1 hour ago, Devaster said:

I agree with you. However, I also do think Wentz had some confidence issues. That was due entirely to the organization's handling of the QB position though. They brought Foles in and that created a divide amongst the fans (to be fair though Eagles fans love backup QB's). Especially when Foles completed the 2017 season and won the SB. That was a hit to Wentz's confidence. And then drafting Hurts in the 2nd round. Howie's QB factory comments are rubbish. The Patriots didn't draft their 2nd round heir apparent until they thought Brady was near the end. Not in the 5th or 6th season of their starting QB. All of that had to impact Wentz's confidence in the organization and his role with the team long-term. And he was smart to ask to be traded.

I'm calling BS on this rewriting of history.   There was no divide amongst the fans when Foles was brought in as a backup prior to the 2017 season.  He didn't even get on the field for a single PS game due to his shoulder injury. 

16 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I'm calling BS on this rewriting of history.   There was no divide amongst the fans when Foles was brought in as a backup prior to the 2017 season.  He didn't even get on the field for a single PS game due to his shoulder injury. 

He definitely divided the fanbase. Foles wasn't going to see the field and we all knew that, but that didn't stop the fans from pushing for Foles to play due to Wentz's injury history. But perhaps we should just apply that to any backup Eagles QB, because they all get an unhealthy amount of love from the fanbase. Kolb, Feely, Garcia, Foles, etc.

It is my own opinion, but I think bringing Foles in was a hit to Wentz's confidence. And Wentz is at fault for not having the confidence in himself either. But bringing in Foles with a young QB like Wentz was very polarizing at the time.

3 minutes ago, Devaster said:

He definitely divided the fanbase. Foles wasn't going to see the field and we all knew that, but that didn't stop the fans from pushing for Foles to play due to Wentz's injury history. But perhaps we should just apply that to any backup Eagles QB, because they all get an unhealthy amount of love from the fanbase. Kolb, Feely, Garcia, Foles, etc.

It is my own opinion, but I think bringing Foles in was a hit to Wentz's confidence. And Wentz is at fault for not having the confidence in himself either. But bringing in Foles with a young QB like Wentz was very polarizing at the time.

Nope.  Your timeline is all off.  Before the 2017 season, there was no injury history for Wentz (in the NFL - he hadn't missed a game)... and the start he got off to no one was thinking about Foles...  this is 100% a rewriting of history.  None of what you are suggesting happened until AFTER the Super Bowl.  In fact, many were lamenting the lost season because of Wentz' injury and needing to rely on the streaky Foles.  

3 minutes ago, Devaster said:

He definitely divided the fanbase. Foles wasn't going to see the field and we all knew that, but that didn't stop the fans from pushing for Foles to play due to Wentz's injury history. But perhaps we should just apply that to any backup Eagles QB, because they all get an unhealthy amount of love from the fanbase. Kolb, Feely, Garcia, Foles, etc.

It is my own opinion, but I think bringing Foles in was a hit to Wentz's confidence. And Wentz is at fault for not having the confidence in himself either. But bringing in Foles with a young QB like Wentz was very polarizing at the time.

Yeah I kind of disagree with this bud. When Foles was brought in he was pretty much a player trying to rebuild his position and he never had success outside of Philly at that point. Carson was in his second year and was clearly entrenched as the franchise quarterback. Heck the year before they had three quarterbacks in Bradford, Wentz, and Chase Daniel who they gave a lot of money to. Wentz wasn’t even going to start until Bridgewater got hurt and the rest is history. Foles would hardly have seen the field if Wentz didn’t get injured himself. 

9 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Nope.  Your timeline is all off.  Before the 2017 season, there was no injury history for Wentz (in the NFL - he hadn't missed a game)... and the start he got off to no one was thinking about Foles...  this is 100% a rewriting of history.  None of what you are suggesting happened until AFTER the Super Bowl.  In fact, many were lamenting the lost season because of Wentz' injury and needing to rely on the streaky Foles.  

I’m pretty sure most of the fan base (not me) were pretty happy the Eagles traded away Nick Foles for Sam Bradford so it’s not like Foles coming back was much of a threat at all. He just seemed like a really good backup. 

13 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Yeah I kind of disagree with this bud. When Foles was brought in he was pretty much a player trying to rebuild his position and he never had success outside of Philly at that point. Carson was in his second year and was clearly entrenched as the franchise quarterback. Heck the year before they had three quarterbacks in Bradford, Wentz, and Chase Daniel who they gave a lot of money to. Wentz wasn’t even going to start until Bridgewater got hurt and the rest is history. Foles would hardly have seen the field if Wentz didn’t get injured himself. 

