9 hours ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

I'm am completely out of it today lol. I was ready to reply to this and ask where you got 6'6" from Embiid is 7'1"  lol

  Yes the incredibly shrinking Embid.  

We were talking about Dickerson. Dickerson is being used initially as a C.  B55 pondered about a C that tall, and I agreed that was a good point.  Maybe not spoken but understood was a tall C has to be concerned with bend and with DTs getting under their pads and putting them on roller skates.  Now I have you visioning Embid in Xanadu.

pats released cam newton...in case anyone cares. 

2 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

See, my definition of a JAG is different.  He is a developmental player that doesn’t or stops developing too soon.  Fulgham may be a JAG, for example.   

I disagree with your definition of JAG.  The definition of a JAG is a guy that you could scour the waiver wire and be more likely than not to find an equal to.  A guy you can lose to injury and the guy who comes in to replace him likely doesn't show a significant drop off.  This is a guy that can fill a role for a period of time, but the team should be looking to upgrade from, not settle on.  Granted the calculus involves the investment needed to upgrade the position, and weighed against the need to upgrade other positions as well. 

Fulgham isn't a JAG.  Fulgham at this point is a disappointment.  He's fallen from JAG status to a likely cut... and that's an issue for a team that's desperate for WR talent.  Ward is a JAG, because he's not special in anyway, but when you compare him to the dreck we've seen at the position in recent years, his 'JAGness' stands as an upgrade.  But, in no way should he be looked at as a long term solution to that position, but rather again someone that the team should be seeking desperately to replace with an upgrade.

 

Being a JAG isn't necessarily a bad thing, and all teams have them.  They are necessary.  But, for a JAG to be truly useful, they need to be more utilitarian... Jason Avant was never a great WR, even for a slot WR.  He had very good hands, great route runner and useful for converting first downs, much the way that some try to portray Greg Ward's value to the team.  However, he was more dangerous as a WR, with a significantly higher yard per reception average, and played as a Core 4 ST guy.  Ward still doesn't, and is actually a liability as a punt returner.  Ward doesn't equate to Jason Avant status.  Avant was a JAG WR and key ST contributor.  If Ward became Avant, I'd not worry about him so much.  But, he's not even close.

Did not see that coming

 

 

43 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

If the Lewis referenced is Chad Lewis, not a JAG.  And I don't think Greg Lewis was on the roster in 2004, but he was JAG.

G Lewis was undrafted in 2003 and caught a TD in 2004 SB.

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

 Scam Newton.  Hahahaha. Dallas bound? 

That was my first thought as well

3 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Why?   I haven't heard or seen anything about him doing anything either in practice, nor remember his name being called once in a game.  Why bring back a retread rather than widening your search and checking out some other teams' cast offs, rather than our own.

Because with a 16 man roster, some practice players are just that.   Of course, if someone better is cut and available, sign them. You and I both think the PS will be churned all year.  Some will be players that might develop, I would hope 2//3rds of the PS but some are for practice positions.   From what the beats said, it almost sounded like Patton had a better camp than Fulgham. 

 

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

Would definitely claim him. 

Why?  What’s his upside?  Kind of light.  As our #5 CB?  

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

No. 

Agree

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

Howard is a power back. We could use that. We have three other passing down backs on the roster. 

Howard fails as a power back in short yardage.  More of a one step back.  

13 minutes ago, Nivraga said:

G Lewis was undrafted in 2003 and caught a TD in 2004 SB.

I stand corrected.  That's right, the first WR in Eagles' history with a TD reception.

8 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Why?  What’s his upside?  Kind of light.  As our #5 CB?  

He's probably better than Avonte Maddox, so he'd start right away.

The Jets should take him TBH. 

14 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Because with a 16 man roster, some practice players are just that.   Of course, if someone better is cut and available, sign them. You and I both think the PS will be churned all year.  Some will be players that might develop, I would hope 2//3rds of the PS but some are for practice positions.   From what the beats said, it almost sounded like Patton had a better camp than Fulgham. 

I'd rather bring in fresh WRs than a guy we know can't play in the NFL.  I agree with 16 slots available, they can be more liberal in the PS usage, but I think the goal should be to find talent more than just having guys to use on scout team.

 

 

19 minutes ago, downundermike said:

 

Will any of these guys be any good at the NFL level?  Remains to be seen.  Jones looked like he was in rhythm though this past weekend; Belichick immediately made the right choice at QB.

27 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

 Scam Newton.  Hahahaha. Dallas bound? 

QB. Factory. 

Cowpukes did just release DiNucci....Scam would fit in perfectly.

50 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

The RB room is Sanders... and then JAGs Scott and Howard (he was a really good player, but RBs have very short shelf-lives), and a hopefully dangerous player in Gainwell.   Frankly, they could cut Scott and Howard, grab two guys off the waiver wire and plug them in and likely not be noticeably worse, and might even be better.   I am not pushing for Scott and Howard to be cut... though I would be fine with dropping Howard and looking to find another big back to kick the tires on.   Howard will still be sitting there if he is needed later.

My thoughts exactly. 

28 minutes ago, downundermike said:

 

Ahhhh now THAT's a good tweet.

25 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Why?  What’s his upside?  Kind of light.  As our #5 CB?  

He might be our third best CB. 

I guess Cam not being vaccinated and knuckle head, and Mac Jones not ishing the bed led to that.

I wonder if the kid that got chippy with him earlier in the year has hit him up on the socials yet?

Oh man....how soon before Bill and the Pats get that backlash.  You know it's coming.

27 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I disagree with your definition of JAG.  The definition of a JAG is a guy that you could scour the waiver wire and be more likely than not to find an equal to.  A guy you can lose to injury and the guy who comes in to replace him likely doesn't show a significant drop off.  This is a guy that can fill a role for a period of time, but the team should be looking to upgrade from, not settle on.  Granted the calculus involves the investment needed to upgrade the position, and weighed against the need to upgrade other positions as well. 

Fulgham isn't a JAG.  Fulgham at this point is a disappointment.  He's fallen from JAG status to a likely cut... and that's an issue for a team that's desperate for WR talent.  Ward is a JAG, because he's not special in anyway, but when you compare him to the dreck we've seen at the position in recent years, his 'JAGness' stands as an upgrade.  But, in no way should he be looked at as a long term solution to that position, but rather again someone that the team should be seeking desperately to replace with an upgrade.

 

Being a JAG isn't necessarily a bad thing, and all teams have them.  They are necessary.  But, for a JAG to be truly useful, they need to be more utilitarian... Jason Avant was never a great WR, even for a slot WR.  He had very good hands, great route runner and useful for converting first downs, much the way that some try to portray Greg Ward's value to the team.  However, he was more dangerous as a WR, with a significantly higher yard per reception average, and played as a Core 4 ST guy.  Ward still doesn't, and is actually a liability as a punt returner.  Ward doesn't equate to Jason Avant status.  Avant was a JAG WR and key ST contributor.  If Ward became Avant, I'd not worry about him so much.  But, he's not even close.

Noted.  LeanMean said upgraded with minimal cost, you are replace from the waiver  wire with equal talent.  Nicer than a player that plateaued short of the line and no longer developing, my description.  Basically a player that can be upgraded at some point but can have value to a team may fit better.  JAG is basically in the eye of the beholder.  I agree on roles.  Scott is not a starting RB.  Ward should not be a starting WR.  But both have a function on the team until something better comes along.