2 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

Damn cowboys release Dinucci and Gilbert  at QB position , and Dak being dinged , who is their backup ?

Only one left is Cooper Rush. I think they make a run at Foles.

7 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Howard is a power back. We could use that. We have three other passing down backs on the roster. 

He's a power back who's now slow to the hole.  It was one play, but the 3rd and 1 against the Patriots should have been a shoe in first down.  Hole was there and he was too slow to get there.  For all the JAG talk about Scott (and I agree), he's a better short yardage back than Howard at this point. 

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

Only one left is Cooper Rush. I think they make a run at Foles.

They’ll probably just sign Gilbert to the PS. 

4 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

Damn cowboys release Dinucci and Gilbert  at QB position , and Dak being dinged , who is their backup ?

Trade them Flacco for one of their reserve LB.

1 minute ago, bpac55 said:

He's a power back who's now slow to the hole.  It was one play, but the 3rd and 1 against the Patriots should have been a shoe in first down.  Hole was there and he was too slow to get there.  For all the JAG talk about Scott (and I agree), he's a better short yardage back than Howard at this point. 

Maybe he’s cooked. We already know Freeman is. 

I think Milne is a player

 

Oh wouldn't that be juicy if Foles goes to Dallas after the reports of him refusing a trade back to Philly. 

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

They’ll probably just sign Gilbert to the PS. 

They already cut Rush once and then months later signed him to the PS after Dak broke his ankle. Would be weird if he was the top guy as backup. 

1 minute ago, Original Sin said:

I think Milne is a player

 

All they need is a game managing QB which Fitzpatrick very well could be. His top weapons are really going to be good.

Curtis Samuel

Terry McLaurin

Dyami Brown

Antonio Gibson

Jaret Patterson (sounds like a steal right now)

Logan Thomas

 

1 hour ago, TorontoEagle said:

Yeah those guys are all JAGs. Burgess had a bit of success when he left but that's about it. It's an Eagles message board, and this thread specifically is for the nerdiest fans. Of course we're gonna argue over JAGs, why wouldn't we? 

If the Lewis referenced is Chad Lewis, not a JAG.  And I don't think Greg Lewis was on the roster in 2004, but he was JAG.

 

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

 Big ifs.  Barnett is nothing special at the pro level.  Even healthy.  I hope to see a big heat out of Sweat though. 

Barnett is a decent rotational defense end.  I think it's the deepest position on the team.  I'd admit they don't have any super stars unless Sweat really looks fantastic but they do have 4 above average starters.  

5 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

They already cut Rush once and then months later signed him to the PS after Dak broke his ankle. Would be weird if he was the top guy as backup. 

I’m just going off what some of the beat guys have said. 

 

2 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

All they need is a game managing QB which Fitzpatrick very well could be. His top weapons are really going to be good.

Curtis Samuel

Terry McLaurin

Dyami Brown

Antonio Gibson

Jaret Patterson (sounds like a steal right now)

Logan Thomas

 

They have plenty of talent.  Scott Turner is underwhelming and Fitzpatrick is not exactly a game manager.  He's more like Nick Foles.  He can be hot or cold.  

11 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

All they need is a game managing QB which Fitzpatrick very well could be. His top weapons are really going to be good.

Curtis Samuel

Terry McLaurin

Dyami Brown

Antonio Gibson

Jaret Patterson (sounds like a steal right now)

Logan Thomas

 

I have them as the easy division winner this year, but if Dak is healthy then it will be more challenging, also winning at least one playoff game too. Giants in third and this stinkfest in dead last. 

Speaking of Paterson.  The Redskins cut Peyton Barber to keep him.  I would take Barber over Howard in a heartbeat.

27 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Meh - I think you underrate him.  He's a functional situational RB with some upside to break off a big play.  He's a decent number 3 RB.  I mean he's probably closer to Rex Burkhead but certainly not a downgrade from Wendell Smallwood or even Corey Clement.  It wouldn't surprise me if he put up close to 600 yards receiving in a season but I think that's where he tops out in terms of production.  