Foles has never had success as a starter outside of Philly.   The closest thing he had to success was a game and a half stretch in KC where he filled in when Alex Smith was injured.   He finished the first game, and started the next week.  KC won both... and then Foles went back to the bench.

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Foles has never had success as a starter outside of Philly.   The closest thing he had to success was a game and a half stretch in KC where he filled in when Alex Smith was injured.   He finished the first game, and started the next week.  KC won both... and then Foles went back to the bench.

Aren’t we basically writing the same thing? 😂

Just now, EazyEaglez said:

Aren’t we basically writing the same thing? 😂

Yes... but you qualified Foles as not having success outside of Philly at that point.  Truth is, he's never had success outside of Philly.  Not with the Rams, not with the Jags, not with the Bears, and not with the Chiefs... though the Chiefs was a good cameo, but it wasn't sustained, so who knows what would have happened there.

 

I love Foles and always will, but he's just a great backup QB. 

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Yes... but you qualified Foles as not having success outside of Philly at that point.  Truth is, he's never had success outside of Philly.  Not with the Rams, not with the Jags, not with the Bears, and not with the Chiefs... though the Chiefs was a good cameo, but it wasn't sustained, so who knows what would have happened there.

 

I love Foles and always will, but he's just a great backup QB. 

Well the point was directed at the timeframe and that’s why referred to that point in his career, and Nick’s performances with the Chiefs was exactly the kind of thing needed out of a backup. Hold the fort for a game or two until the starter comes back. Bringing in Foles just seemed like a smart move at the time, but no one really saw him as a threat to Wentz at that point. Heck people wanted Foles benched for Sudfeld in the playoffs and were begging for Wentz to come back early in 2018 and that was after Foles won the Super Bowl. Foles even being considered as an actual threat to Wentz was never really a thing. 

1 minute ago, EazyEaglez said:

Well the point was directed at the timeframe and that’s why referred to that point in his career, and Nick’s performances with the Chiefs was exactly the kind of thing needed out of a backup. Hold the fort for a game or two until the starter comes back. Bringing in Foles just seemed like a smart move at the time, but no one really saw him as a threat to Wentz at that point. Heck people wanted Foles benched for Sudfeld in the playoffs and were begging for Wentz to come back early in 2018 and that was after Foles won the Super Bowl. Foles even being considered as an actual threat to Wentz was never really a thing. 

It was.   And you are correct about people wanting Foles benched.  He was brutal in that Raiders' game.

12 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

It was.   And you are correct about people wanting Foles benched.  He was brutal in that Raiders' game.

He also threw that pick in the Dallas game before he got sat, and started the Falcons game terribly. Going back years before all this there were a lot of people happy Mark Sanchez replaced Nick Foles when he broke his collarbone. Bottom line is Foles was never considered a real challenge to Wentz, and the only way I think it would have even been considered would have been if Foles went to the Super Bowl in 2018 again. 

44 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

I’m pretty sure most of the fan base (not me) were pretty happy the Eagles traded away Nick Foles for Sam Bradford so it’s not like Foles coming back was much of a threat at all. He just seemed like a really good backup. 

I actually was pissed about that even though I didn't think Foles was the answer. 

26 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

I actually was pissed about that even though I didn't think Foles was the answer. 

I wasn’t sure at that point, but I much moreso wanted to find out as opposed to bringing in Bradford. Especially considering Chip gave up a 2nd round pick in addition. 

1 hour ago, Devaster said:

He definitely divided the fanbase. Foles wasn't going to see the field and we all knew that, but that didn't stop the fans from pushing for Foles to play due to Wentz's injury history. But perhaps we should just apply that to any backup Eagles QB, because they all get an unhealthy amount of love from the fanbase. Kolb, Feely, Garcia, Foles, etc.

It is my own opinion, but I think bringing Foles in was a hit to Wentz's confidence. And Wentz is at fault for not having the confidence in himself either. But bringing in Foles with a young QB like Wentz was very polarizing at the time.

