41 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Taylor even. I thought Jonathan Allen for some reason. 

I was trying to figure out which Allen you meant.

2 minutes ago, downundermike said:

I was trying to figure out which Allen you meant.

No idea because I meant Jonathan Taylor.

8 minutes ago, downundermike said:

I was trying to figure out which Allen you meant.

Marcus Allen

1 hour ago, It Hurts said:

Yep. Wentz has a bad game and here come the haters. He’s having a pretty good year actually

"Pretty good" is not what I believe the expectations were for Wentz though.

4 minutes ago, Thing3 said:

"Pretty good" is not what I believe the expectations were for Wentz though.

He’s basically a game manager now. Now there’s nothing wrong with having a game manager as your quarterback, but I’m glad the Eagles no longer have to worry about paying nearly 30mil for one.  Of course his defenders are gushing over him still though.

4 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

He’s basically a game manager now. Now there’s nothing wrong with having a game manager as your quarterback, but I’m glad the Eagles no longer have to worry about paying nearly 30mil for one.  Of course his defenders are gushing over him still though.

I don't care what happens to him now, but it isn't like the Eagles are in a better position either. Howie screwed things up with one misstep after another.

-Giving him that massive extension

-Drafting Hurts right after knowing he is sensitive because of what happened with Foles

-Trading him without having a real plan in place

Possibly going for Wilson or Rodgers with their flawed team is another asinine move. The same for trading for Watson with all the baggage that will come with him. I can totally see this happening though because he loves kicking the can down the road.

I'm not sure what Reich can get out of Wentz, but Howie screwed this up massively almost every step along the way.

1 hour ago, Diehardfan said:

I don't care what happens to him now, but it isn't like the Eagles are in a better position either. Howie screwed things up with one misstep after another.

-Giving him that massive extension

-Drafting Hurts right after knowing he is sensitive because of what happened with Foles

-Trading him without having a real plan in place

Possibly going for Wilson or Rodgers with their flawed team is another asinine move. The same for trading for Watson with all the baggage that will come with him. I can totally see this happening though because he loves kicking the can down the road.

I'm not sure what Reich can get out of Wentz, but Howie screwed this up massively almost every step along the way.

I disagree with the idea the Eagles aren’t in a better place, but I agree with the rest of your comments. The Eagles not having to pay a game manager nearly 30 a year is a better position. The Eagles having both cap space and 4 picks within the first two rounds of the 2020 draft is a better position. I hope Howie doesn’t go quarterback hunting and ruin all of the capital and cap space he’s made by getting rid of that game manager though. Wilson will not make the Eagles better. Neither will Rodgers or Watson, because the Eagles have a lot of holes to fill. Also last year at this time Wentz  with his 19mil led us to 3 wins and nowhere. This year with a contract basically around 1.5 mil has led us to 5 wins and in the playoff hunt. Personally I feel that’s better. 

1 hour ago, EazyEaglez said:

I disagree with the idea the Eagles aren’t in a better place, but I agree with the rest of your comments. The Eagles not having to pay a game manager nearly 30 a year is a better position. The Eagles having both cap space and 4 picks within the first two rounds of the 2020 draft is a better position. I hope Howie doesn’t go quarterback hunting and ruin all of the capital and cap space he’s made by getting rid of that game manager though. Wilson will not make the Eagles better. Neither will Rodgers or Watson, because the Eagles have a lot of holes to fill. Also last year at this time Wentz  with his 19mil led us to 3 wins and nowhere. This year with a contract basically around 1.5 mil has led us to 5 wins and in the playoff hunt. Personally I feel that’s better. 

Cap space is meaningless when you aren't in the playoffs in winning championships. Wentz gave us that chance based on evidence from previous seasons (ignore 2020). Diehardfan is correct in that Howie traded Wentz away with no real plan in place. The plan is to hope we get a competent QB in the draft or FA in the future because right now there is no plan and we won't be making the playoffs any time soon. And again the cap space is meaningless if players don't want to come here in FA. Why would Rodgers want to come to this offense and front office? He won't. He also isn't going to want to come to a team that isn't SB-ready. Lots of early draft picks and cap space are a sign of a rebuilding franchise that is not close to making the playoffs. We will be able to overpay to bring FA's here, but those won't be guys looking to win a championship, but rather the biggest payday.