That would triple his output from last year.   As far as Corey Clement... Corey was a Core 4 ST player, who fit a role on offense as a nice screen pass receiver.  His rookie year he was a really good role player, as the 3rd/4th RB, but was never cast as the #2, nor should he have been.

 

Ultimately, the biggest issue with Scott is that he can't be a Core 4 ST player, in addition to his offensive input.  As a 3rd RB (which is his place, not as the #2), he needs to be a major contributor on ST.  He isn't a coverage guy, and he's not a returner. (Yes, he was used in that role last year... and was terrible at it.)

The talent pool of this team is very low.  That's why a guy like Boston Scott is being miscast into a role that he's not capable of filling.  Sure, he's a nice guy, a great story and has a similar build to Darren Sproles.  But, he's not Darren Sproles, he's not close to it.  He's not a #2 RB, but was forced into that role, because this team has been so inept when it comes to finding RBs in recent years.  He is not a kick returner, but has been forced into that role due to a lack of a better option.  Yes, he might be the best we have as a #2 RB, and as a KR... which is really a great way of showing how completely devoid of talent this team is.   Same at WR.  The leading receiver in receptions last year should, at best, be a #4 WR.  He's a slot only guy and can't function to create more than about 9 yards per reception.  That's ridiculously low for a WR.  I defy anyone to find a top 3 WR on any other team that has a WR with such a low yard per reception rate.   The leading receiver in yards last year is in great danger of being cut later today.  That speaks to the paucity of talent on this team... which is why this is a team coming off a 4 win season.   Sure, if the OL was better, they might have found a way to get all the way up to 6 or even 8 wins last year - maybe even won the division, as if winning this division last year would be any kind of achievement.

 

Having players like Scott and Ward on the roster isn't a problem, in and of itself.  Forcing players like Scott and Ward into roles that they are ill-equipped to fit.  They are great stories... tiny player that has become a Giant killer.  QB turned WR that scored the winning TD to seal the division title in 2019.  But, being content with players of their caliber in the roles they are currently cast into (forced into) is going to leave the Eagles to waste away in the bottom half of the NFL for an extended period of time.  

21 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

All they need is a game managing QB which Fitzpatrick very well could be. His top weapons are really going to be good.

Curtis Samuel

Terry McLaurin

Dyami Brown

Antonio Gibson

Jaret Patterson (sounds like a steal right now)

Logan Thomas

 

Ryan Fitzpatrick is definitely NOT the right QB for that team.  He's now on his 9th team because he's incapable of holding down a starting job.  He's a little bit like Jameis Winston -- pretty much the opposite of a game manager who will turn the ball over at the worst times.

Ironically, a healthy Alex Smith would have been a perfect fit for them.

31 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

He's a power back who's now slow to the hole.  It was one play, but the 3rd and 1 against the Patriots should have been a shoe in first down.  Hole was there and he was too slow to get there.  For all the JAG talk about Scott (and I agree), he's a better short yardage back than Howard at this point. 

The RB room is Sanders... and then JAGs Scott and Howard (he was a really good player, but RBs have very short shelf-lives), and a hopefully dangerous player in Gainwell.   Frankly, they could cut Scott and Howard, grab two guys off the waiver wire and plug them in and likely not be noticeably worse, and might even be better.   I am not pushing for Scott and Howard to be cut... though I would be fine with dropping Howard and looking to find another big back to kick the tires on.   Howard will still be sitting there if he is needed later.

I can't believe someone wants Devonta Freeman in 2021. He votes for the HOF BTW. It explains a lot.

You guys act like finding LeGarrette Blount was some Herculean task in 2017. Or Jordan Howard in 2019. Either RBs are a dime a dozen or they're not, make up your freaking minds.

Scott was miscast in 2020 because everything Doug did in 2020 was moronic. That's likely not happening this year.

39 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Only one left is Cooper Rush. I think they make a run at Hurts

FYP

8 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

More or less, someone you can either upgrade or at worst, replace without skipping much of a beat while not using substantial resources. 