I don't think Wentz ever lost confidence in himself. He was never the type of QB that would do everything perfectly. In 2020, I do believe his trust in the offensive line began wavering. I believe he was missing players that he trusted (even if the fans didn't) in Jeffery (rehabbing) and Agholor (left FA). Ertz missed 5 games and was having an off year after all the uncertainty of his contract and future with the team. I think a lot of that affected his decisions in games. In the end, he had his worst season. But I don't for one minute think he ever questioned his own ability to right the ship. He tried to make things happen and it just didn't. The way he plays the QB position lends itself to stretches of good games as well as bad games. Unfortunately for Wentz, nobody in 2020 picked up the slack offensively. The line eventually got better as the replacements like Mailata and Herbig gained experience and Seumalo returned. But by that time, Wentz had been pulled. With the WRs and TEs struggling all season with injuries, we didn't even have help from the RBs as Sanders led all RBs with drops --- and we're talking easy passes. As Kelce put it --- "It's the whole team."

But I never saw in Wentz a guy that didn't believe in himself. I do agree that after the season, he had no confidence in the Eagles FO. 

1 hour ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

I actually was pissed about that even though I didn't think Foles was the answer. 

Just remembering the time there were plenty of people wanting someone out there other than Foles despite the fact they won more with him than without him. 

https://carsonsnaptracker.com/

Going by the numbers... 61 more snaps are required.  Averaging 67 snaps per game... that means that tomorrow could be the final piece... and then it doesn't matter what happens in Indy.  

 

 

Still pissed at the Eagles for how they've handled this situation going back to 2019... but it is too late for that.  Hopefully this ends with the first rounder.

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

https://carsonsnaptracker.com/

Going by the numbers... 61 more snaps are required.  Averaging 67 snaps per game... that means that tomorrow could be the final piece... and then it doesn't matter what happens in Indy.  

 

 

Still pissed at the Eagles for how they've handled this situation going back to 2019... but it is too late for that.  Hopefully this ends with the first rounder.

I’m not pissed at how the Eagles handled all of this. I’m more concerned about what Howie does with these picks. How has the potential to set the Eagles up for the next decade or he could spiral them down into an abyss. Can’t have anymore Reagor over Jefferson type of picks.

3 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

I’m not pissed at how the Eagles handled all of this. I’m more concerned about what Howie does with these picks. How has the potential to set the Eagles up for the next decade or he could spiral them down into an abyss. Can’t have anymore Reagor over Jefferson type of picks.

And that is a major part about why I am pissed about how the Eagles have handled all this.

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

https://carsonsnaptracker.com/

Going by the numbers... 61 more snaps are required.  Averaging 67 snaps per game... that means that tomorrow could be the final piece... and then it doesn't matter what happens in Indy.  

 

 

Still pissed at the Eagles for how they've handled this situation going back to 2019... but it is too late for that.  Hopefully this ends with the first rounder.

Get those 61 snaps! After Sunday they have a pretty rough 3 games in 3 weeks. 2 L's would be nice

2 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

And that is a major part about why I am pissed about how the Eagles have handled all this.

Howie should’ve been the first one to go!  The only reason why I think he’s survived is because he’s Lurie’s shell and Jeff is making more of these picks and decisions than we truly know. It will be interesting to see how things play out, because I believe Howie’s contract is up in 2022. 

46 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Howie should’ve been the first one to go!  The only reason why I think he’s survived is because he’s Lurie’s shell and Jeff is making more of these picks and decisions than we truly know. It will be interesting to see how things play out, because I believe Howie’s contract is up in 2022. 

Exactly... he crapped the bed all around, but he's the last man standing.  Gross.

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Exactly... he crapped the bed all around, but he's the last man standing.  Gross.

It is what it is. All we can do is hope he gets a clue.

26 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

It is what it is. All we can do is hope he gets a clue.

I'm still hoping he gets canned.

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I'm still hoping he gets canned.

Doesn’t look likely. Best chance you get is maybe after 2022, but then you might find out the real guy behind all these moves was Lurie to begin with. 

9 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

 

 

 

Still pissed at the Eagles for how they've handled this situation going back to 2019... but it is too late for that.  Hopefully this ends with the first rounder.

No need to be pissed, Carson still has the same bad throwing mechanics and foot placements, he wont change, he is set in his ways. He will never win a Superbowl, if we get a 1st and 3rd rounder for him, we done well....

So hoping we use the 3 x 1st rounders on Defense in the coming draft and also have a solid Free Agency.

We can possibly make a deep playoff run with Hurts in 2022,  if not our record will be bad and and we will have a good draft spot in 2023 to take a franchise QB with a strong young team already in place....