion of the PS and being able to block 4 players from being traded from it makes things a bit easier in this regard.

As much as we may like Hurts the position isn't a lock. Minshew has shown promise already in the league and is worth competing for the future, if not the backup position.

17 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Hurts isn't Wentz.  Wentz merely adopted having to deal with a lack of organizational commitment and thus having to deal with replacements.  Hurts was born in it, molded by it.  Got pulled in the National title game as a sophmore, comes back and stays the next season as Junior as the backup and comes in during the SEC Championship game and pulls off the comeback win.   Gets drafted to an organization with a franchise QB freshly on a new deal.  Hasn't gotten any commitment here even to be named the starter this season.  Hurts wouldn't be weak to have that face in the meme.  Everyday the rent is due.  Everyday Hurts is in competition with the world.  

 

 

Players you lost in FA and how big of contracts they signed which then gets offset by the players from previously other teams that you go and sign depending on the contracts they sign.  No one knows the exact formula but seems like there is a formula out there that comes close enough for people out there to track it all correctly most of the time.   

I could say the same thing about Nick Mullens.

This is a poetic of saying that Hurts has never been good enough for someone to commit to him.  

17 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

Hurts wouldn't be weak to have that face in the meme.  Everyday the rent is due.  Everyday Hurts is in competition with the world.  

Hurts isn't going to date you.

JK Dobbins down