Alright... if no Watson then Spencer Rattler 2022 it is.

13 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

Alright... if no Watson then Spencer Rattler 2022 it is.

I actually like the cincy QB ridder. I’m interested to see how he does this year. 

Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

No

It'll be a yes for Howie, he loves him some Lincoln Riley and OU.

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I actually like the cincy QB riddler. I’m interested to see how he does this year. 

Ridder 

5 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

Ridder 

My bad ridder. Phone keeps changing it to riddler like from Batman 

50 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

If Lurie wasn’t a woke meddling spazz, his eyes would be opened to the following:  

-Watson doesn’t want to come here.  

-Wentz wanted to leave.  

-Howie is the least trusted GM in the league, in the eyes of the agents.

-They had to hire the 10th guy they interviewed to be HC.  

- Sudden and steep decline of the team. 
 

But, as it stands.  He’ll give Howie and Sirianni a few years.  He’s the problem.  Not Howie.  Not Doug.  Not Nick.  Not Wentz.  Not Hurts.  Lurie!   And I don’t see him being enlightened enough, in the near future, to change course.  Get used to it guys.  We have become the Jaguars of the NFC.  Unless the fans revolt and stop showing up.  

JFC, IMHO Lurie got us a Super Bowl win and, of course, he wanted to try again and got two  playoff wins.  So yeah, holding the band together was a mistake in retrospect but, of course, you knew better and you told us so.  Take a victory lap.  (Sarcasm intended). Childish. No one wanted to try and repeat. Thank the football gods that Jeffery dropped that pass in New Orleans or we would never have seen how awful Lurie is. (Yeah, sarcasm and hyperbole again.)

Lurie is too loyal to Howie, in my opinion, but his level of success since he became owner is on record. Think Jerry wouldn’t want to trade records since 1999?  Yeah, it is all the "woke meddling spazz’s” (your immature characterization not mine) fault that the Eagles have been so successful going to the playoffs for the majority of his years as an owner and finally winning a Super Bowl in 2017.   Damn him. Burn him at the stake.  (Sarcasm warning).

JFC, he did his due diligence and interviewed 10 coach candidates and did not hire the first.  Everyone knows you hire the first candidate you interview, every successful manager/executive knows that. (Sarcasm intended for those that don’t get it). How in the world could he have hired one of the most respected up and coming coaches instead of a retread?  What was he thinking?:(Yep, sarcasm again).

No team having been consistently winning and getting to the playoffs and a ring doesn’t take a step back.  Never happens except because of Lurie (sarcasm again).  

Lurie isn’t perfect and we are probably going to face some lean years.  But per you it is "Not Howie” that put the Eagles where they are, it’s "Lurie!”   So let’s keep Howie as he has no role in the current situation, if I understand you correctly.  Just need Lurie to go.  
 

23 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

JFC, IMHO Lurie got us a Super Bowl win and, of course, he wanted to try again and got two  playoff wins.  So yeah, holding the band together was a mistake in retrospect but, of course, you knew better and you told us so.  Take a victory lap.  (Sarcasm intended). Childish. No one wanted to try and repeat. Thank the football gods that Jeffery dropped that pass in New Orleans or we would never have seen how awful Lurie is. (Yeah, sarcasm and hyperbole again.)

Lurie is too loyal to Howie, in my opinion, but his level of success since he became owner is on record. Think Jerry wouldn’t want to trade records since 1999?  Yeah, it is all the "woke meddling spazz’s” (your immature characterization not mine) fault that the Eagles have been so successful going to the playoffs for the majority of his years as an owner and finally winning a Super Bowl in 2017.   Damn him. Burn him at the stake.  (Sarcasm warning).

JFC, he did his due diligence and interviewed 10 coach candidates and did not hire the first.  Everyone knows you hire the first candidate you interview, every successful manager/executive knows that. (Sarcasm intended for those that don’t get it). How in the world could he have hired one of the most respected up and coming coaches instead of a retread?  What was he thinking?:(Yep, sarcasm again).

No team having been consistently winning and getting to the playoffs and a ring doesn’t take a step back.  Never happens except because of Lurie (sarcasm again).  

Lurie isn’t perfect and we are probably going to face some lean years.  But per you it is "Not Howie” that put the Eagles where they are, it’s "Lurie!”   So let’s keep Howie as he has no role in the current situation, if I understand you correctly.  Just need Lurie to go.  
 

We’re only tied for the 6th best record in the league from 2000-2020. That’s crap. 

The Ravens setting a preseason win streak record the same day they potentially lose their starting RB for the season does help Sirianni/Howie/Roseman's case when it comes to largely benching their starters this preseason. 

