12 minutes ago, MF POON said:

This is a very poor argument, because the #1 QB for completion percentage may not even make the playoffs.  There's also QB's on that list that probably won't make it in (like ATL, SF, LV, etc.). Meanwhile, you have players on the "crap" list that could make it into the playoffs (PHI, CLE, IND). Again, it just negates the importance of the stat.

ATL and LV are not playoff teams, and were not included in the half the playoff teams have a QB in the top 10 in completion percentage.

IND was the playoff team I included in the crap list.  

4 of the 7 in the top 10 have their playoff spot basically locked, and a Rams win over the Hawks tomorrow makes it 5.  Bengals and 9ers control their own destiny.

 

58 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Wentz also set the Eagles franchise record for passing TD's that year and was on pace for 42 passing TD's

He was also surrounded by a much better team. We saw how things unraveled when he wasn’t around a much better team remember? Or do you all still act like 2020 didn’t happen? 

51 minutes ago, downundermike said:

It matters as it contributes to winning.  Completion percentage top 10.  Notice how half of the current playoff teams have a QB in the top 10 in completion percentage.

 

Now lets look at the completion percentages in the Jalen Hurts range, 1 playoff QB.

 

Hurts lovers don’t like facts. And the fact is without Wentz there is no Super Bowl 

45 minutes ago, MF POON said:

This is a very poor argument, because the #1 QB for completion percentage may not even make the playoffs.  There's also QB's on that list that probably won't make it in (like ATL, SF, LV, etc.). Meanwhile, you have players on the "crap" list that could make it into the playoffs (PHI, CLE, IND). Again, it just negates the importance of the stat.

In 2016 Sam Bradford led the league in competition percentage with 71.6. His team won 7 games and missed the playoffs. Also when Wentz had the highest completion percentage of his career the team went 5-6 with him as their quarterback. 

22 hours ago, Diehardfan said:

I don't care what happens to him now, but it isn't like the Eagles are in a better position either. Howie screwed things up with one misstep after another.

-Giving him that massive extension

-Drafting Hurts right after knowing he is sensitive because of what happened with Foles

-Trading him without having a real plan in place

Possibly going for Wilson or Rodgers with their flawed team is another asinine move. The same for trading for Watson with all the baggage that will come with him. I can totally see this happening though because he loves kicking the can down the road.

I'm not sure what Reich can get out of Wentz, but Howie screwed this up massively almost every step along the way.

Without the contract extension I think the Hurts pick makes more sense. I'm not fully blaming Howie for Wentz being upset about the Hurts pick. I just don't think you should have to coddle a player to the point you're afraid to make moves that you believe help the team. Especially one you have signed to a big contract. Did Howie really have a chance to form an exit plan for Wentz? I think Howie did a decent job getting something for Wentz considering the circumstances. I don't believe it's fair to give all of the blame to Howie. If Wentz would have just manned up the only thing we are debating is if the contract extension was a good move. I also think if Hurts remained the backup to Wentz we could have got some value for him in a trade if/when that move made sense. Howie's "QB factory" comment doesn't sound so silly if that happens. Unfortunately my crystal ball isn't working so we'll never know what could have been.

I'm not a Howie cheerleader by any stretch. Some of his moves have been extremely suspect. I do worry Howie is going to rush to bring in a new QB and ignore some of the other holes we need to fill. I also worry about his marginal, at best, draft record. That shouldn't diminish the fact we have three first round picks this year which is an enviable position to be in. So while one could argue Howie put us where we are today, you also can't ignore that Howie is also responsible for giving us options to get out of it.

7 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

In 2016 Sam Bradford led the league in competition percentage with 71.6. His team won 7 games and missed the playoffs. 

Tua leads this year, irrelevant.  Half of the current playoff teams have a QB in the top 10 in completion percentage.  The 10 closest to Hurts, 1 QB currently in the playoffs, and ironically, it is Carson Wentz.