7 hours ago, Devaster said:

Cap space is meaningless when you aren't in the playoffs in winning championships. Wentz gave us that chance based on evidence from previous seasons (ignore 2020). Diehardfan is correct in that Howie traded Wentz away with no real plan in place. The plan is to hope we get a competent QB in the draft or FA in the future because right now there is no plan and we won't be making the playoffs any time soon. And again the cap space is meaningless if players don't want to come here in FA. Why would Rodgers want to come to this offense and front office? He won't. He also isn't going to want to come to a team that isn't SB-ready. Lots of early draft picks and cap space are a sign of a rebuilding franchise that is not close to making the playoffs. We will be able to overpay to bring FA's here, but those won't be guys looking to win a championship, but rather the biggest payday.

The ideal way out is using one of the picks on a young QB who turns out to be a player which still leaves you with draft capital to address other needs

That or Jalen Hurts learns to be an efficient passer. Better happen soon because its been a rollercoaster at best so far. 

19 hours ago, Devaster said:

Cap space is meaningless when you aren't in the playoffs in winning championships. Wentz gave us that chance based on evidence from previous seasons (ignore 2020). Diehardfan is correct in that Howie traded Wentz away with no real plan in place. The plan is to hope we get a competent QB in the draft or FA in the future because right now there is no plan and we won't be making the playoffs any time soon. And again the cap space is meaningless if players don't want to come here in FA. Why would Rodgers want to come to this offense and front office? He won't. He also isn't going to want to come to a team that isn't SB-ready. Lots of early draft picks and cap space are a sign of a rebuilding franchise that is not close to making the playoffs. We will be able to overpay to bring FA's here, but those won't be guys looking to win a championship, but rather the biggest payday.

Carson Wentz never won a playoff game. Your point is meaningless. Also cap space does help a team as the Eagles themselves were able to use their cap space with Wentz under a rookie contract to sign multiple veterans to help them actually win the Super Bowl and that includes Carson’s backup quarterback in 2017. Here’s the bottom line. The Eagles needed Carson Wentz to be an elite quarterback, and he hasn’t been that since he tore his knee up in 2017. He hasn’t led the Eagles to a double digit wins since, BUT they were going to pay him elite quarterback status, but HE’S NOT GOOD ENOUGH TO LEAD THEM ON HIS OWN. What is the point of giving a guy top tier money for 7-9 win seasons? Truth is Carson flaking out bailed Roseman out of that contract. Now at least the Eagle have options. They’re not committed to any quarterback. They can build their roster and if need be pull a Tampa like move and sign their next quarterback if need be. I’d rather be in the Eagles shoes than the Colts paying a guy nearly 30 mil to hand the ball off, because they know they can’t really win with his arm. The Eagles right now can’t really win with their quarterback and his arm either, but there is no real commitment there and he’s basically being paid 1.5mil. 

9 hours ago, kiwieagle said:

The ideal way out is using one of the picks on a young QB who turns out to be a player which still leaves you with draft capital to address other needs

That or Jalen Hurts learns to be an efficient passer. Better happen soon because its been a rollercoaster at best so far. 

Nothing needs to "happen soon” bud. The Eagles are doing this at their pace. Jalen Hurts isn’t some rookie free agent taken off the scraps. They took him in the second round, but I’m pretty sure they didn’t expect him to have to play this soon. Wentz flaked and cried his way out of town. As such he’s learning on the fly instead of being developed they way they wanted to. They also changed their coaching staff. All of their coaches are young guys learning on the job basically. None of this is a rush job. The Eagles have already told you this is a retool/rebuild. Rebuilds don’t happen in less than one season. 

Talk about obsessed 😂

9 hours ago, kiwieagle said:

The ideal way out is using one of the picks on a young QB who turns out to be a player which still leaves you with draft capital to address other needs

That or Jalen Hurts learns to be an efficient passer. Better happen soon because its been a rollercoaster at best so far. 

To be fair this entire season has been a rollercoaster, but it's not just because of Hurts. Our coaching staff is young and inexperienced, and it has shown across the board. offense, defense, and even special teams (just look at poor Reagor out there) has been up and down.  The ideal way out is to build up the defense and to draft more playmakers on offense.  What good is a franchise QB going to be if our defense goes out next season and they still can't stop teams from moving up and down the field at will?

1 minute ago, MF POON said:

To be fair this entire season has been a rollercoaster, but it's not just because of Hurts. Our coaching staff is young and inexperienced, and it has shown across the board. offense, defense, and even special teams (just look at poor Reagor out there) has been up and down.  The ideal way out is to build up the defense and to draft more playmakers on offense.  What good is a franchise QB going to be if our defense goes out next season and they still can't stop teams from moving up and down the field at will?