4 hours ago, WentzFan11 said:

We’re only tied for the 6th best record in the league from 2000-2020. That’s crap. 

they were 12th from 2011-present (10 seasons and entire most recent decade of football) that includes the super bowl year. Which would be slightly above average. after this year they likely will fall back even further cause there’s some teams close to passing them. Without the super bowl year, the eagles with how they looked for the other 9 seasons of the decade were potentially staring at bottom half of the league in win percentage. The 6 seasons to start the decade prior super bowl year (from 2011-2016) they were 46-50 which would be 19th in the league (the entire decade with the super bowl year 81-78-1 and without 68-75-1. So with the super bowl they averaged 8.1 wins per season and without they were at 7.5). Since that super bowl year they are 20th (22-25-1). I think super bowl victory really allows fans to overlook a lot of the past decade of eagles football. Since they fired chip and went with the new regime they rank 13th in win percentage and that includes a SB season. That particular SB year they were great but i think it definitely allows fans to overlook a pretty mediocre rest of the decade  

don’t get me wrong love the super bowl and appreciate it forever and rest of my life. But 2017 covers up for a lot of a decade where the eagles prior to the SB were 19th and since 20th (even without 2020 (2018&2019) they were tied for 11th with 4 other teams) in win percentage 

This isn’t me saying it’s all on lurie. It clearly isn’t. Takes a village. just pointing out there was a big drop off from 102 victories (2001-2010) to 81 (2011-20) and without that SB win, the past decade would have looked much bleaker. 

10 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

The Ravens setting a preseason win streak record the same day they potentially lose their starting RB for the season does help Sirianni/Howie/Roseman's case when it comes to largely benching their starters this preseason. 

Meh. Mahomes, Jackson, Allen and Brady all played. So did many other starters and key backups. 

4 hours ago, eagle45 said:

I think I’d prefer Hurts to the guy you are referring to.  

Who do you think I’m referring to? 

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

Who do you think I’m referring to? 

I’m guessing he thinks the kid from liberty malik Willis 

2 hours ago, WentzFan11 said:

We’re only tied for the 6th best record in the league from 2000-2020. That’s crap. 

Sixth in the league puts them in the upper quadrant. There's 31 other teams and only five are better? The average team would rank sixteenth. Sixth is pretty damn good, I'd say. 

Got thinking about longest tenured Eagles from Super Bowl winning team, Brent Celek was our longest tenured player that year. Got thinking about all the Eagles quarterbacks he played with. 
He’s caught regular season passes from all of these guys. 
 

Mcnabb, Feeley, Kolb, Vick, Foles, Kafka, Bradford, Sanchez, Barkley, Wentz, Vince Young, Sudfeld. 
 

granted Feeley & Kafka only ever complete 1 pass to him, and Sudfeld/Barkley only completed 3 passes to him. 
 

Was just interesting to think about Celek’s career & how many different phases of Eagles history he’s been apart of 
 

34 minutes ago, Dwide Schrude said:

Got thinking about longest tenured Eagles from Super Bowl winning team, Brent Celek was our longest tenured player that year. Got thinking about all the Eagles quarterbacks he played with. 
He’s caught regular season passes from all of these guys. 
 

Mcnabb, Feeley, Kolb, Vick, Foles, Kafka, Bradford, Sanchez, Barkley, Wentz, Vince Young, Sudfeld. 
 

granted Feeley & Kafka only ever complete 1 pass to him, and Sudfeld/Barkley only completed 3 passes to him. 
 

Was just interesting to think about Celek’s career & how many different phases of Eagles history he’s been apart of 
 

He was a great player, I remember a game where he had to play tackle and he actually managed to do ok

Anyone else remember this? There is evidently nothing on the internet about it

7 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I would agree but then again I saw the Cardinals give up draft compensation to go get Josh Rosen and the very next off-season move on from him.

Was a different situation. Cards brought in a brand new coaching staff that did not fit what Rosen was. Tua was drafted by the same GM and Coaching staff that is currently in place. Now I did not believe in Tua one bit. For them to admit they were wrong after one season would look really bad. 

Me personally, I think its the Texans just pushing other teams to make a higher bid. I don;t think they push this article out to get the Panthers and Dolphins to up the bid, I think its a unnamed team. Make that team think they are no longer in the race and get them thinking. Could it be the Eagles? Maybe, Maybe not, could be the Broncos as well. At this point no one knows the truth, its all a guessing game. But this is the way of the NFL, its all mind games. 

You have to feel a little for Tua if that trade does happen. I mean he was a rookie last year so he was always going to struggle. I don't think he was terrible though. He just happened to be playing for a good team so his errors were reinforced.

9 hours ago, mihailo said:

This season shall tell us a lot about the future of this team. It is all up in the air at this point in time (as you mentioned) and can go either way. For there to be a chance I think players like Sanders need to be kept, otherwise we are giving in to full rebuild mode now.

Absolutely, this season will tell us a great deal.  But, your glasses are tinted a little greener than mine.  Your inclusion of Edwards and Singleton as potential cornerstone pieces for the future was a bridge too far for me.  Edwards is a JAG.  Singleton is slightly better than a JAG, but at 27, he's already in his prime... he is maxed out as the player he is currently.  And two or three years from now, he won't even be that good.  For comparison purposes, Nigel Bradham fell off the cliff when he hit 30.  Singleton will be right on the precipice of 30 in the time frame you are talking about the Eagles contending again.