Just now, downundermike said:

Tua leads this year, irrelevant.  Half of the current playoff teams have a QB in the top 10 in completion percentage.  The 10 closest to Hurts, 1 QB currently in the playoffs, and ironically, it is Carson Wentz.

Yeah game manager Carson is in the playoffs with a better football team and handing the ball to the best back in the game unlike what he had last year. Frankly if Game manager Carson were with the Eagles this year he’d be completing less than 60% of his passes and winning 3 games again just like 2020 and he would be doing it at nearly 30 mil a clip. What happens if Hurts makes the playoffs with a team you god couldn’t win with? Will you show him respect? I doubt it, because winning actually isn’t important to you. Fake Wentz stats are like those 42 touchdowns that didn’t happen 4 years ago, meanwhile you completely ignore what happened last year. 😂

So far it looks like us getting the first round pick for Wentz just made people talk more about him then ever before.

So much for once we get the pick I'm done with him . 

I have no thoughts on Carson.

Colts have one heck of a Running Back though. 

 

 

11 minutes ago, Thing3 said:

Without the contract extension I think the Hurts pick makes more sense. I'm not fully blaming Howie for Wentz being upset about the Hurts pick. I just don't think you should have to coddle a player to the point you're afraid to make moves that you believe help the team. Especially one you have signed to a big contract. Did Howie really have a chance to form an exit plan for Wentz? I think Howie did a decent job getting something for Wentz considering the circumstances. I don't believe it's fair to give all of the blame to Howie. If Wentz would have just manned up the only thing we are debating is if the contract extension was a good move. I also think if Hurts remained the backup to Wentz we could have got some value for him in a trade if/when that move made sense. Howie's "QB factory" comment doesn't sound so silly if that happens. Unfortunately my crystal ball isn't working so we'll never know what could have been.

I'm not a Howie cheerleader by any stretch. Some of his moves have been extremely suspect. I do worry Howie is going to rush to bring in a new QB and ignore some of the other holes we need to fill. I also worry about his marginal, at best, draft record. That shouldn't diminish the fact we have three first round picks this year which is an enviable position to be in. So while one could argue Howie put us where we are today, you also can't ignore that Howie is also responsible for giving us options to get out of it.

Even if Wentz had stuck around the Hurts pick for a backup was still a poor decision for the way this team was constructed. When Hurts would have had to come in for relief or in the case of an injury the entire offense would have had to change.

10 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Frankly if Game manager Carson

Wentz has less interception with 81 more pass attempts.

16 minutes ago, LacesOut said:

I have no thoughts on Carson.

Colts have one heck of a Running Back though. 

 

 

They are running him into the ground this year. He won't be as productive next year

1 minute ago, Devaster said:

Even if Wentz had stuck around the Hurts pick for a backup was still a poor decision for the way this team was constructed. When Hurts would have had to come in for relief or in the case of an injury the entire offense would have had to change.

Fair enough. I said "the Hurtz pick makes more sense". The word "more" is key here because I agree it could still have been a debatable pick depending how things played out. However, Hurts did come in for Wentz at the end of last season and showed some potential. I don't believe the plan was to keep Hurts around long. I still believe the plan was to get some value trading Hurts away and bringing in another backup, hence the "QB factory" comment. Again....my crystal ball isn't working.

1 hour ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

So far it looks like us getting the first round pick for Wentz just made people talk more about him then ever before.

So much for once we get the pick I'm done with him . 

Yeah I’m sure you won’t be bothered if people say Chip was the greatest Eagles coach ever too. 😂🤣😂

1 hour ago, downundermike said:

Wentz has less interception with 81 more pass attempts.

What does that have to do with him being a game manager? Sam Bradford had 20tds and 5picks one year. Does that make him elite?

12 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Yeah I’m sure you won’t be bothered if people say Chip was the greatest Eagles coach ever too. 😂🤣😂

Whatever! 

