1 hour ago, Hawkeye said:

Hurts wasn't drafted to come in and start. He was taken high because the Eagles thought he was a promising prospect and they could develop him over time through The Quarterback Factory.  Peyton Manning went 3-13 in his first year and that turned out pretty well so let's see what happens.

And not for nothing?  If you watched last night it has become abundantly clear that Wentz has been reduced to a $35 million dollar a year game manager.  He's this generation's Trent Dilfer. Even with the uncertainty around Hurts, I'd much rather be in the spot the Eagles are in now than when they were locked into a long term deal with Wentz. 

Yes after Wentz's abysmal showing in the clutch vs the Titans they have basically taken the ball out of his hands. Same sheet here. Anyway you look at it, it's pretty depressing

7 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Yes after Wentz's abysmal showing in the clutch vs the Titans they have basically taken the ball out of his hands. Same sheet here. Anyway you look at it, it's pretty depressing

The big difference is roughly $28M (give or take) in QB salary between the two.  Knowing that makes it quite a bit easier to accept that.  

2 minutes ago, time2rock said:

The big difference is roughly $28M (give or take) in QB salary between the two.  Knowing that makes it quite a bit easier to accept that.  

True, I'm speaking outside of the money part though. 

Howie is really good at getting out of his own messes I'll give him that lol. 

4 hours ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

I forget the exact number, I think it's around 350 carries is the amount that kills running backs. They are never the same after. 

Henry has disproven that. Injuries eventually catch up with any NFL player. The true number is about age 28 where RB's drop off a cliff. Before that you can run them into the ground every season and they will be fine unless they get injured. Of course more touches increases the chances of an injury.

12 minutes ago, Devaster said:

Henry has disproven that. Injuries eventually catch up with any NFL player. The true number is about age 28 where RB's drop off a cliff. Before that you can run them into the ground every season and they will be fine unless they get injured. Of course more touches increases the chances of an injury.

Henry had 378  carries last year and got injured this year...... How does that disprove it? That would mean not the same after that many carries just like I said. Getting injured would equal not being fine..... 

Raiders winning hurts the draft pick for the Eagles from the Colts.

3 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Henry had 378  carries last year and got injured this year...... How does that disprove it? That would mean not the same after that many carries just like I said. Getting injured would equal not being fine..... 

Nevermind. I was wrong. But he did disprove it from what I remember the last two seasons of production. And he isn't gone for the entire year either. Henry is unique.

Raiders - Colts game in two weeks is likely the difference between the Colts making the playoffs or not.  

 

Need Cardinals to win this week, Raiders to win the next week, because the Jags are last for the Colts.  If the Colts get to 10-7, they make the playoffs.

12 hours ago, MF POON said:

This is a very poor argument, because the #1 QB for completion percentage may not even make the playoffs.  There's also QB's on that list that probably won't make it in (like ATL, SF, LV, etc.). Meanwhile, you have players on the "crap" list that could make it into the playoffs (PHI, CLE, IND). Again, it just negates the importance of the stat.

The thing that jumps out at me as the reason why this stat doesn't matter as much is that from the data posted the difference between 10 and 24 is only 3%. That's only 3 more receptions per 100 throws. If the average amount of throws a QB makes in a season is somewhere around 500 (I looked up total pass attempts last year and saw a couple at 600+, some at 400 and even a couple at 300+) then that's a total of 15 more completions thrown by the quarterback over the course of a season if everyone threw the same amount of passes. Of course they don't and statistics are usually a flawed argument when comparing any player but either way the percentage between 10 and 24 doesn't matter as much as some make it out to be IMO. Hurts is currently at 60% so that's a total of 7 percentage points away from #10 (35 less total completions over the whole season if the numbers stay the same)

Currently the Eagles have a total of 94 first downs rushing which will also grow over the last few games this year. I'm not sure how many Hurts has on his own but I'm willing to guess that it's close enough to nearly make up this difference. Of course I would prefer his completion percentage to be higher but I think that it will if he's given the chance to play more and grow along with the same coaching staff next year. That's the part that I think probably doesn't happen here. 

8 hours ago, Hawkeye said:

And not for nothing?  If you watched last night it has become abundantly clear that Wentz has been reduced to a $35 million dollar a year game manager.  He's this generation's Trent Dilfer. Even with the uncertainty around Hurts, I'd much rather be in the spot the Eagles are in now than when they were locked into a long term deal with Wentz. 

I'm pretty sure that was the point I was making... We did the right thing in trading him. 

14 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I wouldn't necessarily say it looks worse now. Wentz was not the answer. He's done ok in Indy but he's not a franchise QB. We got out of that contract (OK albeit the big hit) and we got a first and a third round pick. 

And unless we get a Franchise QB, we now dont have one. And you either have one or you dont, we dont have one, and I cant see one on the horizon. 