And you keep cycling back to Sanders.  NFL teams can't build around a RB anymore, this isn't the 1980s, or even the 1990s.  RBs' shelf lives are just much too short.  4 years is about all you can anticipate from a RB in the NFL, and you have to plan accordingly.  Ezekiel Elliott is a prime example.  Came out of OSU gangbusters.  Led the league in carries, yards and yards per game.  Did the same thing two years later, after missing 6 games his second year.   Slightly lower numbers in Year 4.  His year 5 totals were way down... carries, yards, ypg, and yards per carry.   I wouldn't be surprised to see him sit at or below last year's yards per carry average of 4.0 this season.  That's just the way the NFL is now.

 

I see this team as largely devoid of talent.  I just don't see many players are on the roster to build around.  

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I see this team as largely devoid of talent.  I just don't see many players are on the roster to build around.  

Unfortunately I agree with you at this point. That said I'm somewhat hopeful that players like Smith, Mailata and Hurts can show that they can be players to build a roster around. I'm excited to see what this team can do this year because I don't have high expectations for them.

So Watson won't waive his no trade clause to come here. We are officially a crap show

5 minutes ago, greend said:

So Watson won't waive his no trade clause to come here. We are officially a crap show

Don;t blame him. Coming here right now is just as bad a situation as he had in Houston. He wants a win now situation, a team with a minority coach and GM as he stated before. Give him his wish. 

Honestly if we did trade for him and he accepted, I'd be worried he would pull the same crap here after 2 years and force his way out. So if thats true he wont wave his rights for any team but the Phins/Broncos/Panthers then great. I want a QB who wants to be here. 

 

 

 

 

33 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Absolutely, this season will tell us a great deal.  But, your glasses are tinted a little greener than mine.  Your inclusion of Edwards and Singleton as potential cornerstone pieces for the future was a bridge too far for me.  Edwards is a JAG.  Singleton is slightly better than a JAG, but at 27, he's already in his prime... he is maxed out as the player he is currently.  And two or three years from now, he won't even be that good.  For comparison purposes, Nigel Bradham fell off the cliff when he hit 30.  Singleton will be right on the precipice of 30 in the time frame you are talking about the Eagles contending again.

And you keep cycling back to Sanders.  NFL teams can't build around a RB anymore, this isn't the 1980s, or even the 1990s.  RBs' shelf lives are just much too short.  4 years is about all you can anticipate from a RB in the NFL, and you have to plan accordingly.  Ezekiel Elliott is a prime example.  Came out of OSU gangbusters.  Led the league in carries, yards and yards per game.  Did the same thing two years later, after missing 6 games his second year.   Slightly lower numbers in Year 4.  His year 5 totals were way down... carries, yards, ypg, and yards per carry.   I wouldn't be surprised to see him sit at or below last year's yards per carry average of 4.0 this season.  That's just the way the NFL is now.

 

I see this team as largely devoid of talent.  I just don't see many players are on the roster to build around.  

Agree with the analysis.  Players don't stay productive for long in NFL.  For the team to continue success, a strong pipeline of young players is a must.  A strong personnel department and skill GM are essentials to get talents thru draft, FA and trade.  Howie has been criticized for his handling of talent acquisitions.  Unfortunately, that situation does not seem to be changing in the near future.

2 hours ago, BwianWestbwook said:

He was a great player, I remember a game where he had to play tackle and he actually managed to do ok

Anyone else remember this? There is evidently nothing on the internet about it

I remember

Side note - how sad is it going to be if Howie doesn't get fired and uses all those 1s to draft a QB who busts? I mean, we all expect it, yeah? I sure do.

1 hour ago, DeathByEagle said:

Was a different situation. Cards brought in a brand new coaching staff that did not fit what Rosen was. Tua was drafted by the same GM and Coaching staff that is currently in place. Now I did not believe in Tua one bit. For them to admit they were wrong after one season would look really bad. 

Me personally, I think its the Texans just pushing other teams to make a higher bid. I don;t think they push this article out to get the Panthers and Dolphins to up the bid, I think its a unnamed team. Make that team think they are no longer in the race and get them thinking. Could it be the Eagles? Maybe, Maybe not, could be the Broncos as well. At this point no one knows the truth, its all a guessing game. But this is the way of the NFL, its all mind games. 

Different situations for sure. The cardinals also hired Kingsbury with the idea they were going to move on from Rosen and draft murray. They kept their GM in place. Usually the GM who drafts a QB top ten a year earlier (gives up picks to do so) will try to find a coach who wants to go forward with such QB. The cardinals went out and got kingsbury cause their GM was ready to move on after a year with an awful coaching staff. Don’t often see a team completely move on from a QB they took top 10 a year prior with the same GM in place and even gave up draft picks to do. The giants drafted Daniel jones. Then fired shurmur and hired judge but kept gettleman. They hired a coach that wanted to go forward with jones