1 hour ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

They are running him into the ground this year. He won't be as productive next year

Excellent point. I didn't even think of that.

Years of his career might be coming off due to this one season of work.

1 hour ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

They are running him into the ground this year. He won't be as productive next year

usually takes about three years of this type of production to see a big drop, whether it be just slowing down or getting dinged up like henry. but this is why RB's have such a short shelf life in the nfl. 

2 minutes ago, LacesOut said:

Excellent point. I didn't even think of that.

Years of his career might be coming off due to this one season of work.

I forget the exact number, I think it's around 350 carries is the amount that kills running backs. They are never the same after. 

2 hours ago, LacesOut said:

I have no thoughts on Carson.

Colts have one heck of a Running Back though. 

 

 

That is 100% accurate. That guy is amazing

1 hour ago, EazyEaglez said:

What does that have to do with him being a game manager? Sam Bradford had 20tds and 5picks one year. Does that make him elite?

I would take Sam Bradford over Carson Wentz in my all-time "Quarterbacks who totally fleeced Howie" draft. 
Chase Daniel winning honorable mention.

2 hours ago, Thing3 said:

Fair enough. I said "the Hurtz pick makes more sense". The word "more" is key here because I agree it could still have been a debatable pick depending how things played out. However, Hurts did come in for Wentz at the end of last season and showed some potential. I don't believe the plan was to keep Hurts around long. I still believe the plan was to get some value trading Hurts away and bringing in another backup, hence the "QB factory" comment. Again....my crystal ball isn't working.

Picking Hurts in the second rd last year was a waste at the time and it appears even worse now. Consider how much help this team could have used last year along the Oline and WR positions, or DB's and LB's? And remember how in 2019 you had a bunch of old oft injured guys finish the season on IR, who you were once again relying on coming back and staying healthy??? Guys like Peters, Brooks & Alshon? 

That 2nd round pick they wasted on Hurts could have been used in a variety of places to help the team. 

It was a bad pick then, and it looks even more horrible now. We wasted our pick, and now have no QB of the future on the team. 

23 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

Picking Hurts in the second rd last year was a waste at the time and it appears even worse now. 

I wouldn't necessarily say it looks worse now. Wentz was not the answer. He's done ok in Indy but he's not a franchise QB. We got out of that contract (OK albeit the big hit) and we got a first and a third round pick. 

1 hour ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I wouldn't necessarily say it looks worse now. Wentz was not the answer. He's done ok in Indy but he's not a franchise QB. We got out of that contract (OK albeit the big hit) and we got a first and a third round pick. 

Hurts wasn't drafted to come in and start. He was taken high because the Eagles thought he was a promising prospect and they could develop him over time through The Quarterback Factory.  Peyton Manning went 3-13 in his first year and that turned out pretty well so let's see what happens.

And not for nothing?  If you watched last night it has become abundantly clear that Wentz has been reduced to a $35 million dollar a year game manager.  He's this generation's Trent Dilfer. Even with the uncertainty around Hurts, I'd much rather be in the spot the Eagles are in now than when they were locked into a long term deal with Wentz. 

1 hour ago, Hawkeye said:

Hurts wasn't drafted to come in and start. He was taken high because the Eagles thought he was a promising prospect and they could develop him over time through The Quarterback Factory.  Peyton Manning went 3-13 in his first year and that turned out pretty well so let's see what happens.

And not for nothing?  If you watched last night it has become abundantly clear that Wentz has been reduced to a $35 million dollar a year game manager.  He's this generation's Trent Dilfer. Even with the uncertainty around Hurts, I'd much rather be in the spot the Eagles are in now than when they were locked into a long term deal with Wentz. 

I’d rather be in a position to have an extra 1st rd pick in April and that albatross of a contract off the books than have Wentz continuing to suit up here (coming from a guy who was stoked when we drafted him … I mistakenly thought he was going to turn out to be one of the better QBs in the league).