Not skipping much of a beat replacement, so replaceable with a one year contract player doesn’t fit that description nor an UDFA.  A pick in the first two rounds should yield a starter but certainly not day one as without skipping much of a beat.  The way Howie wastes day two picks, maybe.  But for most of us, I would say that is skipping a beat. Afan would probably tell me I over value mid round picks, say 3-5.  So let’s say that is not skipping much of a beat.  A team has three of those and if you can replace with a six or seven, that wouldn’t be skipping much of a beat. But most late round picks are developmental and most don’t make it at all for long or past the PS. So if Gainwell (a 5th) is slightly better than Scott (a 6th for NO who we poached off the PS), is that replacing a JAG for a JAG?  

See, my definition of a JAG is different.  He is a developmental player that doesn’t or stops developing too soon.  Fulgham may be a JAG, for example.   Pryor is definitely one and Opeta may be.  Toth improved but if he peaks here, he will be one.  

But let’s look at Watkins and Ward a bit.  Ward came in as a QB.  But at 5’11” and 185, he wasn’t going to play QB in the NFL, so he converted.  His first camp, it looked like it and he was cut.  Next year he went to the AAF.  He worked with Keith Williams (who now has an NFL gig).  He improved on running routes and you could tell he worked on his hands.  Came to camp and made the PS.  Kept working and when almost all the Eagles WRs got hurt got called up.  He still wasn’t quite there.  Blew a route.  But you could see the improvement from the year before. Davis remained the king of the rounded route or as Sirianni and now i call it, the banana route.  Davis believed too much in his athleticism and didn’t work.  Burnett still thought he was an outside receiver.  He wasn’t. Ward continued to hone and they didn’t. Last year, Ward was reliable, which both QBs needed.  This year, he needs to get deeper, keep honing that skill.  In any job, the people that you keep and rely on are the ones that constantly hone their craft.  Might Ward max out below where he might hope to go?  Maybe.  He is at year four and needs to show he is an NFL receiver this year.

Working along side Ward was Watkins.  He came in a basket catcher with a few too many drops.  He had a limited route tree, which happens to too many fast WRs in college because they can blow by people.  Both Watkins and Ward worked on the nuances of route running and I think Watkins also worked on his hands with Ward.  It has shown this summer.  He has had a few drops but he is getting open on multiple types of routes.  Will Watkins take away snaps from Ward?  He is a better athlete so quite possibly. 

Watch Smith on the Jugs and on the tether.  Contorting for catches.  Honing his game.  Probably told his whole life he was too skinny.

Then we have Reagor, Fulgham, and JJAW.  Drafted and thus arrived.  Not honing.  And look at the initial results.  Fulgham has a great October and quits working at the next step up the rung.  Doesn’t work in the NFL.  I call it "believing your clippings”.   I worked with some of the best in my line of profession.  They all had one thing in common.  They kept thinking one slip and I am gone so they honed their craft every day. We rewarded them with harder things to do.  The ones that reached that level and thought they had made it didn’t last long.

So a JAG can be a lesser skilled athlete that peaks early, I guess.   But I will fill the bottom of the roster with teammates that work every day to get a little better over prima donnas that believe their clippings and quit working on their craft.  

24 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

 

Barnett is a decent rotational defense end.  I think it's the deepest position on the team.  I'd admit they don't have any super stars unless Sweat really looks fantastic but they do have 4 above average starters.  

That might be true... and that's a sad statement to make.  Because the DE position isn't one with much future right now.  Graham is at the end.  Kerrigan is at the end.  Barnett is constantly banged up, and Sweat still has yet to be used in a more significant role than situational pass rusher, and still has lingering questions about whether or not his knee will hold up for more snaps.   Milton Williams might be more DT than DE... and then there's the question mark in Tarron Jackson.  Not a lot of things to be excited for in 2022 and beyond at this point.  Seems deep for now... but really is just thin ice.

32 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

If the Lewis referenced is Chad Lewis, not a JAG.  And I don't think Greg Lewis was on the roster in 2004, but he was JAG.

Yes I assumed Greg. Chad, definitely not a JAG.