11 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

And unless we get a Franchise QB, we now dont have one. And you either have one or you dont, we dont have one, and I cant see one on the horizon. 

And the answer is not Wilson and I think Watson would be too expensive. 

17 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

And unless we get a Franchise QB, we now dont have one. And you either have one or you dont, we dont have one, and I cant see one on the horizon. 

I think the 2023 draft is the Eagles best chance to get one. They should move a pick or two into that draft from 2022 to position themselves to get one then.

14 hours ago, Hawkeye said:

Hurts wasn't drafted to come in and start. He was taken high because the Eagles thought he was a promising prospect and they could develop him over time through The Quarterback Factory. 

which was stupid, especially considering all the more pressing needs the team had at the time. 

 

wentz may not be a top 5 qb in the league but he is so much better than hurts. unless the eagles get a franchise qb out of this whole deal and make the team better elsewhere, drafting hurts could be the worst 2nd round pick ever for the team. 

37 minutes ago, PoconoDon said:

I think the 2023 draft is the Eagles best chance to get one. They should move a pick or two into that draft from 2022 to position themselves to get one then.

I agree with you there. I'd be going all in on Stroud at this point but hey we shall see. 

19 hours ago, LacesOut said:

I have no thoughts on Carson.

Colts have one heck of a Running Back though. 

 

 

I thought about this a little more, I bet Wentz is thrilled that he no longer has to play "hero ball" like a lot of his haters accused him of. It's like "I'll just hand it off". 

3 minutes ago, greend said:

I thought about this a little more, I bet Wentz is thrilled that he no longer has to play "hero ball" like a lot of his haters accused him of. It's like "I'll just hand it off". 

wentz is just the lazy target for some to push their angst towards because he is no longer here and they can turn blinders to the real issue that's still here. 

 

wentz absolutely became part of the problem, but he didn't create it. 

1 minute ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

wentz is just the lazy target for some to push their angst towards because he is no longer here and they can turn blinders to the real issue that's still here. 

 

wentz absolutely became part of the problem, but he didn't create it. 

Well said, I also think that Wentz injury took just a little something away from him. He absolutely is not the same player he was during our glorious super bowl run.

1 hour ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

And the answer is not Wilson and I think Watson would be too expensive. 

When you dont have one- you basically dont have a shot at winning it all. So.... 

1 hour ago, PoconoDon said:

I think the 2023 draft is the Eagles best chance to get one. They should move a pick or two into that draft from 2022 to position themselves to get one then.

I am ok with this, IF we cannot get Rodgers, Wilson or Watson.  It's not my ideal, because if we wait till 2023 draft, there is no gaurantee we can get into position to draft a really good QB prospect and even less chances the one we draft will turn out. This is why I favor trading for a known commodity. 

23 minutes ago, greend said:

Well said, I also think that Wentz injury took just a little something away from him. He absolutely is not the same player he was during our glorious super bowl run.

very true. the mobility he had is pretty much gone. 

as far as trying to find a qb, i dont agree with trading away the 1st round picks for watson or wilson. maybe rogers, but the team needs so much more than just a qb. 

 

plus, who says any of them would agree to a trade here ? 

1 hour ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

which was stupid, especially considering all the more pressing needs the team had at the time. 

 

wentz may not be a top 5 qb in the league but he is so much better than hurts. unless the eagles get a franchise qb out of this whole deal and make the team better elsewhere, drafting hurts could be the worst 2nd round pick ever for the team. 

Hyperbole much?  Worst ever??   Worse than Arcega-Whiteside?  Sidney Jones?  Come on. 

Wentz is mentally and physically deficient.  Indy is winning despite him, not because of him.  The Eagles are clearly better off without him (which is why they are without him). Addition by subtraction. 

9 minutes ago, Hawkeye said:

Hyperbole much?  Worst ever??   Worse than Arcega-Whiteside?  Sidney Jones?  Come on. 

Wentz is mentally and physically deficient.  Indy is winning despite him, not because of him.  The Eagles are clearly better off without him (which is why they are without him). Addition by subtraction. 

hyperboling  ?  lmao, settle down sparky. obviously there are other horrible picks, so it seems weird you don't get how the word "could" opens up the discussion ? FFS you ever bolded the word and still came at me with that nonsense. 

obviously you dont like wentz which is fine, but stop acting like "he" was the only issue. the biggest issue is still here and IMO, no the team is not better off right now. again, unless the team finds better, this whole thing has been a failure caused by the front office. 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, greend said:

I thought about this a little more, I bet Wentz is thrilled that he no longer has to play "hero ball" like a lot of his haters accused him of. It's like "I'll just hand it off". 

And at nearly 30 mil a year too! Yeah glad he’s gone. 

54 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

When you dont have one- you basically dont have a shot at winning it all. So.... 

And with the rest of the roster we wouldn't have a shot with one.