We now have seen three different quarterbacks basically keep away from Reagor. We see all these people throwing out Metrics showing Hurts not throwing to a certain side. Is it just a coincidence that Reagor happens to be the guy on that side? How can we really know what Hurts is as a quarterback when half of the offense is tied down due to Reagor? Funny most of these Wentz cultist said the Eagles had no weapons last year, and the year before, and ironically the only player improvement has be Smith. Basically Hurts is playing with the same garbage Wentz was playing with, but somehow these people now assume the Eagles have elite talent around him? Truth is this team needs more players who can actually play. They need cap space to sign players as well. Considering everything about this team. It’s lack of true playmakers on offense and defense. The suspect safeties, the defensive line that can’t get to the quarterback, and the average linebackers this season is actually better than it probably should’ve been. People are talking about if Hurts is the quarterback to win the Super Bowl. Utter nonsense, because this team isn’t even close to being capable of contending for one. 

16 minutes ago, It Hurts said:

Talk about obsessed 😂

Yeah I’m obsessed with telling you beanbagged idiots the truth about your god. I’m compassionate that way. 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/eagles-getting-much-more-1st-100301262.html
 

Im sure some of you don’t want the harsh reality that the Eagles are better off right now, but you can read more if you want to. I’ll just leave these small portions of the article. 
 

"Now that it's certain that the Eagles will end up with a first-round pick for Carson Wentz, they can revel in the fact that they are getting much more than that, even though Wentz has played well enough for the Indianapolis Colts.

That's because Wentz isn't much better than the quarterback the Eagles currently have in Jalen Hurts – and that's in the context of not fully knowing whether Hurts is the Eagles' franchise quarterback….”

"It's also in the context that both quarterbacks might become the latest in a trend in the NFL: the placeholder quarterback.

Those are quarterbacks who aren't necessarily the franchise quarterback, but are still good enough to win with for the foreseeable future.

Yet as a placeholder, Hurts is a much better value than Wentz. Hurts is still on his rookie contract, counting only $1.6 million against the salary cap in 2022. That's more than $26 million less than Wentz will count on the Colts' cap in 2022….”

It'll be nice to have that first rounder since we no longer have a quarterback that can actually pass the ball very accurately very often.

23 minutes ago, greend said:

It'll be nice to have that first rounder since we no longer have a quarterback that can actually pass the ball very accurately very often.

Yeah, we haven't had one since Foles. 

2 minutes ago, MF POON said:

Yeah, we haven't had one since Foles. 

What's it matter when we had one? We don't have one right now and that's all that matters.

12 minutes ago, greend said:

What's it matter when we had one? We don't have one right now and that's all that matters.

If the who and when didn't matter, you wouldn't have made the comment to begin with. I like it though, another dig at our current QB while cheering for Wentz. Kudos sir.

30 minutes ago, greend said:

What's it matter when we had one? We don't have one right now and that's all that matters.

Winning is what truly matters. Hurts is actually completing the same percentage as Wentz did in 2017. He’s actually upped his completion percentage 8 points from when he was a rookie. He keeps that up he’s at 68% by year three, but you people will still whine. 

2 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Winning is what truly matters. Hurts is actually completing the same percentage as Wentz did in 2017. He’s actually upped his completion percentage 8 points from when he was a rookie. He keeps that up he’s at 68% by year three, but you people will still whine. 

I think we've successfully debunked the completion percentage being ever so important, and now they've moved on to wins/losses lol. 

10 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Hurts is actually completing the same percentage as Wentz did in 2017.

Wentz also set the Eagles franchise record for passing TD's that year and was on pace for 42 passing TD's

Just now, downundermike said:

Wentz also set the Eagles franchise record for passing TD's that year and was on pace for 42 passing TD's

I don't regret how that season turned out one bit, but part of me wishes we could've seen Wentz finish out that season healthy, in order to know if he was truly the real deal..  Oh well.

9 minutes ago, MF POON said:

I think we've successfully debunked the completion percentage being ever so important, and now they've moved on to wins/losses lol. 

It matters as it contributes to winning.  Completion percentage top 10.  Notice how half of the current playoff teams have a QB in the top 10 in completion percentage.

 

Now lets look at the completion percentages in the Jalen Hurts range, 1 playoff QB.

 

4 minutes ago, downundermike said:

It matters as it contributes to winning.  Completion percentage top 10.  Notice how half of the current playoff teams have a QB in the top 10 in completion percentage.

 

Now lets look at the completion percentages in the Jalen Hurts range, 1 playoff QB.

 

This is a very poor argument, because the #1 QB for completion percentage may not even make the playoffs.  There's also QB's on that list that probably won't make it in (like ATL, SF, LV, etc.). Meanwhile, you have players on the "crap" list that could make it into the playoffs (PHI, CLE, IND). Again, it just negates the importance of the stat.